i really hope you're trolling, but on the off chance you're not, i'll indulge you.

It says press and hold the traction button, it mentions the VSC indicator light on the dash illuminating, but it clearly says "Press and hold the <TCS BUTTON> for more than three seconds", nowhere in the instructions does it say to press the VSC button.

If trac won't go off when your car is stopped take it to the dealer cuz it should.

Vid or it never happened.



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Troller alert!!!

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Nope. That's only true if you just turn off tcs (press tcs button or hold for 2.99 seconds or less). If you hold it down for three seconds to turn off both it won't turn back on at 31mph.

Works at track speeds too for when you forget to turn the damn thing off before leaving the paddock :)

Apparently I was on crack last time I tried it cause I tried it when I got home in the driveway today and sure enough the TRAC turned off. Oh well, glad it works. Not sure what I did wrong last time but I'm over it. Thanks guys.

Wow! .. Thanks Everyone for that. XD

If the HP is same in Sport and OFF OFF (DRAG) ; I Prefer use Sport xD

I Dont Want Crash My FRS <3

Im Still waiting for GREDDY TURBO KIT or Subaru Turbo Kit for FRS/BRZ

I want to listen Turbo Sound on My FRS *-*

lol you can get full power by putting your foot to the floor!

VSC and traction is only for stabilty control and rear wheel spin. for the guys that have to ask about it i would recommend you press the VSC sport mode and then press the traction control button and let go straight away. (so that traction is off and teh green sport mode is displayed on the dash) this way if you are in a big slide the car will bring you back in to line if you start to get out to sideways.

This car can snap out violently if you don't know what you are doing, and you could end up sideways in to a tree or a oncoming car or something so, take it easy if you are not used to going sideways.

Take the car to a massive empty carpark or skidpan and pratice with the traction control off and then when you are more confident the sport mode on as well before you try and hold down the left button to turn everything off.

Brand new car, now some questions
 

Just picked mine 4 hours ago, finally came home and got on this! Im pumped, it looks just as good as it feels which is hard to find I feel with a 25K car.
I am to learn more about the sport buttons. Part of me wants to turn everything off and learn the old school way, yes ..no?

I dont know, I'd be careful cause its easy to get it to slide, but dont go doing anything stupid... lol

Not true. You can disable it all with a long hold on the left (tc) button. No pressing both, no reingaging, no stop needed. At highway speeds, you can turn it all on or off with the left button. All this other talk is nonsense.

Oh, and the sport mode is a joke. Considering how easily the car clears the 8 degrees of oversteer it takes to trigger it, it just brakes and yanks you backwards (often too far off center in the other direction) violently. It's a joke.

Good job quoting a post 10 months old...the discussion about me being wrong was approximately 3 posts later.

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Pedal dance time :)

I have to agree that the sport mode is kind-of a joke. It is good if you are driving spiritedly on a back road that you're unfamiliar with (for those pesky blind hairpins and turns over the crests of hills). However, if you know the road, it will just get in the way all the time. I generally drive with it all off by holding the left button down when I go for a fun drive.

So glad I found this thread! Although, the owner's manual definition of what *exactly* VSC Sport mode *is*...is not very satisfying.

Can anyone provide a better explanation? What exactly do the system(s) that VSC Sport turns off...do?

Guys is simple:

Vsc sport increase the limit of when the automatics step in and try to stop your rear to slide.

Everything off is everything off.

I suggest:

Rain: leave everything on unless you are really really good. I have gone in vsc sport mode once when it was really wet and rainy... Well at one roundabout I decided to see how much it would slide... It was not a progressive slide, one second I was straight half a second later I was with the rear by my side ahahah :) I was ready for it so I just slided for half the roundabout and then continue on my way... But was brutal if you compare to how this car normally start sliding.
With rain for me is: all on. It's too stressful to be ready every turn or acceleration you do to keep the car straight.

Road I don't know:
Vsc sport

Road I'm
Familiar with: all off

I agree with who say that VSC is shit... It's true. It try to counteract over steering and sliding so hard that usually it just makes the car slide on the opposite direction and it does it in a brutal way, it helps only if you start sliding and you didn't want to do it.

Little hint: be careful on tight corner and not good pavement or slightly wet pavement. I have Michelin alpin as winter tyres but I had few very bad under steering experience on tight corner, I know it's because I was not accelerating enough but the traction was cutting the power and the car instead of turning and sliding just went straight and I shit my pants twice ahaha :) it was my mistake for sure, just reporting my experience.

This is a good practical demonstration of the different modes.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8qggahGNH0"]Toyota 86 Traction Control Demonstration [SKIDPAD] - YouTube[/ame]

Yes it can. I've done it before at 60mph plus in the BRZ. In the FR-S I test drove, you have to be stopped. Not sure why there's a difference between the twins there.

Sport mode seems to be more meant for the AT's with only minor effects on MT.

I just do like I did in my STI: hold button till both modes turn off (in the STI it was just the VDC button: one press turned off VDC, long press for 3 seconds turned off both VDC and TC). It's just an easier button to find/hit in the 86 than in the STI. I only bother with just VSC Sport when I want VDC off but TC on (like dirty roads I'm canyon carving through). I only drive with all nannies on when weather is inclement.

Cool - Answered all my questions.
VSC Sport makes for a great ride!

So VSC on during rain wet roads is good or bad for experienced drivers?

Leave it on if you dont like going sideways, turn it off if you wana drift (in a safe location). I leave mine in Sports mode almost 100% of the time, even winter. I do find it stops me from sliding alot, I wish it would let me get a little more sideways before it kicks in though TBH.

I've turned mine off at well over 100km/h in my FRS, maybe it's something different with newer model years? (mine is an early build 2013)

Leave all the nannies fully on (like how it defaults when you start the car) for daily driving.

VSC Sport (pushing the VSC button) gives a tiny bit more slip angle before it steps in, but not much.

TC/VSC fully off (push and hold TC button for ~5 seconds) gives you no protection against sliding (other than ABS), you better be alert and expecting the rear to slide.

SPORT MODE Activated at all times is the way i like it,
had the care for about a full tank of gas, and ran it with all nannies on.
Now i used the sports mode a bit, and could really feel the playfulness.

Sport mode doesn't change anything except the allowed slip angle before VSC stops the fun. Unless you're on the limit and sliding the tail a bit, you won't ever feel the difference.

Eek, how i'd love to have some way of tuning that allowed slip angle. My skills are still not there to slide with TC/VSC off safely enough in all cases, so would love to still have VSC safeguards in place to correct biggest errors that might result in complete spin, especially in very low grip scenarious like on ice .. but interrupting/correcting at higher limits then in stock "sport" settings.
Pitty though i don't see that happening anymore if it hasn't been already done in these years since initial release of tripplets.

VSC and traction control are for girls!

maximum drifto!

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Well, if he has an AT, sport mode holds gears for longer before up shifting and (apparently) rev match downshifts during hard braking, but that's never happened to me before.

Pretty sure EcuTek racerom can do this, right @DeliciousTuning @moto-mike ?

canadaRS1.0: not if skills are not there to do it safely enough to not risk oneself, totaling car and even more so - others on roads, and if it's not cheap beater car but instead only one and daily driven at that, of whatever gender owner is. VSC is compromise, but imho not at best limit/level, there should be another intermediate step between it and fully of, or it should be tunable imho.

Hahaha!! Your not driving hard enough!! Go out on a back road and give your brakes a good squeeze but not to the point ABS kicks in and it will down shift. Only time its annoying is when a dumb kid runs out infront of you and it downshifts and you look like a ass. However I normally throw it in "manual" and downshift to help slow down before the corner when im driving spirted.

Likewise. However -


After a FULL Eneos flush + replacement, my slush box, for the first time and ever since, auto down shifts and rev matches noticeably and loudly, on sudden braking.


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Hmm, my 2015 FR-S 6AT auto downshifts with rev matching in manual mode every time at around 1500 RPM if I don't do it myself. Also, if you go below 7mph, in 2nd, it auto downshifts to 1st every time unless you're in snow mode.

Yup, we call it "transition control" because it is really designed to alter the power output based on slip percentage. We can then also bias it based on steering angle input which gives you--slip angle (provided you countersteer).

People make it sound like if you turn off the traction control your call will start sliding everywhere.

I have owned the car now for 1 year (don't do winter driving) and I always drive with my traction off on dry days and the car doesn't slide unless i really floor it like a crazy person and even then sometimes it doesn't slide or give out. Maybe because it's a 2015 model.

The only time i turn on VSC is if it's light rain.

If it heavy, then i keep all the traction controls on.

But seriously, on dry days, you can drive with everything off and be fine.

What makes it more fun trying to sort this out is that Automatics have two Sport buttons. One for traction and one for aggressive shift points.

@Mr.Impreza : In dry days, yes, imho safe enough with vsc off. With not deliberately trying drifting/power oversteer, careful driving and being able to correct if needed with countersteering, full tc/vsc off imho is safe enough even in winter and rain.

My point - to still have some safeguards to correct biggest mistakes if one deliberately/intentionally TRIES to drift/oversteer, to not spun out even if mistaken too much, when still learning/when skills are not there on reflex level yet. To have vsc kick in at bigger slip angles then at stock, not having it completely off or interrupting even at very slight slips.

Nice to hear, that it seems to be possible with EcuTek racerom, thanks @xjohnx & @moto-mike . Going to search more info on that, as sounds like something i wished.

That's how I have it as well, except when it's raining. Then I leave all the nannies on.

Nannies aren't there for when driving is easy. They're there for that "oh shit" moment where you've got a too-quick-to-think aggressive correction to make.

You might have a lot of HPDE time and be 100% comfortable with everything off. I'd wager most people, even if they have some notion intellectually of how to keep their car under control, and may have done so under controlled circumstances, will completely fail in an emergency situation.