If you want drive fast, wake up 4:00am. And dont spill any drop of the cup or you will ruin the tofu

I'm surprised you've experienced so much traffic. Knowing the right time to drive has always saved me from such troubles. Maybe 1 in 5 freeway drives I'll experience slow 10 mph traffic.

well...I am not aware of that >.<

well....the down side for me is hard to find a empty space or parking lot to do donuts...

well..for me,,it is safer to accelerate uphill with throttle because dont have to much power. And I can keep up the with the speed. But downhill is danger if going fast.

Here is the mountain i often go,
https://web.stanford.edu/group/cycli...ials/9E_ae.JPG

its call highway 9,, and almost every car guy in my area knew about this place.

I'm very jealous of people with mountains nearby. I heard there are some seriously awesome mountain roads in Hong Kong and Japan (Hakone). Imagine being able to go on drives on the curviest roads every night. Heaven!

I can totally relate to that.

Living in British Columbia there aren't very many mountain roads that are good for driving on, but in California there are some great ones that I wish were closer. :(

Come down to WA. There are awesome roads here and its a bit closer.

Yeah, it ain't no joke driving from south western Ontario to Manitoba. I've done that drive 8 times in the past year and it sucks.

Especially the stretch between Thunder Bay and Sault Ste. Marie. Limited cell service and very little traffic. Not a good combination if anything should go awry.

Oh, ..... I found this one near Revelstoke kind of fun ...... :thumbsup:


humfrz

I want to get to the east coast with the car some time.


http://www.paradisefoundbb.com/cabottrail1.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...8d21b28f16.jpg

That's pretty awesome but....7 hours away from me lol.

Really? Anything pretty close to the border?

This one is only about 20 miles from the Canadian border......:D

I'm sure that ol @soulreapersteve has driven up Mt Baker way more than once .... ;)


https://youtu.be/JcuvcvZpSNY



humfrz

Actually quite an interesting thread. Over the years I've read many posts on our forum where people kept complaining about their car feeling slow and that anything from a kid on a pushbike with training wheels (I might have slightly exaggerated) to Prius and Camry's out accelerating or passing them on freeway's.

Over the past year of ownership I've never really had that issue, but then the speed limits I live around are (compared to the US) comparatively quite low being mostly 50 and 60kph zones. As a result I generally puttered around in 2nd and 3rd gear and I never understood why people thought the car was slow and underpowered until I took it on a stretch of freeway and found, when I tried accelerating from say 80kph up, the car was really struggling >.<

Going off the OP's comment, I honestly never really viewed the lower speed limits as being much of a problem as our car rides so low and (as mentioned) the complete lack of sound deadening seems to amplify the sense of speed.

We also have a Nissan Maxima 3.5L in the family. That car is so insulated, with a strong engine and smooth CVT that you easily end up speeding if you purely rely on just the sense of speed. I think that's kinda the problem now as people have more powerful and refined cars these days, that the sense of road speed is so far higher up the speed limits that they just feel like the car is numb unless doing stupid speeds while driving.

TL;DR version... being a 10/10ths car, its fine in any speed zones due to having higher accessible performance at lower actual road speed.

You can also try North Cascades highway. Beautiful road in the summer.

There might be some listed in your neck of the woods.

http://www.motorcycleroads.com/Route...ngton_123.html

Alright, thanks guys. :)

Y'all need a Prius. Foot to the floor for a good 5 seconds and you are barely if not under the speed limit. Then you go to the pumps and scratch your head while you've been driving like a complete asshole and only pay about $25-30 for half a tank of gas...

But in seriousness, I'd rather have a low horsepower car with which I can shift gears without getting into big trouble.

I think this kinda covers just about any car these days.

It really comes down to the speed zones around your daily commute, degree of traffic and where you live in the world. If you have relaxed law enforcement and generally liberal speed zones then a high powered car might make more sense, but reality is most people only encounter some of those conditions (if any) and that's when lighter and smaller cars are possibly more fun.

My own decision around buying a twin was the old saying that its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow and in the part of the world I live in with anal law enforcement and low speed zones a twin, Miata or any of the small hatchback turbo terrors seem like a much better fit than a big V8 monster (been there done that got the shirt).

Admit it, guys. It may not be a rocket but it sure as hell ain't slow. It's a mischievous little fucker; always goading me.

Have to agree, has more than enough power to get you in trouble.

As someone who drives a whole bunch of fleet cars. This car is not a slow one in the grand scheme of things on public roads. For a 2-door coupe built today, fine its on the low end as far as power where only basic coupes like Civics and Fortes are slower while being on par with Civic Si or the Camaro V6 convertible and slightly slower than today's MX-5, V6 Mustang, etc. Throw in your normal stuff like 4-cylinder CUVs, most minivans, regular family sedans and this car is no longer slow.

If you truly want to experience the realm of the very slow cars you're going to have to pick stuff that makes our cars seem like it has a supercar. This would be things like the Dodge Magnum 2.7L V6, yes this V6 is too weak for its application and not helping is the Magnum's heavy weight making it somewhere in the 12 second range as far as 0-60. VW Jetta with the seriously out of date 8V 2.0L, that too is as slow as that Magnum. As for the slowest thing made today...Mitsubishi Mirage, another 12 second car...although I think this feels even slower than the weak Jetta or Magnum, although it could be that 3-cylinder making it seem like its about to explode.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...50/771/7ac.jpg



To add to this list take a base model Charger for a run if you want to make you FRS seem like a rocket.

Felt the same way as the OP when I first took delivery of my BRZ in late 2012. The speed limit was 40 mph from the dealership to my home. Remember thinking what a waste to have such a great car with lower speed limits.


On the east coast of the US we do get higher limits up to 70 mph but that is on the interstate with straight roads. Again, thinking what's the point!


My dream is to take my BRZ to Route one in northern California and have a day of it!

Gotta learn to drive and carry speed through corners. If they have them in you area I highly reccomend trying out autox its what this car is made for

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Come on out!

Don't limit yourself to N CA.

Chart a course on Route 1 (sometimes 101) from San Francisco to Seattle.

I'll betcha after the first day and a half, you will be looking to cut over to I-5, just so you won't have to be twisting the steering wheel any more ..... :)


humfrz

Coming from a CRZ, this car has too much power for my commute. I used to be able to hit 5-6k rpm on the Z whenever I wanted... Now in the FRS, I'm lucky to hit the torque dip before I'm restricted by speed limits or traffic. I already know I can take 90 deg turns in dry conditions above 35mph without scrubbing, whereas it was under 25mph in the Z. Only problem with that is I could be 300ft behind the next car going into a turn, and they still slow down to less than 20mph... In those instances I just hammer it after the apex and pick whichever lane they didn't. Then again, you have the people who don't feel obligated to pick a lane and just drive down the middle before eventually picking one... I have very little patience for people who don't take driving seriously, but that's another thread I'll start someday.

I am still amazed at how many people have said the car has "too much power," or the general concept that the car isn't underpowered.


Or comparing this car to vehicles like crossovers and prius'.... ffs when we do that you know the thing is slow.

Hey Sum, can't you just let the guys that are happy with the power be happy with the power?
We know some think it is "slow" or "underpowered" but do not all believe that and constantly being told that were are wrong because of that opinion is insulting.
You said yourself in your opening statement that there are plenty of us.
You want faster/more power that is cool, but that does not make it "slow" to everybody and their driving wants and needs.

As a DD, it isn't underpowered. As a track car, it is. The thread is about power and speed limits. If you're on a track trying to rein in a GT, then that 6 seconds you're losing on the straight would lend to the criticism that it's underpowered... The 1-2 seconds you lose to a GT getting up to speed if you both decided to go WOT on green mean very little in real world driving.

That actually wasn't a dig or meant as an insult. People are comparing this car to prius' and crossovers..... that's effing insulting.


I am a little jaded. I see people barely able to control this car with "200" HP and wrecking daily, yet saying they are "overpowered" at the same time. It is just a freaking odd community.

The problem arises that in this day people look at the HP numbers put out by other cars and judge based on them. It has come to be expected by some that if a family sedan has 300HP then a sports car should as well. I am with you and have never once felt a need for more power.

Oh I hope you didn't read my response as angry. Just pointing it out.


Yes it sure is a weird community. Guys yell for more HP (not just you) but then when a guy with high HP spins out and wrecks he get's ragged on for having high HP.


Nobody can win I guess.

That's it!

Its like nobody wins no matter what you do with this car. Its definitely not the best car for everything, but it is really good at a lot of things.


I have kind of cut back on my rhetoric and I'll bring up HP again when I actually do something about it and make a thread.

One of my uncles had hardwired a detector into his dash. On a trip through Ontario, he got pulled over and the cop knew he had a detector even though it was not visible. My uncle was told that he had to remove the unit IMMEDIATELY. As in the cop pulled a tool set from his squad car and told him to start pulling the dash apart.....

The cop probably had a VG-2 Interceptor which not only tells speed but detects radar detectors (A radar detector detector if you will) most modern detection systems can't be detected by that anymore. If he had a hardwired beltronics sti or a later gen escort passport it wouldn't have happened.

Partly an age thing. In my younger years ... I was always looking for a better paying job. A bigger house. A bigger boat. Faster, more powerful and interesting cars, etc. etc. I wanted more .. More .. More.

Now that I'm older and wiser... Well ...........shit. I still want more. I haven't learned a damn thing. :mad0259:

Hmm, interesting. This was 2006ish, so that was probably the case. Don't have a detector myself yet, but probably should with the crazy state troopers here in MI.

I'll throw in my 2 cents on the whole topic here. Same as Tcoat I'm here in Ontario where all the highways are 100KPH and most roads are 60KPH. Driving the FRS on the road, there's plenty of power there and usually I've hit the speed limit in the city by the end of 2nd gear. So usually I don't waste my time speeding, since it doesn't really save that much time (only saved 20-30 mins on a 4 hour drive from Toronto to Ottawa) and just have fun with some good off the line acceleration. Especially on-ramps. Same thing really goes for the highway, I just set the cruise control at 114KPH where cops won't bother me and just have fun getting onto and off of the road. :burnrubber:

That said, I feel like after taking this car to local road courses and autocross events, my thirst for speed and hard driving is satisfied sufficiently. Setup properly, I've seen an FRS beating most other cars at Calabogie (Ottawa) just because they carry so much corner speed; with nothing more than ~235HP from E85 and a tune for power. So underpowered at a track? Sure why not, but the feeling that you're slow is subjective on where and how's it's driven.

TLDR: Plenty of power for public roads. Speeding not worth the time saved, just enjoy the acceleration. Go to a track or course and have fun with no limits there. Fun being the operative, who cares about more power till you need it?

Just don't visit Virginia, radar detectors illegal here ;-)


With its insane speeding laws, Virginia may be not the best place to visit in a twin anyway.

I do love Virginia though, great place to visit! Ohio is another bad one that I despise driving through.