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Tcoat 10-20-2015 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2425630)

Oh sweet lord the torque man the torque!

MokSpeed 10-20-2015 12:55 PM

Buster became a gearhead

jawn 10-20-2015 12:56 PM

I wonder if the OP will come back.

Tcoat 10-20-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2425716)
I wonder if the OP will come back.

Yep. Look at the post history. The man has no shame.

soulreapersteve 10-20-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2425630)


Will that fit in my Honda?

MisterSheep 10-20-2015 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2425952)
Will that fit in my Honda?

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Of Course!

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DVNARC 11-18-2015 01:58 AM

I'm back. Thanks to those that answered seriously not sure what the big deal is maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think I meant what's the best HP to keep it still a balanced car? Something versatile good on track and straights and I'm just a kid guys learning about cars you expect me to have good threads??

BlackJesus 11-18-2015 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2454837)
I'm back. Thanks to those that answered seriously not sure what the big deal is maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think I meant what's the best HP to keep it still a balanced car? Something versatile good on track and straights and I'm just a kid guys learning about cars you expect me to have good threads??

When it comes to cars, it's really hard to say. You can have a 1000hp well balance Frs or a 250hp Well balanced frs. It all comes down to personal preference since there are people out there that thinks having over 9000 hp isnt enough and there are people that think having 69 hp is more than enough.

The best answer is..... what do you think?

WWJD?
WWBJD?

KR-S 11-18-2015 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2454837)
I'm back. Thanks to those that answered seriously not sure what the big deal is maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think I meant what's the best HP to keep it still a balanced car? Something versatile good on track and straights and I'm just a kid guys learning about cars you expect me to have good threads??

Good horsepower? I think 1500HP should keep it balanced.

Seriously though, it might be worth driving the car as is with all 200 horses on the track before figuring out how much. Like you, I'm trying to learn as well, but I'm not making silly threads expecting everyone to hand out answers on a silver platter.

strat61caster 11-18-2015 02:16 AM

track day bro

carma143 11-18-2015 02:45 AM

However much power it takes to reach 86 mph no matter where you are.

Impureclient 11-18-2015 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by carma143 (Post 2454869)
However much power it takes to reach 86 mph no matter where you are.

Never go up to 88 mph!

carma143 11-18-2015 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2425630)

No no no. He meant a BIG ENGINE
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KR-S 11-18-2015 03:56 AM

You need something more efficient. How about shuttle engines?

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GhostRai 11-18-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LXXXV1 (Post 2423265)
Gallo 12 or a Gallo 24?



Let's see who gets where this is from...

Gallo 24, only question now is what are you feeling? 40w? 50w?

Justin.b 11-18-2015 04:23 PM

Proper answer for now is to upgrade tires, brakes and suspension first. If you get the urge to add more power after that, you'll have a better idea what you're looking for by then.

IMHO, don't bother with intakes or exhaust on the stock engine unless you're looking for more sound. The hp increases are negligible.

If you want to actually improve power you'll need to afford some down time for the car. Also, you live in a place where it's very easy to make your car illegal. After years of cracking down on inspection stations, it's quite near impossible to find a way around that.

My recommendation for someone who wants significantly more power than the FR-S offers is to just buy something with more power. You almost have to look for the least powerful sporty machine around to end up in an FR-S anyway. You could have 300+ hp reliably and without emissions concerns in a 370Z, G37, etc...

-Justin

DarkSunrise 11-18-2015 04:56 PM

OP's question reminds me of a great Mark Donohue quote:

"If you can leave two black stripes from the exit of one corner to the braking zone of the next, you have enough horsepower."

MokSpeed 11-18-2015 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GhostRai (Post 2455415)
Gallo 24, only question now is what are you feeling? 40w? 50w?



40w sounds nice.


A couple of SR20s would pull a premium at Race Wars.

KR-S 11-18-2015 05:57 PM

Hey guys, I was planning on adding some nitrous to my FR-S and was wondering if a 100 shot of NOS would blow the welds on my intake? It's factory BTW.

Justin.b 11-18-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2455545)
Hey guys, I was planning on adding some nitrous to my FR-S and was wondering if a 100 shot of NOS would blow the welds on my intake? It's factory BTW.

The FR-S uses purple anodized rivets on the intake manifold instead of welds, noob.

I would be very cautious of the Fred Flintstone panel, though. That thing will definitely not stay in place if you're running such a big nitrous shot.

-Justin

KR-S 11-18-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin.b (Post 2455556)
The FR-S uses purple anodized rivets on the intake manifold instead of welds, noob.

I would be very cautious of the Fred Flintstone panel, though. That thing will definitely not stay in place if you're running such a big nitrous shot.

-Justin

Oops, my bad. :bonk:

One more question: can my factory piston rings handle the shot? I want to save money where I can plus I'm nearly broke to the point I'm wagering my own pink slip to the car.
I'm racing this guy in an RX-7 BTW.

Justin.b 11-18-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2455567)
Oops, my bad. :bonk:

One more question: can my factory piston rings handle the shot? I want to save money where I can plus I'm nearly broke to the point I'm wagering my own pink slip to the car.
I'm racing this guy in an RX-7 BTW.

Just be sure not to granny shift.

Double clutch like you should and it will be fine.

-Justin

KR-S 11-18-2015 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin.b (Post 2455569)
Just be sure not to granny shift.

Double clutch like you should and it will be fine.

-Justin

Hey, it doesn't matter if I blow up my car in the process as long as I cross the finish line first, regardless of whether it's an inch or by a mile. Winning's winning.

go_a_way1 11-18-2015 06:27 PM

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shellslinger 11-18-2015 06:28 PM

The answer is always Miata....with a v8

KR-S 11-18-2015 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shellslinger (Post 2455574)
The answer is always Miata....with a v8

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Turbo95eg6 11-18-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2454837)
I'm back. Thanks to those that answered seriously not sure what the big deal is maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think I meant what's the best HP to keep it still a balanced car? Something versatile good on track and straights and I'm just a kid guys learning about cars you expect me to have good threads??

Stick to Hondas, kid.

Tcoat 11-18-2015 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2454837)
I'm back. Thanks to those that answered seriously not sure what the big deal is maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think I meant what's the best HP to keep it still a balanced car? Something versatile good on track and straights and I'm just a kid guys learning about cars you expect me to have good threads??

Well Dvn, you got the responses you did because the question has no answer. There are 1,000 things that you can do to the car. Some add power, some don't, some make it better, some don't. There is no magic number no matter what your buddies or Facebook may tell you. There are a lot of guys that come on here that have never even driven the car that start throwing around HP numbers that they want and the car "needs to have". For some strange reason 300hp seems to come up a lot. When pressed very few can answer the question "why 300?" other than that is what they want. The few that do answer the question almost always start their response with "well my buddy that has a WRX/Mustang/Camaro says...".
So, leave the numbers game to bench racers and paper power crowd, hit the track and learn to drive it well as it is. Then when somebody says "underpowered" just look them in the eye and say "prove it at the track". Those guys that have all that power but can't drive worth shit will be left in your dust.

DVNARC 11-21-2015 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2454845)
Good horsepower? I think 1500HP should keep it balanced.

Seriously though, it might be worth driving the car as is with all 200 horses on the track before figuring out how much. Like you, I'm trying to learn as well, but I'm not making silly threads expecting everyone to hand out answers on a silver platter.

My threads arnt silly they are amature. And I don't expect the magic answer it's more of a shot in the dark. Just look for direction if not an answer. I honestly rather ask a silly question than remain in ignorance. Because I just learned that the only way I will know is on track. So it was worth it.

KR-S 11-21-2015 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2457888)
My threads arnt silly they are amature. And I don't expect the magic answer it's more of a shot in the dark. Just look for direction if not an answer. I honestly rather ask a silly question than remain in ignorance. Because I just learned that the only way I will know is on track. So it was worth it.

The thing is, your questions have been asked on this forum many times and would have easily been solved if you did some searching. Not only that, but actually, as others have said in this case, there's far too many variables for your question. We aren't you.

You're right that the answer to your question will be on the track. There, you can determine what the car needs improvement on.

chaoskaze 11-21-2015 06:17 PM

Engine swap or not what would be the best amount of hp for the 86?
 
There is never enough horse power?

For good experienced driver they know how much they want, if you aren't then the amount you need is depended on the size of your junk or how much you need to beat locals @ traffic light/drag strip.


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02.ACCORD.DUDE 11-21-2015 06:43 PM

I've got a question for those who have done moderate upgrades... At what point do you actually notice the HP upgrade during non-track use?

Is it +10 HP?, +15HP, +50HP?

(Just curious...)

ZionsWrath 11-21-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 02.ACCORD.DUDE (Post 2458387)
I've got a question for those who have done moderate upgrades... At what point do you actually notice the HP upgrade during non-track use?

Is it +10 HP?, +15HP, +50HP?

(Just curious...)

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When I added tires I noticed I could take a corner I was doing at 55 previously now 60. This is just casual street driving on a exit ramp.

Add in camber, track tires, etc. You can gain a lot of improvement.

Small anecdote, was tracking with another member and we we running basically identical. I had camber bolts (alignment), wheels/tires, and AP sprint kit. He had header/tune and tires. Which is the better car? better driver? who had more fun? Impossible to say.

There are a million paths you can take. And that is what makes this car great. All of those options and someone makes a part for all of them.

OP, just make the most informed decision you can based on what you feel and want. Numbers on paper are never going to come close to being able to describe any vehicle you own.

86_PWR 11-21-2015 10:43 PM

If u want HP, u bought the wrong car. Period.

DVNARC 11-29-2015 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 86_PWR (Post 2458557)
If u want HP, u bought the wrong car. Period.

Of course but you can still add power. And Funny you said that with your name being 86 power lol

Packofcrows 11-29-2015 08:53 PM

215WHP would be enough for the twins for DD. 250WHP would be enough for 'fast n furious.'

Over 300whp is not really IMO something the twins need. Only way I see over 275whp is with a bigger engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Concerning torque 250 torque would be perfect for this weight. Similar to STI, but a tad less.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 11-29-2015 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DVNARC (Post 2465586)
Of course but you can still add power. And Funny you said that with your name being 86 power lol

Let me guess you're... let's say.... under the age of 22?

The questions you've repeatedly asked have that sort of caliber of immaturity other people our age don't behave like this and you kinda make everyone hate our generation of gearheads. You haven't even told us what mods you currently have or what the end all goal of the car is, from what I see you've got buddy club tail lights, win jet headlights, JDM sidemarkers, and and an aftermarket hood. You've done enough research to know they look relatively good on your car, why can't you do more research without such an ambiguous thread?

What kind of track experience do you have? If you want better times focus on a driver mod and wheels tires and brakes first but with input from an instructor.....

Koa 11-29-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2465590)
215WHP would be enough for the twins for DD. 250WHP would be enough for 'fast n furious.'

Over 300whp is not really IMO something the twins need. Only way I see over 275whp is with a bigger engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Concerning torque 250 torque would be perfect for this weight. Similar to STI, but a tad less.

Only way you see (I'm assuming you mean reliable) power over 275whp is with a bigger engine?

you sure bout that?

I'm with you in your angle, though. These aren't the strongest little things even with the better design over the EJs

Bobblehead 11-29-2015 10:11 PM

I think if the car could make 250, even 220 horsepower to the wheel, in addition to a flatter, healthier torque curve (~180lb/ft? Sure let's go with that.) it would be significantly more fun, and sell better.

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billwot 11-30-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2465590)
215WHP would be enough for the twins for DD. 250WHP would be enough for 'fast n furious.'

Over 300whp is not really IMO something the twins need. Only way I see over 275whp is with a bigger engine. There's no replacement for displacement.

Concerning torque 250 torque would be perfect for this weight. Similar to STI, but a tad less.

FI is the replacement for displacement! Consider the 2.2l N/A MR2 vs the 2l turbo MR2...120 HP vs 200 HP (and much more available with just an inexpensive aftermarket boost controller)


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