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-   -   Here's a little Scion Concept Car teaser video! (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1138)

BanningFT 04-14-2011 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 33790)
Great in what aspect? I don't like the xB just as much as I don't like the Kia Soul, the Nissan Cube and Honda Element! They are ugly cars w/0 appeal. They are underpowered for a reason; to get good gas mileage.

You can't really respect a car that looks horrific!
Yeah tell that to AE86 drivers. Great cars, that the average unenlighted person think look like methed out piles of 80's sheet metal.

While I'm not comparing an 86 to a ff xb, I love my wifes xB. So ugly it's cute, zippy enough for freeway driving, handles well and has been sending 41mpg our way. Also it hauls everything.

Can we wait to test drive this car?? Fanboys are fanboys.

It was a struggle to switch from a Tacoma to a Frontier (How dare I leave Toyota after our long history together), but after I did I realized the Frontier was better in many ways. An Infiniti G is a JDM Skyline, A Lexus ES is a glorified Camry.
Come on people.

Drive the dang car first, then come to a conclusion. Saying, "I WILL NEVER DRIVE A SCION", just shows ignorance and likely a lack of vehicle experience.


A: "I hate sushi."
B: "Have you ever had sushi?
A: "No, but it's gross."
B: *walks away* *Enjoys sushi* :party0030:

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 34008)
yeah i ignored that because in japan subaru is more known for quality build than toyota is. regardless that's not even a good point because even though there are disadvantages, there are still some serious advantages to the boxer that make even some toyota guys willing to overlook the subaru badge. what are the engineering advantages to having to be a scion?



scion has an image of not keeping it real. and purists hate that. why is that so hard to understand?
Well said! :respekt:

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 34018)
can you show me where you found out those details??? (directed at tranzformer)
Which details? The Subaru VIP program is no secret. On current models the discount is ~$1300-3300. That is no secret either. Just depends on the car model. No idea about the discount for the 216a but it will fall in there somewhere.

cyde01 04-14-2011 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 34019)
You didn't see the message in my original post. It was about the "purist" claims more than anything else. Just saying, don't fake the funk. It's about the image, not about the Purity of being a Toyota.
manufacturers paying shops lots of money to make a rwd version of an FF for drift competition is faking the funk. :iono:

Dragonitti 04-14-2011 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 34020)
This makes no sense at all. The new FT-86 is suppose to be the new Hachi-Roku. The new incarnation if you so will for the 21st century. If you wanted Toyota purity in the equipment sense you would expect a car based on 80s technology, same as the original. This new incarnation is still true to the Toyota purity. That purity is not in the physical sense per-say. But in the thought process behind the design and creation of the car. Toyota is building this car to be reasonable priced, nimble, well handling, balanced, fun to drive...etc. However they are not putting themselves in a box inregards to how they can or can not accomplish that. Luckily Toyota saw that FHI had something that could very well make the new FT-86 that much better. I'm not sure why you write off the boxer engine. It has many benefits over any of the 4 cylinder engines Toyota would have put in themselves. The combination of Toyota, FHI and Yamaha is a great combination of great minds combining their strengths to create something different.

Toyota's purity is in the design and thought process behind the car. Not what engine it came with. Luckily they are willing to think outside the box to create something great.

Sorry, I don't buy that. Half Purity? Really?




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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 34020)
If it is NA (as it probably will be) I want it to be high compression. Give me that 14:1 please.

I'll pass. I don't like Honda's for that reason (all high rev no torque). I'll take a bump down on the rev band in exchange for a larger bump in torque. But this isn't the engine thread and there is one for that, so I'll digress from the subject.


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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 34026)
manufacturers paying shops lots of money to make a rwd version of an FF for drift competition is faking the funk. :iono:

I only crack up laughing when people use two out of the 10 or so examples of Scion motorsports, to formulate their opinion. tC is an AWD chassis chief, thus legal for FD. That is a fact. People don't seem to like to many facts around here, rather just a collective pool of opinions that are largely unfounded.

NESW20 04-14-2011 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 34025)
Which details? The Subaru VIP program is no secret. On current models the discount is ~$1300-3300. That is no secret either. Just depends on the car model. No idea about the discount for the 216a but it will fall in there somewhere.
with a quick look through Subaru's website, i didn't find anything about the details that you mentioned. specifically the automatic $1300 off msrp.

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:34 PM
So what will the FT-86 provide in the Scion lineup that the tC doesn't already provide? tC starts off at like $19k (most expensive model), the 86 will start off at around $25k. The xD and xB start off at ~$16k (the three Scion models average out to $17k starting). So Scion is going to introduce a new car that will cost over 30% more than their next closest model? The new 86 (at $25k) will cost 50% more than the average cost of their other 3 models ($17k). Scion is suppose to be budget minded towards the 10-15 year olds? Right? $25k doesn't sound budget minded to me (in Scion's current pricing). You have a high school kid or someone straight out of college. Looking for a new car. Deciding between the tC and 86. Knows nothing about car handling or FR. You think they will spend $6k more for a 86?

Hell the tC is already a 2 door "sports" car for those budget minded. Just send this to Toyota already since they don't have anything in their lineup that the 86 would compete for sales with.

cyde01 04-14-2011 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 34027)
I only crack up laughing when people use two out of the 10 or so examples of Scion motorsports, to formulate their opinion. tC is an AWD chassis chief, thus legal for FD.
lol ok so faking the funk 2 out of 10 times is permissible?

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 34030)
with a quick look through Subaru's website, i didn't find anything about the details that you mentioned. specifically the automatic $1300 off msrp.
A little bit of google goes a long way: click here



Edit: Looks like zigzag found a specific reference from one of the programs. So you should be good to go now.

http://www.lnt.org/programs/subaruVIP.php

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 34032)
lol ok so faking the funk 2 out of 10 times is permissible?
Only if you are a Scion lover/owner. But the same standard isn't be used by him since Toyota is using a Subaru engine. :bonk::bonk::bonk::bonk::bonk::bonk:

Dragonitti 04-14-2011 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 34031)
So what will the FT-86 provide in the Scion lineup that the tC doesn't already provide? tC starts off at like $19k (most expensive model), the 86 will start off at around $25k. The xD and xB start off at ~$16k (the three Scion models average out to $17k starting). So Scion is going to introduce a new car that will cost over 30% more than their next closest model? The new 86 (at $25k) will cost 50% more than the average cost of their other 3 models ($17k). Scion is suppose to be budget minded towards the 10-15 year olds? Right? $25k doesn't sound budget minded to me (in Scion's current pricing). You have a high school kid or someone straight out of college. Looking for a new car. Deciding between the tC and 86. Knows nothing about car handling or FR. You think they will spend $6k more for a 86?

Hell the tC is already a 2 door "sports" car for those budget minded. Just send this to Toyota already since they don't have anything in their lineup that the 86 would compete for sales with.

That's just it though. The "budget minded college kids" are the lower % of their buyers. The average Scion owner is 30+ yrs old.



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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 34032)
lol ok so faking the funk 2 out of 10 times is permissible?

Are you saying the chassis is fake? Not getting where you are coming from. And we differ in that I don't formulate my opinion on something, based on the smallest portion of it, just so I can feel better about my opinion of it.

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 34035)
That's just it though. The "budget minded college kids" are the lower % of their buyers. The average Scion owner is 30+ yrs old.
And yet a reason Scion has been doing so poorly is everyone has been running away from them to other manufacturers.




So with it being a Scion it is just a matter of time before we start getting riced out 86s huh? Seems like Honda and Scions tend to be more at risk for this unfortunate disaster of being "riced out" with crazy rear wings and front splitters.

Exhibit A:

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f...oving_shot.jpg

Exhibit B:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kD9ET_VjSZ...g-scion-tc.jpg


Just image what will happen to the 86. My heart cries inside thinking about it.

Giccin 04-14-2011 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 34036)
And yet a reason Scion has been doing so poorly is everyone has been running away from them to other manufacturers.




So with it being a Scion it is just a matter of time before we start getting riced out 86s huh? Seems like Honda and Scions tend to be more at risk for this unfortunate disaster of being "riced out" with crazy rear wings and front splitters.

Exhibit A:

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f...oving_shot.jpg

Exhibit B:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kD9ET_VjSZ...g-scion-tc.jpg


Just image what will happen to the 86. My heart cries inside thinking about it.

I'm going to put cherry blossoms on mine! LOL :happyanim:only at the rear. :>

tranzformer 04-14-2011 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti (Post 34035)
That's just it though. The "budget minded college kids" are the lower % of their buyers. The average Scion owner is 30+ yrs old.
From Scion's high of ~15-19k cars a month now down to barely 3,000 cars a month, you really think a FT-86 will get people to come back to Scion? I doubt the 86, no matter how great it will be, will turn Scion around. If I'm in my mid-30s to early 40s with 2 solid household incomes ($90-120k combined) I'm looking at a totally different car than a Scion/86. No offense.


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