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Tcoat 03-01-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billwot (Post 2152324)
We used oatmeal in the radiator.

Ahhhh stops leaks and provides a hearty breakfast!


http://greenlitebites.com/resources/...naOatmeal4.jpg

stugray 03-01-2015 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by M12Power (Post 2151316)
I believe that’s actually against the law in the US (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). Toyota cannot refuse warranty work just because you take your car elsewhere for service. I believe it is also mentioned in the owners manual.

This is actually happening on another thread right now: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=60047&page=10

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Originally Posted by Tank (Post 2152397)
I'll be taking copies of my records to them next week. It sounds like it's not the dealership that is makes the final decision. ... It was initially refused for the lack of service records, however they've arranged for a representative to come look at the situation in person.

At this point all I know is that there is a lapse in the service history. I have records from my ownership, but not before. There are only 2 service records the dealership can see from before I bought it. The dealership I purchased it from received the car at 26k miles. I purchased it at 28k miles. My service records are at 32k miles and 38k miles. Engine started making noise at 42k. A representative is coming to check every thing out some time next week. Until then, I can only be hopeful.

So it happens...

Tcoat 03-01-2015 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 2152407)
This is actually happening on another thread right now: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=60047&page=10



So it happens...

His is not refused for having service done someplace else but for not having the records of it being serviced someplace else. If you do it your self or have it done someplace else you need to be prepared to prove it!
In the case you linked the guy is certainly getting screwed over since the gap occurred before he even owned the car!!!

stugray 03-01-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2152419)
His is not refused for having service done someplace else but for not having the records of it being serviced someplace else. If you do it your self or have it done someplace else you need to be prepared to prove it!
In the case you linked the guy is certainly getting screwed over since the gap occurred before he even owned the car!!!

Exactly! and if the PO had used the dealership, then the Scion would have the records.
Even if the PO had the work done by a pro shop elsewhere, scion "has no record of it", therefore a challenge to the warranty work based on maintenance record snafu.

tekFRS234 03-01-2015 11:46 PM

Thanks for all the good feedback! I didn't know about the crush ring. Must be a Subaru thing. Never had to deal with that in any other car.

Sorry to hear about some of the bad luck folks have had. I definitely feel better about buying new. Sounds like there are a lot of abused used FR-S's out there.

I'm still leaning strongly towards doing my own oil changes and will keep a log w/ receipts. I might also keep old oil filters in a storage bin, since that won't take up much space. I don't want any reason for delay in resolving issues, warranty-wise, if something happens.

Thanks again!

billwot 03-01-2015 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tekFRS234 (Post 2152714)
Thanks for all the good feedback! I didn't know about the crush ring. Must be a Subaru thing. Never had to deal with that in any other car.

I didn't know about it either, until I saw the oil spots in my driveway...after my local Toyo dealership did an oil change!

billyk 03-02-2015 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pushrod (Post 2152061)
My grandfather, who has been working on cars since 1946, told me the best thing to do is drain the factory oil as soon as you get the car home and replace it with a thicker grade, so for us, it would be something like 20w50. He also said that you should never use "synthetic" oil, but rather stick with the tried and true dinosaur oil. It has additives that our engines need.

Also, he recommends putting a spoonful of bitumen into the oil filter before installation. This helps the filter get "used to" filtering contaminants from the oil. I saw him do this on a couple tractors and thought it was weird, but did they ever sound strong when he started them up!

As for intervals, 6500-7500 miles is crazy. Typical car companies trying to make a buck by using such short intervals. Instead, we should only be changing the oil every 1-2 years, regardless of mileage.

I don't use the stock drain plug. I just drill a fresh hole each time, and then braze it shut with a torch. Seems to work ok.

EXACTLY! Thanks so much for sharing this.

But, here in Northern Maryland, we do it just a bit differently.

Here, I just reach back to my gun rack that is mounted just behind the front seats in my FRS, I usually choose my 30-06 and I just shoot a hole in the oil pan. I avoid the AK as it's much harder to collect the used oil. Screw using the drain plug. That's purely for Wusses.

stugray 03-02-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pushrod (Post 2152061)
My grandfather, who has been working on cars since 1946, told me the best thing to do is drain the factory oil as soon as you get the car home and replace it with a thicker grade, so for us, it would be something like 20w50..

YEAH! Who needs any of that sissy High-Molly Break-in-crapola!

tekFRS234 03-02-2015 09:27 PM

From Scion:

Thank you for contacting Scion.

We appreciate your inquiry regarding oil change intervals for your 2015 FR-S and would be glad to assist.

Our recommendation for oil changes is what is listed on the 2015 FR-S Warranty and Maintenance Guide beginning on pg. 37 linked here. In it, the recommended first oil change is to be completed at 7,500 miles or 7.5 months, whichever occurs first. Although we understand that you completed a 1,000 mile break-in period for your vehicle, we suggest adhering to the scheduled maintenance guidelines listed through the Warranty and Maintenance Guide.

continuecrushing 03-02-2015 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by billyk (Post 2152955)
EXACTLY! Thanks so much for sharing this.

But, here in Northern Maryland, we do it just a bit differently.

Here, I just reach back to my gun rack that is mounted just behind the front seats in my FRS, I usually choose my 30-06 and I just shoot a hole in the oil pan. I avoid the AK as it's much harder to collect the used oil. Screw using the drain plug. That's purely for Wusses.

is there a DIY with photos or video? I'd like to try this the next time.

tekFRS234 03-02-2015 09:58 PM

This seemed like a good one...

[ame]http://youtu.be/sYwSrfjcnVo[/ame]

Tcoat 03-02-2015 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tekFRS234 (Post 2154003)
This seemed like a good one...

http://youtu.be/sYwSrfjcnVo

HA! No guns involved in that video at all!
Here ya go Shutter!
http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3...cover-1088.jpg

pushrod 03-02-2015 10:52 PM

That video shows filling out a little sticker to record the last time the oil was changed. I use Trip A on the dash to do this, and Trip B for fuel.

By the way, shooting a hole in an oil pan is just crazy. Instead, you need to shoot it twice so that the air can escape more easily. Also, a 50 BMG will make a bigger hole, which saves valuable time.

Uplink 03-03-2015 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2154010)
HA! No guns involved in that video at all!
Here ya go Shutter!
http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3...cover-1088.jpg

Odd that as a left handed shooter (by the left side pistol holster, not the shooting position) she doesn't have a left handed ejection port.

Oh wait, is that not what we were supposed to be looking at? :D

Elkton86er 03-09-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ninedice (Post 2152184)
This is roughly on topic. The service manual says every 7.5k miles or 7.5 months but my dealership absolutely INSISTED that it is every 6 months and put a sticker on my window for 6 months. I was told my warranty could be voided if I didn't get it every 6 months even know the manual says 7.5 months and 7.5k miles. (I drive less than 3.5k a year).

Did you purchase an extended warranty through the dealership (not the Subaru one)? If so, have you read the fine print? I have seen these that require oil changes every 6 months or 5000 miles (whichever is sooner).

ninedice 03-10-2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elkton86er (Post 2161671)
Did you purchase an extended warranty through the dealership (not the Subaru one)? If so, have you read the fine print? I have seen these that require oil changes every 6 months or 5000 miles (whichever is sooner).

I cancelled it two weeks ago after reading through the fine print.

stugray 03-12-2015 02:44 PM

@M12Power (cant quote from page 2 for some reason) -
"I believe that’s actually against the law in the US (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). Toyota cannot refuse warranty work just because you take your car elsewhere for service. I believe it is also mentioned in the owners manual."

Here is another example of this happening:
"I have a seized 2013 BRZ from lack of oil. Subaru refused to acknowledge the warranty"

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Originally Posted by GWiZ (Post 2164803)
They were denying the claim due to a missing oil change that was done but apparently never documented Subaru. Thus questions whether it was done or done wrong. There was no leak, no signs of burning, etc. No heavy modifications added either.

The determining factor they didn't want to battle and agreed to settle was the fact the oil light never came on. Not when there was a little missing, a lot missing, or no oil period. I have proof from a reputable shop regarding that as well.

So new motor it is!


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84232

Tcoat 03-12-2015 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 2166234)
@M12Power (cant quote from page 2 for some reason) -
"I believe that’s actually against the law in the US (the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act). Toyota cannot refuse warranty work just because you take your car elsewhere for service. I believe it is also mentioned in the owners manual."

Here is another example of this happening:
"I have a seized 2013 BRZ from lack of oil. Subaru refused to acknowledge the warranty"




http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84232

We are again at the "had it done someplace else" and "proving I had it done someplace else". In the case you mention here the dealer had no record of it being done. I make bloody sure I get a print out from them every time just in case a computer error occurs!


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