It's not that hard, 'specially being an addict. I suck at sobriety.

Well at least there is no denial!

That's in Egypt right?

Most of it.

I choose to take the positive from your message. OTOH, if we ever have the chance to "race", realize my goal is to die.

I think this is the fifth young man that I have heard of that has managed to kill himself driving a twin. With some of the stupid things I have seen done with them it is obvious that it is a well made and very safe vehicle or there would be many more.

Sadly, this one will never learn from his mistake. The other driver is likely to have his life changed forever by the stupid decision to race and then run.

It only takes a second and one bad decision to change your life and the lives of everyone who cares about you forever.

This means the debate about the FRS being too slow is over right? I mean slow things don't end up looking like that.














Or maybe it's just a pos tin can.... ;)

The only people who think the FR-S is too slow are retards. Or miss the Gary reference.


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There is a bit of press sensationalism going on there as well.
If that had been a 75 year old man in a Cadillac that was speeding and unsafely passed a truck and wrapped around a pole would it have got the same coverage?
I highly doubt it as it would have probably been 3 lines in the paper, if reported at all.


As soon as the words "street racing" come into play and the style of car is seen it becomes big news.


How do they even know they were racing?
Although I don't think for one second they weren't the simple fact that they were speeding does not necessarily mean "racing". A BMW and I both passed a truck today and we were both over the speed limit but that does not, for one second, mean either of us were racing the other. The news report says they were "racing" before any type of investigation could possibly been completed so I presume the report was based solely upon the fact they were fast and sporty cars that were going too fast.

Deader was most likely a Tea Party dude or a French right-winger.

"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest."
~ Confucius

Article says believed to have been racing, likely based on the testimony of the truck driver that they both veered around who had a front row seat to the collision when they merged back in and hit each other.


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Like I said though I have no doubt they were but just because the driver thought they were is not real evidence. Not all cars that are speeding or poorly driven are automatically racing.

Around here that could have just been two d!ckheads that just wanted to get in the lane ahead of the other. I can't believe how many times I'll come up behind someone going 5mph under the speed limit, and when I go around to pass, sometimes (somehow) we both end up going like 30 over by the time I finally get past! And then once I get past the other guy usually drops back to his 5 under pace. I am definitely not racing, but I have no idea what goes on in these other people's heads. AND, 9x out of 10, if I slow down and slot back in behind they will go back to the 5mph under anyway, just making the situation that much better.

Not saying that's what happened, but I see it and experience it all the time.

I have to add also: if one of these idiots happen to lose control when they are 'racing' me or whatever the hell it is they think they are doing, I most definitely would not stop to see if they were ok. Is that ok?

Exactly, on a related note I engage in some legal but elevated risk activities such as flying, aerobatics, etc.


I have left specific instructions with my family that should I die by auguring a plane into the ground they are at no time to say "Well, at least he died doing something he loved" because I can guarantee them with an level of certainty that there was absolutely nothing I was enjoying about that last act!

Well you certainly get the point I was trying to make!


If somebody crashed during one of the events you described and there was any way that it could have been perceived that I was involved in racing I would stop for sure. Not so much out of concern for the other driver but to be able to present my version of what happened right up front. In this case the statement they were "believed" (thanks @Foobar I missed that one word before) was already made and since the other dude ran he could not repute it and it implies guilt (which there probably is but where is the evidence).


I know I seem to always dispute such things on here but that is just because I have spent almost 3 decades investigating incidents and learned a long time ago that first appearances, assumptions, perceptions and the whole "well the result was this so that had to be the cause" mentality is very rarely correct. Show me some evidence beyond one guy that would have seen then for 5 or 10 seconds saying "well yep sure done did look like racen' to me".
Again (for the guys that are going to say "they were racing" I suspect they were racing but with the info availableI don't know it!

If you look on the second link, you will see a clear shot showing the separation of the b-pillar from the roof. It is possible (without looking at the car personally) that the driver was wearing his seatbelt. The upper mounting point for the drivers belt is no longer in place, and could be the cause of his ejection.

That or a James-Bond style ejector seat. But I'm thinking the former rather than the latter.

But unless you are SAPD, it's all speculation. Condolences to his family and friends, regardless of the circumstances of his death.

I'll never forget the video that has since been taken down on youtube. 2 cars driving down a multi lane highway. BMW full of young boys pulls up to their friends who are filming them. Guys in the BMW are laughing, have their windows rolled down, and you can clearly see the passengers both in the front and rear seats of the car. Some words are exchanged to the car filming, they down shift, and take off. Around 100 mph while shifting lanes to pass traffic, the rear slips out for whatever reason. The BMW slides out and impacts a tree and explodes immediately. You feel a chill when the friends filming shout in terror. Literally 30s prior, they were side by side on the freeway and life was all fun and giggles. Young boys and cars can be a deadly concoction.

I live about 5 miles from where this accident took place and let me tell you there's at least 2 accidents a day right there and very frequently there's a very bad accident like this one. I was actually driving by last night and there's a cross and flowers where the incident occurred. You can still see the glass and some debris on the concrete.

When I saw it on the news and realized it was an frs it gave me chills. What a tragic way to go.

Learn from the mistakes of others, you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Tromatic brain injury

The driver of the FRS is clearly the one who survived.
The driver of the Ummm....... whatever that was clearly would not have made it even if they stayed in the car.

On a Lighter note, look for a perfectly good FRS engine and trans for sale in a texas salvage yard.

The "whatever that was" was the FR-S, which was torn in half when it hit a telephone pole. There's only one car shown in that video. It's confusing because there's a shot of it from behind, where you can't tell what it is, then a side shot of the same car where you can see that it's an FR-S with the back half ripped off.

The two cars collided, which apparently didn't cause a whole lot of damage. But then the FR-S hit the telephone pole, which cut it in half. That's when the guy was ejected.

The other driver drove away. You don't see his car in the video.

Now we can debate whether the FR-S driver would have survived inside that, but he had a better chance of surviving while strapped into that seat than after flying through the air and impacting the ground or other solid, immovable object with his own body.

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old, bold pilots.

You're right. Racing will almost always be blamed. When I was young and stupid, I did some ridiculous speeding that resulted into a roll over. Although my car was the only one around, "witnesses" claimed I was racing and tried to blame my friends in the other cars that showed up 5-10 minutes later. I've learned my lesson from that stupidity since then and I'm very thankful to have survived. But, recklessness and racing doesn't necessarily come hand in hand.

What a dumbass. You reap what you sow. this is Darwinism at its finest.

dibs .

Few people have learned in the 100 years since the car has been around in any numbers!
This shit has happened everywhere, all the time ever since there were two cars on the road at the same time.
The big difference now is people are more aware of it (thanks a lot F&F) and the cars are much more powerful at an earlier entry level.
On the plus side newer cars have a passenger crash survivability rate that surpasses the older ones by many, many times.
There was a day when a 20mph crash would likely be fatal and even as far as into the early 80s a 50mph crash would be more likely to be deadly then now.
Soooo the moral of the story is ... there has always been and there will always be, dumbasses ripping around the streets and sometimes they will die horrifically!
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Wow racing with only 2HP! Do I see a FRS vs Amish Buggy thread in the future?

Make it a circuit battle because the horse has more torque off the line, but buggies corner for shit.

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Not so sure about that.
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No way. That cart was pre-ackermann. 86 would gain back in the corners.

@Twin4Life this is where you come in!

Oh, dirt course, eh? It's on Ezeikiel! :paddle:

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Oh I was talking stock. If we are going to go the modified rally version then that is different!
You damned FRS owners think you can beat everything on the road don't you!!!!
Well try this on for size:
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That day in San Antonio was a freeze warning from Friday night going into Saturday afternoon. Either he was drunk or doing something stupid. I've seen a blue FR-S in that area a couple of times. May he rest in peace.

Might not want to mention that to Bob Hoover!

I found this:
In 1869, Irish scientist Mary Ward was riding in a steam-powered automobile built by her cousins. As they rounded a bend in the road, Ward was thrown from her seat and fell in the vehicle’s path. One of the wheels rolled over her and broke her neck, killing her instantly.

Wear you're seat belt!!!