Not bad for a 200 hp car in a high speed track.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PZE-L_jNQ"]Toyota GT 86 Nürburgring Nordschleife Onboard 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

regardless of the the lap time that video looked way quick enough for me.

Nice wobble at 6.30...:bow:

I had a long reply and realized I was getting too wordy. To put it simply:

This car is not holy or sacred, neither is the tire choice. The stock tires are perfect for what the car was sold as, but inappropriate for any sort of performance driving. Tires, in general, are the easiest and most important way to tune your car; even the most un-handy owner can swap on a set of track tires. So saying a car will do better with better tires in a performance environment is perfectly appropriate. It's not fanboy-ism, it's step #1.

Subtact the straigtaways and you have a car that beats many many others. Add the straightaways and you get beaten by high powered SUVs among others.

Also, drifting around corners doesnt necessarily get you the fastest lap times. It is fun as hell and it does allow you to approach corners a lot more agressively. I watched a bunch of Initial D anime last night so now I get the "drift".

I think to sum up this car, it allows you to have fun without fear of what happens when you reach the friction limit. Many other cars might have higher limits (tires can change that), but few cars are so predictable and stable beyond.

Nordschleife is irrelevant unless you set the car up specifically for that course. The claim to fame is that it's used for benchmark times on super cars with super power. I am sure the chassis itself could preform very well numbers wise with some modification to the friction devices at all 4 corners and more agressive springs/dampers. For the straightaway, either remove them or you need more power to compare times to the big boys.

My only concern with adding more power is that it has to be in a form that can be modulated similarly to stock to maintain the drift control. Makes me think more about adding in a S/C.

I destroy these times in gt5 and the times are pretty much spot on with other cars.. i think this car can do 8:40 bone stock if the driver has the guts to push it

Im guessing you meant 8:40?

Looks like ill have to blow the dust off my PS3 and logitech steering wheel today and see what I can do :burnrubber:

My personal record is 8:32.. stock car with oil change and that s it

Having read the article (thank you, German upbringing), the laptime is less interesting than the rest of the piece.

Essentially (for those who aren't German speaking), the piece talks about the different corners, the stability and the fun on the Nürburgring more than the laptime. The Laptime is disregarded as "Not representative, thanks to mixed conditions" and concluded with a tone along the lines of "Well, we don't care, let's go again"...


That's kinda what this car was built for. Anyone expecting a GT racer's speed should rather buy hot-hatch... :P

you got that backwards. Cars with more power are scarier to drive. Light weight cars are very easy, especially this car being so noob friendly.

Why the convertible??? I'd say a Gran Sport is fast on any track, not just the Ring. ;)

To all those who think the GT86 would be easy to drive at the 'ring:

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/06/toy...s-painful.html

Never undestimate how much someone can noob it up ;)

Convertible? Any LS7 powered Vette is a "427" that's the C.I. of the motor. The Grand Sport is LS3 powered.