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To buy or not to buy BRZ??

Don't buy if you gotta ask I think? What do you think about Miatas? If your answer is no then you should look @ something else..

Lots ppl say twins needs more mid range torque but the fact is if you get rid of midrange dip... That is just more boring in day to day driving.... Cuz it's less dramatic.. Lol to put in words...

But if mesh paddle & overtake instantly without downshifting is your thing then ya you probably want that...

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[quote=Jen;2731557]

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 2731482)

Yeah sure... 3,444 lb (1,562 kg) for Z51. Good luck with the handling. ;)

You are questioning the handling of a 460 hp 3298 lb iconic sports car? Few hundred lbs more than a BRZ and more than double the hp. Come on. I love the BRZ and it's one of my favorite cars, but I also know what is reasonable.

If it weights 3,298 lbs, then it is a bit better. However, it is still a big difference. I am not questioning Corvette specifically, but all the modern cars that pretend to be sports cars and they are so heavy. Whatever is heavier or close to the the 3,300 lbs limit is heavy for me. You can also check the track width of the car and you'll not find a great difference. I am not saying that it is not much faster, but it is because of the raw power. Not because of the handling. Of course, many people can't get rid the ego thing and want something that wins street races. If you think the latter is important, then yes the BRZ is not for you.

[quote=Jen;2731557]

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Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 2731482)

More hp doesnt mean better handling. Everyone here knows the BRZ handles better than a Corvette. it's not even a question. Can a vette pull out of a corner faster than a BRZ? yes...but that doesnt mean its better at handling

This guy is selling his WRX STI. May help you decide.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtry6Cn8pEA"]Why I'm Selling My Subaru WRX STI - YouTube[/ame]

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Originally Posted by WRX2016 (Post 2727620)

YO guys,

Good to jump in the general section to get some opinions off of the people, the customers, the drivers them selves about the BRZ...

I got a Subaru Impreza for sale at a great price 1 year ago Standard blue color, standard Subaru rims, 2.5L straight 4 engine runs like a dream, handles like a go-kart!! love driving the motor daily it is one of my hobby's but i am looking into upgrading to the 2014 BRZ what is everyone's thoughts on this??

Does the BRZ....

Feel as good driving as the WRX
Handle like a beast like the WRX
How is the maintenance of the BRZ

Give me as much information as possible all of your experiences all of your thoughts and insight on upgrading and maybe even some pictures of your BRZ's would be greatly appreciated

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...y-2_600x0w.jpg

Thanks :cheers:

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Originally Posted by Xxyion (Post 2732061)

Yes, I am with you. Somehow the quote of Jen was mixed with my reply mentioning that the vette car is too heavy.

[quote=Ernest72;2731874]

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2731557)

I would normally agree, but you need to be able to put the power down. Let's be honest for a DD a 460 HP vette will use very little of its power without doubling speed limits. Can't even use all the power of my stage 2 WRX as a DD.

So on a track, yeah vette, but as a DD the BRZ is very good and balanced. Yes it could use some more low and mid end torque.

If you like that push of V8 torque or the push of a turbo than you might miss it in the BRZ. But what makes a car great is how it feels and not the raw numbers. My WRX just feels great, but for some reason the BRZ feels better, especially in the twisties. Maybe because I grew up on RWD and that what I like best about my WRX was the suspension mods that made it ride on rails. The BRZ has me thinking I need to do some more mods to the WRX. I drive them every other day so it's easy to feel it.

You can use a lot of the power of the vette. I had my husband flipping out on me in the passenger seat giving it 3/10 of what it could do. It's a "sit down, shut up, hold on," kind of car. I'm not using it as a daily driver, though, it does have more than double the trunk space of a BRZ, so you could put stuff in it. The WRX is the daily driver. The BRZ feels like a sports car more than the WRX since you sit in the car and its so low to the ground. The WRX handles incredibly well, but in a different way. If you live up North, the awd is helpful.

Realistically, you can buy three BRZ's for the price of the vette, so they aren't in any competition. Since I can swing it, I'm going for the closest thing to a Ferrari I can afford.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...allwheel-gauge

That's the kind of comparison you get- Ferrari F12 vs Porsche 911 vs Corvette (not even a 650 hp Z06, but base). The BRZ goes head to head against Miatas.

As the OP asked though, right now I would have to argue for the WRX as the best package Subaru is offering.

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Originally Posted by Xxyion (Post 2732061)

If you are saying this without having driven a C7 vette then I would question the validity. The magnetic ride suspension is out of this world sick. Ferrari has the rights from GM to use it.

You might have a hard time getting a test drive with a vette, but go test drive a Camaro SS with the performance exhaust and magnetic ride and see how fast you change your mind. GM has something.

I'm not here to bash BRZs. I love the car. So please do keep that in mind!!

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2733001)

I did a small research on the magnetic ride thing ...

http://i64.tinypic.com/6xzwqv.jpg

Audi TT is known that they lost twice in the Nurbürgring 24h race against Subaru. So, either they were not using magnetic ride or this technology is still inferior.

Besides, I trust the Japanese and the Germans (i.e., Bilstein suspenion) more than the Chinese. Their technology is still not on par. Have fun with your magneto car ... :lol:

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 2733001)

I Havnt test drove the Corvette but i did test drive that exact Camaro setup before i decided to buy the BRZ. Why that exact setup? I told the dealer what i wanted in a car and he was 100% convinced i would sign the papers right then and there after driving that setup.

He was wrong. I'm not saying it wasnt great. It's actually WAY better than i expected especially from a GM car. However (and this is the problem i have with most american muscle), the cars are generally very top heavy and/or long. That creates a weird tension feeling in the middle of the car when cornering. Sure the car is planted and the suspension makes you feel like you are taking a 40 mph turn like you are only driving at 15 mph. But theres this very weird strain i can feel right behind me. Almost as if something is about to tear/break loose at any second.

I dont get that feeling when i drive my BRZ. The car as a whole feels tighter. I feel more confident in turns. I was able to take a similar (i say similar because i test drove these cars in different areas) turn at the same if not faster speed. Is that partially the confidence? Probably. But that confidence wouldnt be there had Subaru not done such an amazing job with the suspension.

On a side note. What year 86 did you own? According to my mechanic, the new 2016 BRZ actually came with upgraded suspension that actually rivals some aftermarket coilovers. So it's possible my BRZ just handles a lot better than your's did. And that could be the discrepancy there.

P.S. I'm actually really enjoying this conversation so anyone who thinks we are bickering....we arent =D