Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   BRZ First-Gen (2012+) — General Topics (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23)
-   -   Second Generation FT86 Confirmed (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97124)

DAEMANO 11-03-2015 05:24 PM
IMO Refresh of current chassis happens in 2017 for Europe and Asia and in 2018 as a 2019 model for North America.

Roughly the same time (2018-2019 global launch) the S-FR is introduced.

The all new 86 chassis we wont see until 4 years after that. Where it gains power but no weight due to Electric Supercharging and improved materials. It will have more GT like road manners (improved damping, more sound insulation, upgraded interior HVAC/Entertainment electronics). This will raise the base price to ~$31k. A N/A model will also be offered at $28k

Source, also my ass.

EAGLE5 11-03-2015 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2440787)
I agree.

But the original 240Z is one glaring example of not getting better with future models.
Didn't they have fish oil in their shocks? My dad had a 280Z. I guess I'm like him because I have an FR-S, pretty much a perfect spiritual successor.

Justin.b 11-03-2015 05:34 PM
These are all niche cars. People willing to sacrifice fuel economy and practicality for performance make up a very small segment of the market. If you total the Z, WRX, Miata, GTI, FRS and BRZ numbers you don't even get a year's Honda Civic sales - and the WRX and GTI don't even sacrifice practicality. They just cost a little more and get worse fuel economy.

-Justin

strat61caster 11-03-2015 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 2440814)
The old RX-7 is a fun car, but it just doesn't get the love. Why is that?

Not much love for the first or second-gen Integra. Why is that?

Not much love for any gen of Supra but gen 4. Again, why?

Looks are possibly the biggest reason. All the early gens of those cars look... old. Including your favorite Supra. The MkIVPoopra, FD, 300ZX, and DC4 all have hot, modern-looking bodies.
Maybe it was a mistake to post the FB, but the FC gets tons of love, every conversation I have about 7's with people that have owned and worked on them has the statement "No you don't want an FD, get an FC".

Yup, third gen was a gem on the Integra, fourth wasn't as good and is a great example that cars aren't always better on the new generation.

Supra? Fast and the Furious and 1,000 horsepower 2JZ's.

You're right, how could I forget the most important quality of sports cars, how they look.

:burnrubber:

I specifically targeted 2nd generation sports cars with my earlier statement, so far the FC and Mk2 Supra make me eat my words and the Integra is a good counterpoint that good things can come in a later generation (same thing with the Mustang, although not a sports car).

You're right, loosing an edge isn't a bad thing, so is gaining performance, I think I need to stop my trolling with blanket statements for the day.

Cautious optimism kids, newer isn't always better is the thrust of my point.

:cheers:

Tcoat 11-03-2015 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2440817)
IMO Refresh of current chassis happens in 2017 for Europe and Asia and in 2018 as a 2019 model for North America.

Roughly the same time (2018-2019 global launch) the S-FR is introduced.

The all new 86 chassis we wont see until 4 years after that. Where it gains power but no weight due to Electric Supercharging and improved materials. It will have more GT like road manners (improved damping, more sound insulation, upgraded interior HVAC/Entertainment electronics). This will raise the base price to ~$31k. A N/A model will also be offered at $28k

Source, also my ass.
Well I will say Daem that my ass totally agrees with your ass in that prediction with the exception of the price. The increases will be far more than that I am afraid because in the interval between those changes the world governments will place even more safety and environmental regulations that will drive costs up. The manufactures can and will not eat those costs just to sell a few more cars.

strat61caster 11-03-2015 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carma143 (Post 2440778)
I believe there is still hope.
Interestingly your graph unknowingly shows the introduction of the 370Z, the generation that follows the 350Z, that one looks pretty lackluster too...

Although I had no idea that 86's outsold GTI's for two years running, that's a bit of an accomplishment imo.

Hoahao 11-03-2015 06:00 PM
Anybody want to guess where all those systems originated?

William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993)

Tcoat 11-03-2015 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440865)
Maybe it was a mistake to post the FB, but the FC gets tons of love, every conversation I have about 7's with people that have owned and worked on them has the statement "No you don't want an FD, get an FC".

Yup, third gen was a gem on the Integra, fourth wasn't as good and is a great example that cars aren't always better on the new generation.

Supra? Fast and the Furious and 1,000 horsepower 2JZ's.

You're right, how could I forget the most important quality of sports cars, how they look.

:burnrubber:

I specifically targeted 2nd generation sports cars with my earlier statement, so far the FC and Mk2 Supra make me eat my words and the Integra is a good counterpoint that good things can come in a later generation (same thing with the Mustang, although not a sports car).

You're right, loosing an edge isn't a bad thing, so is gaining performance, I think I need to stop my trolling with blanket statements for the day.

Cautious optimism kids, newer isn't always better is the thrust of my point.

:cheers:
I understood your point Strat!
And to repeat my very oft inflammatory opinion on many of the cars discussed here:


Many have been raised to a legendary status by a generation that have more often than not never even sat in one much less drove it. Yes, yes I know there are some that have but it is not this minority that have perpetuated the legends but the kids that grew up wanting one because it was the coolest in that movie or video game. If these were such perfect machines back in the day why is it such a common complaint now that people can not find nice unmolested ones? They were molested for a reason and it is not strange that the popularity of them has grown at the same pace as the internet and the pre movie/game/anime versions are not as popular now as the latter ones even though they may have been much superior cars.

Tcoat 11-03-2015 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoahao (Post 2440873)
Anybody want to guess where all those systems originated?

William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993)
And where did Mr Deming teach and introduce his theories and systems when NA businesses told him to go pound salt?

strat61caster 11-03-2015 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2440892)
If these were such perfect machines back in the day why is it such a common complaint now that people can not find nice unmolested ones?
To be fair, the 86 is pretty great and the community at large seems to be going Catholic church on them, all cars get fucked with unless they're not treated like cars.

Thank god the Germans don't make cartoons, I've got my eye on some BMW's and Porsche's once I have the resources for a bigger garage, I wouldn't stand a chance if the same hype hit those cars that have hit the Japanese cars.

Justin.b 11-03-2015 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440902)
To be fair, the 86 is pretty great and the community at large seems to be going Catholic church on them, all cars get fucked with unless they're not treated like cars.

Thank god the Germans don't make cartoons, I've got my eye on some BMW's and Porsche's once I have the resources for a bigger garage, I wouldn't stand a chance if the same hype hit those cars that have hit the Japanese cars.
Are you talking hype as in getting the prices inflated or as in getting modded to hell and back and leaving an airbagged turd tucking 22's where a decent sportscar once was?

-Justin

Tcoat 11-03-2015 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440902)
To be fair, the 86 is pretty great and the community at large seems to be going Catholic church on them, all cars get fucked with unless they're not treated like cars.

Thank god the Germans don't make cartoons, I've got my eye on some BMW's and Porsche's once I have the resources for a bigger garage, I wouldn't stand a chance if the same hype hit those cars that have hit the Japanese cars.
Yep
Yep
and a huge
YEP


I guess being on the outside of the modern "import" crowd looking in I see things that many here are just blind to. Oh well the hate mail should start rolling in the PM box any second now.

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2440240)
I have a feeling the second gen (not refresh) will actually be pretty exciting. Something tells me they might surprise us.

Source: My ass (equivalent to motoring.au)
No, you can actually remove the shit(bs) hanging from your ass, motoring's is there to stay, like a permanent tattoo or scar

strat61caster 11-03-2015 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin.b (Post 2440909)
Are you talking hype as in getting the prices inflated or as in getting modded to hell and back and leaving an airbagged turd tucking 22's where a decent sportscar once was?

-Justin
The former. The latter happens to Chryslers and minivans as much as VW's, 240sx's, Porsche's, and 86's.

Edit: Watching Mk1 GTI, 2002, E30, and 911 prices climb for me is like the band you wanted to see breaking up and you sit there remembering the last time they were in town and you didn't go because they'll come around next year.

And that's just the short German list, there's still a few Japanese cars I've got my eye on that I think I will totally miss the boat on unless I win the Lotto.

Justin.b 11-03-2015 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440925)
The former. The latter happens to Chryslers and minivans as much as VW's, 240sx's, Porsche's, and 86's.
I hope you like 914s, Caymans or Boxsters. I've been booting myself in the ass for not jumping on a 964 before they went crazy. Just a couple of years ago you could have had your pick of some very nice ones for $25k. These days it seems that money will get you a non-running car missing most of the interior... or a 996 :) .

Edit: Haha. I was typing this while you were editing. I moved a little further north of Boston last year and now I see 2002's all the time. I didn't realize there were any around. I still never see 510s. Road salt ate all of them well before I had a license.

-Justin

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by akyp (Post 2440243)
Lexus IS is another one that comes to mind!
Lexus IS never was much of a sports oriented car to begin with, that's why most of those you see are automatic, no LSD and driven by older folks(not so much now since they are affordable to the younger generation). I feel like the original IS300(altezza) was a miss on the part of Lexus/Toyota as they could've had either a very nice comfy car or a more sporty sedan but instead chose to split it down the middle trying to make it a bit sporty to appeal to a younger generation all the while pricing it to an unattainable price range for most younger generations.

I still love the IS300 though that's why I owned one before the BRZ

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 2440594)
People often mistake advancement with losing the edge. Which Integra was the best? Not the first gen. Which Supra? Which RX-7? There's no rule here. Any new generation of twin will be turboed because of fuel economy requirements. I'd like to see an EV version. That would be a blast.
Integra: not the last one either lol
Supra: is anyone really going to argue this? obv the 2jz powered one with the previous generation not far behind (the 7m powered one were nice but the 1jz powered ones are great)
RX7: I think that just comes down to which rotary didn't detonate

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin.b (Post 2440674)
They all seem to just be getting it wrong. Every time someone claims a car is imported from Japan, there's someone responding with the actual plant location in the US.

I'll just have to read window stickers more closely. Next car is probably a Focus ST, so at least I won't have to be disappointed to find out it wasn;t made in Japan.

-Justin
Does it really change anything though, the only reason certain countries are viewed more favorably then other is the general quality/quality control they have in those countries (I.e: Europe/Japan good; China/Taiwan bad). That is only a general statement, I have seen many made in US or Japan things that were complete crap with little to no quality control and I have seen things made in China that far outshine their European counterparts both in quality and price. Not all US made things are good and not all China made things are crap. I would much rather buy a Mexican made car with good quality control than a Japan/Europe made car with poor quality control or.... lying about it's specs/performance *cough cough* VW * cough*

Justin.b 11-03-2015 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2440948)
Lexus IS never was much of a sports oriented car to begin with, that's why most of those you see are automatic, no LSD and driven by older folks(not so much now since they are affordable to the younger generation). I feel like the original IS300(altezza) was a miss on the part of Lexus/Toyota as they could've had either a very nice comfy car or a more sporty sedan but instead chose to split it down the middle trying to make it a bit sporty to appeal to a younger generation all the while pricing it to an unattainable price range for most younger generations.

I still love the IS300 though that's why I owned one before the BRZ
I was pretty active on is300.net for a while, and those cars were priced within reach. I think they started right around $30k and the people buying them (or at least the ones on the forum) were mainly in their mid-20's.

It would be silly to develop a car aimed mainly at people younger than that because they usually don't have any money. Even if you drop the price to $25k, you'd get the broke mofos saying they're just going to build a civic faster than the IS for $12k....

-Justin

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimon7777 (Post 2440700)
I'm pretty sure our Forester came from Japan because they picked it up from the port. There's no magic in Japan, though. Much and maybe even most of quality comes from processes and design, assembly workers. Except in British cars. :)
Of course, everyone knows british cars are all built in someone's shed in their backyard... That is the British way.

Hoahao 11-03-2015 06:57 PM
And where did Mr Deming teach and introduce his theories and systems when NA businesses told him to go pound salt?

Hakone Convention Center in Tokyo, August 1950. MacArthur got him into Japan in '47.

I'm 63 so your talking to a guy who started out working when the US still had an industrial base. I worked a number of manufacturing jobs including "the line" at Chrysler. Ended up as a Supervisor at a plant making polystyrene stuff. Took a number of management courses where Deming came up, as well as Frederick Winslow Taylor, whom I'm sure you know.
Realized the writing was on the wall about careers in making things and got out and got into finance.

Many have been raised to a legendary status by a generation that have more often than not never even sat in one much less drove it. Yes, yes I know there are some that have but it is not this minority that have perpetuated the legends but the kids that grew up wanting one because it was the coolest in that movie or video game.

Yep, and some variant of that probably extends to chariotsback in Roman times too. In cars, at least 100 years now... Stutz Bearcat...

Justin.b 11-03-2015 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2440959)
Does it really change anything though, the only reason certain countries are viewed more favorably then other is the general quality/quality control they have in those countries (I.e: Europe/Japan good; China/Taiwan bad). That is only a general statement, I have seen many made in US or Japan things that were complete crap with little to no quality control and I have seen things made in China that far outshine their European counterparts both in quality and price. Not all US made things are good and not all China made things are crap. I would much rather buy a Mexican made car with good quality control than a Japan/Europe made car with poor quality control or.... lying about it's specs/performance *cough cough* VW * cough*
As someone who has a Japanese-built FR-S that is currently sitting at the dealer with a blown engine @ 39k miles, I'm not too sold on Japanese quality at the moment.

It was mainly just curiosity.

-Justin

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440726)
Oooh, good call with those cars, however I would argue quite staunchly that the best generations were NOT the last generations with the DC5 Integra picking up weight and MacPherson struts, the MK4 Supra being more a grand-touring car than the sportier Mk2 & 3 and the FD being rather unattainable and tempermental compared to the much more reliable and playful FB/FC, not to mention the FE could be accused of not having a fraction of the edge of the 7's.



Well, 300zx was definitely less a sports car than other Z's, I don't think anyone would honestly take it over a 240Z-280Z, the new WRX is a V6 Camry in styling and performance and the STI is using a 15 year old engine vs. lightweight and tossable bugeye, Mustang is a muscle/pony car finally entering the late 20th century with IRS, definitely an improvement there (after many generations with one step forward two steps back), Corvette can't take track abuse, and Lotus currently only offers the Evora (heaviest lotus to date I think? what a sham) in the U.S. and to my knowledge hasn't significantly reworked a car in well over a decade (Thank god Danny Bahar didn't get the chance to follow through on his 'vision').

:burnrubber:

With the exception of the Mustang and Elise, I think I prefer an earlier generation of ALL the cars listed over the latest generation when it comes to using them as sporting vehicles, HPDE/AutoX/weekend driving.
I would take 10 300Zx befor 240's... 240s are overdone, they are everywhere and everyone that sees one assumes its a rusted abused POS drifting car(which they are not wrong most times) :popcorn:

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 07:02 PM
@strat61caster I actually like the Mk3 the most but different things appeal to different people, That's why some people like boxy vehicles like th Xb and other are normal :D

Justin.b 11-03-2015 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2440964)
I would take 10 300Zx befor 240's... 240s are overdone, they are everywhere and everyone that sees one assumes its a rusted abused POS drifting car(which they are not wrong most times) :popcorn:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2vm8wg3.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/2igzmg6.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/212icnq.jpg

I miss my 240. :(

-Justin

strat61caster 11-03-2015 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2440964)
I would take 10 300Zx befor 240's... 240s are overdone, they are everywhere
:lol:

Better sell your 86 before the next 70,000+ hit the continent over the next 3-4 years.

Tcoat 11-03-2015 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoahao (Post 2440962)
Yep, and some variant of that probably extends to chariotsback in Roman times too. In cars, at least 100 years now... Stuz Bearcat...
Yes, but it took a lot longer to raise that chariot or Stuz to legend when you had to press your thoughts into a clay tablet or send a letter to a magazine, hope it got printed and that anybody read it so things truly had to shine in their own era to be desired so much by the next generation. Now you can fall in love with a car by looking at thousands of them at whim, watching it perform (usually way beyond reality) in a movie or anime, think you know how it handles from sitting in front of a screen with a controller in your handand listen to 100s of others preach it's gospel in blogs and forums. The fact that you may never have even touched one does not matter as you feel you know it so well.


I know this reads as if I think poorly of people that like these cars. That is not the fact. I myself have a love of many cars I have never driven and never will. The difference lies in the fact I would never even think of running around spewing "these were the bestest cars ever" when I really have no clue what it is actually like. I have been a car guy for over 40 years and it is really only in the last 15 or so that I have seen the whole car scene go to this almost surreal admiration of cars that very few discussing ever even owned.


Crotchety old guy rant over.

Hoahao 11-03-2015 08:35 PM
Good news Tcoat!! Your Crotchetyness will only increase as you get older!!

"When I was a boy," F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote, "I dreamed that I sat always at the wheel of a magnificent Stutz, a Stutz as low as a snake and as red as an Indiana barn."


fumanchu1 11-03-2015 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440992)
:lol:

Better sell your 86 before the next 70,000+ hit the continent over the next 3-4 years.
Nah I'm good, they are not so popular here (Winter in Canada discourages a lot of people from buying rwd) and you hardly see any. Also not sure there are really any other modded ones in my region (on the Quebec side as I know a few from the Ottawa, ON side), funny thing I actually spoke to my regional subie and toyota/scion dealer to see if warranty work would still be possible (answer is a definite no once they heard what was modded) and although they didn't want to do warranty work they did want me to bring it in as apparently they hadn't seen one modded (aside from the usual exhaust), service guy told me he had a few mechanics salivating when he asked if they would do warranty work with my list of mods.

fumanchu1 11-03-2015 08:40 PM
@justin don't get me wrong it's a cool, nice car but around here they're a dime a dozen, everyone I know who drifts/drifted had one at one point or another in the last 5 years (We're talking over 20 people I personally know well in a city of 300 000 (100 000 if you take only my city before the fusion). And since demand is high they are all overpriced and beaten to shit, very rare to see one without a rusted frame (they put so much fucking salt on the roads here in winter you could probably attract deers with the roads)

Justin.b 11-03-2015 09:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2441070)
@justin don't get me wrong it's a cool, nice car but around here they're a dime a dozen, everyone I know who drifts/drifted had one at one point or another in the last 5 years (We're talking over 20 people I personally know well in a city of 300 000 (100 000 if you take only my city before the fusion). And since demand is high they are all overpriced and beaten to shit, very rare to see one without a rusted frame (they put so much fucking salt on the roads here in winter you could probably attract deers with the roads)
They don't do well with road salt. I actually bought a complete and mostly running one in FL and drove it home in 2001. Never drove it in winter. The kid I sold it to in '07 used it only in warm weather since then too. I've seen some pictures and it seems in the same condition still.

I bought my Miata from Long Beach, CA and drove it back. There's no way I want to work on a project car that's lived in road salt.

When I changed the exhaust on the 240, the nuts were still hex shaped, the studs still had thread on the exposed segments and the nuts came off with simple hand tools in entirely re-usable condition. I had never seen that before. It was nice.

In VT I actually did see deer licking the street.

-Justin

Packofcrows 11-03-2015 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin.b (Post 2440674)
They all seem to just be getting it wrong. Every time someone claims a car is imported from Japan, there's someone responding with the actual plant location in the US.

I'll just have to read window stickers more closely. Next car is probably a Focus ST, so at least I won't have to be disappointed to find out it wasn;t made in Japan.

-Justin
Haha good deal. Im just hating anyway. Two Fords almost killed me. Im biased.

strat61caster 11-03-2015 09:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2441040)
Now you can fall in love with a car by looking at thousands of them at whim, watching it perform (usually way beyond reality) in a movie or anime, think you know how it handles from sitting in front of a screen with a controller in your handand listen to 100s of others preach it's gospel in blogs and forums. The fact that you may never have even touched one does not matter as you feel you know it so well.
Your generation did it too, well before computing surpassed using punch cards.

http://news.boldride.com/wp-content/...er-Daytona.jpg

http://cobraferrariwars.com/1-pix-cf...bra_race11.jpg

Tcoat 11-03-2015 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2441040)
I know this reads as if I think poorly of people that like these cars. That is not the fact. I myself have a love of many cars I have never driven and never will. The difference lies in the fact I would never even think of running around spewing "these were the bestest cars ever" when I really have no clue what it is actually like. .
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2441109)
Your generation did it too, well before computing surpassed using punch cards.
Yep!
But I have a surprise for you! Can't prove it (didn't take 100 pics a day back then) but for one whole week back in 77 I actually owned a Superbird. It was beat to shit, broken spoiler, smashed bumper and rotted out but I owned the sonofabitch. Bought it for $1200 sold it a week later for $2,000 and now kick myself every single freakn' time I see one.


The pic cold be it for all I know.


http://news.boldride.com/wp-content/...er-Daytona.jpg

strat61caster 11-03-2015 09:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2441115)
Yep!
But I have a surprise for you! Can't prove it (didn't take 100 pics a day back then) but for one whole week back in 77 I actually owned a Superbird. It was beat to shit, broken spoiler, smashed bumper and rotted out but I owned the sonofabitch. Bought it for $1200 sold it a week later for $2,000 and now kick myself every single freakn' time I see one.


The pic cold be it for all I know.
Hehe, well did it live up to it's racing heritage? Is your only regret how much money it's worth now?

Tcoat 11-03-2015 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2441117)
Hehe, well did it live up to it's racing heritage? Is your only regret how much money it's worth now?
Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.


http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-c...7/IMG_4092.jpg

STZ 11-03-2015 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2440197)
Don't mix up second generation and an update/refresh. Model year 2017 is less than a year away.

2017 is going to be a refresh of the current model and they are probably going to milk it another 2-3 years.
Second generation on the other hand is after they are done with the current generation and probably a few years away as it takes that long to develop a car.
Opps. Thanks lol. I know the difference between the two but I guess my brain just decided to not care and lump them together. I made the post at an ungodly hour in the night. :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alltezza (Post 2440217)
I hope this car doesn't get the hybrid drive train.
I don't think it will. It just happened to be in the same article. Car manufacturers do some stupid shit from time to time, but im pretty sure Toyota and Subaru fully realize what the point of the 86 is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by adamg (Post 2440286)
here we go again
I see this quote on a bunch of motoring.au or rumor based sites. I don't see how it really applies here. Why not talk about something to come?

GhostRai 11-04-2015 02:15 AM
[quote=Tcoat;2441123]Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.


I am constantly reminded by these situations. You won't believe the amount of times my dad has told me the story of how he had the chance to buy a Ferrari 246 Dino back in Hong Kong.

GhostRai 11-04-2015 02:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2441123)
Well the one time I took it out on the street it scared the crap outta me. It needed way too much work and I was being deployed to Germany so it made no sense to keep it and haul it from base to base even when I came back so I sold it off to the first buyer with cash. Then I have watched them go higher and higher in value ever since.
When I came back I bought my 70 coronet R/T as a more "practical" alternative. Traded it for a van when I got married and then watched that one shoot up in value as well.
I am constantly reminded by these situations. You won't believe the amount of times my dad has told me the story of how he had the chance to buy a Ferrari 246 Dino back in Hong Kong.

raven1231 11-04-2015 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2440726)
Oooh, good call with those cars, however I would argue quite staunchly that the best generations were NOT the last generations with the DC5 Integra picking up weight and MacPherson struts, the MK4 Supra being more a grand-touring car than the sportier Mk2 & 3 and the FD being rather unattainable and tempermental compared to the much more reliable and playful FB/FC, not to mention the FE could be accused of not having a fraction of the edge of the 7's.



Well, 300zx was definitely less a sports car than other Z's, I don't think anyone would honestly take it over a 240Z-280Z (I know a ton of people who would, me being one of them), the new WRX is a V6 Camry in styling and performance (umm what? the styling is more conservative and less gaudy but it's in no way equivalent to a camry, at least not anymore than the frs is to a prius) and the STI is using a 15 year old engine vs. lightweight and tossable bugeye, Mustang is a muscle/pony car finally entering the late 20th century with IRS, definitely an improvement there (after many generations with one step forward two steps back), Corvette can't take track abuse, and Lotus currently only offers the Evora (heaviest lotus to date I think? what a sham) in the U.S. and to my knowledge hasn't significantly reworked a car in well over a decade (Thank god Danny Bahar didn't get the chance to follow through on his 'vision').

:burnrubber:

With the exception of the Mustang and Elise, I think I prefer an earlier generation of ALL the cars listed over the latest generation when it comes to using them as sporting vehicles, HPDE/AutoX/weekend driving.
Everyone has their own preferences I suppose...


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:42 AM.
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.