Wait for it you wont be disappointed, do not buy the N/A $17k FRS/BRZ essentially that's what it'll be once you drive it off. The car is not going to hold value because there is little mechanical value in it, only perceived value if you know what I mean. If you are OK with ~200whp then that car is for you. If you are used to 300+whp cars or ~11.0 power to weight like me then it's not.

STI variant will cost at least $500+/month with nothing down depending on credit and term, that's another thing to consider.

So PAI, what I'm getting from your posts is that your sources are telling you that there will be a "true" STi version released shortly after the standard model?

+1. Buy the Subaru & switch the front end with parts from Toyota (if all the nuts & bolts are in the same place), I doubt you could do it the other way round (modify the Toyota rear end to that of Subaru).

My original point was that the 2,500lbs specified in this article is for the Subaru version of the Scion/Toyota, which we know the weights for (Obviously Motor Trend didn't when the article was written). It wasn't for an STI version, nor any performance version, just a basic BRZ that according to Subaru/Toyota hints will be the same car as the FR-S minus front/rear bumpers, badging and interior trims. I wasn't argueing that you CAN'T lose 200lbs from the car.

Aluminum parts can reduce weight, pretty nicely too, but we don't know what they'll do with an STI version so all we can go by is what they've done in the past, which has increased weight...

You can absolutely drop several hundred lbs from these cars, that's not really a question, but can you do it while making the car an STI? That I'm not so sure about. Adding a turbo will add weight. A bigger engine will add weight. Bigger brakes add weight (a trade off I'm perfectly willing to take generally) but calipers (AL instead of steel) can offset some of that, etc. You can switch to AL doors, AL trunk lid, AL roof skin, AL suspension arms, etc and you'll save some weight, but it won't be a ton. Other than that I only see them increasing weight by adding stuff to the car.

100lbs in wheels? Christ, what wheels are you used to? I'd guess at the stock wheels weight around 17-18lbs, but lets go with 20lbs. To lose 100lbs the new wheels would have to be lighter than air...

so this is the same car that C&D drove, an automatic, and probably took place in the states. having said that, everything they say is all speculation. we now have hard numbers from the brochures. less than 2500 lbs is a wet dream, not reality. the same with the 170 ft lbs of torque, etc.

The things that really sucks is that the wheel bulges just aren't there on the production car as they are on this awesome looking concept. Perhaps the STI will incorporate such features. Would really up the level of aggression in the design of the production car, especially next to a 370Z with its bulging flairs.

Food for thought: STi never needed to worry about weight, STi's (the car) were already tubby. The few times when STi had to make a car lighter, the RA-spec, they did a very good job at it. I think if tasked with making the car lighter, they will be able to. They just have never really had to.

Stu

SEDAN version!?!?! Thats a thought and a half...

They admit the BRZ structure has been engineered from the get-go to allow for a convertible version, so you can bet we'll see a softtop model within the next few years. And, most intriguing of all, they say the platform is flexible enough to allow for a significant wheelbase stretch. A BRZ-based four-door sport sedan? Now that's an interesting idea...

this jumped out at me. no wonder it's heavier than expected... its like a S2000 coupe...

I cant read anymore my heads starting to hert!!

9-10 people have some good to say or ask, I want to read it all but ill be here all day :laughabove:

Concept cars body wise are allways beter than producton model in my option but performance tends to just keep going up from there on so I see a nice STI verson to come out later on, something I might just wait for, I can still beat the crap out of my j-body for a little longer hehe:bonk:

lol only 3 pages man what do you do when we get leaks and a thread explodes into 12+ pages

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Target production of 3000? That's only about eight per dealer in the US. That works out to about one per month per dealer. Less if the 3000 number is for worldwide sales.

Faster? We already know there won't be a FI model even from Subaru at the get-go. So, $31k for what? I'm asking the same question.

It seems like that $31k will be for pretty much everything you'd be able to dealer option onto its -twin- car, the FR-S.

When I say "do myself" I don't mean engine mods to make it as fast as the STi (it'll be the same damn engine with the same damn output), I meant options offered via brochure and end up with a car I want, at the price I want, instead of having to spend an arm and a leg for an entire package deal (STi).

Hell, an STi version hasn't even been confirmed. Its just speculation.