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kevman_101 12-05-2014 04:31 PM
You think a Kia Optima handles better then a Mazda 6? LOL

AyJay 12-05-2014 04:49 PM
There is much more to being fast than just acceleration times... unfortunately Average Joe Public is not sophisticated enough to understand this. 95% of drivers on the road do not have the skill set or even the understanding of how to appreciate a car that doesn't rely on a v8 for speed.

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kevman_101 (Post 2045884)
You think a Kia Optima handles better then a Mazda 6? LOL

You saying it doesn't?

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jond63 (Post 2045765)
I'd be willing to bet that in an autocross between all those sedans , the Mazda6 would win. Assuming the same competent driver of course.

That Zoom-Zoom ain't no joke, haha!

/sarcasm?

Or do you really think a mazda 6 grand touring is going to be better than a subaru legacy 3.6r in an autoX course?

mhughett 12-05-2014 06:01 PM
I'd like to know who thinks that a Nissan Juke, Toyota Corolla, Chevy Impala and Dodge Dart actually "look fast".

themadscientist 12-05-2014 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jdd (Post 2045542)
I just see it as Merica supporting Merican products because they are losing so much market share here in North America. If you take the rednecks of Merica out of the mix, I don't think anybody WANTS to drive Merican automobiles.

Some people just prefer a horribly inefficient V8 to a properly tuned flat 4. Why? 'cause Merica!
So much silliness here it boggles the mind. :laughabove:

Go look for a new Mustang and test your theory. After he pulls over and waits for 15 minutes for you to catch up, you can brag about how much gas you saved while he was stomping a mud hole in your ass.

I'm sure people are sticking LS1s in everything because they come from America. Dude, you exhibit the same blind allegiance to a product that you claim motivates others. Don't be so painfully ironic. :slap:

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2045995)
So much silliness here it boggles the mind. :laughabove:

Go look for a new Mustang and test your theory. After he pulls over and waits for 15 minutes for you to catch up, you can brag about how much gas you saved while he was stomping a mud hole in your ass.

I'm sure people are sticking LS1s in everything because they come from America. Dude, you exhibit the same blind allegiance to a product that you claim motivates others. Don't be so painfully ironic. :slap:

When you point a finger, 3 more point back at you.

themadscientist 12-05-2014 06:13 PM
Truth is truth. Don't hate the messenger. And I point like Tosh.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwwfwj9Plu1qf6lcl.png

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2046002)
Truth is truth. Don't hate the messenger. And I point like Tosh.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwwfwj9Plu1qf6lcl.png

What truth are you speaking of? This isn't a Twin vs. XXXX thread.

The post you quoted said a "Tuned flat 4".

I know of a couple tuned flat 4's that screams "That dude is a mustang fanboi!".

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 06:30 PM
Wait, @themadscientist doesn't even own a twin.

If you're looking to troll some car forums, you picked the right place. We eat it up here.:dnftt:

themadscientist 12-05-2014 06:31 PM
oooooh, "tuned." Scary. Please continue, I'm entertained.

themadscientist 12-05-2014 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2046023)
Wait, @themadscientist doesn't even own a twin.

If you're looking to troll some car forums, you picked the right place. We eat it up here.:dnftt:
You should search.

And, QFT.

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Originally Posted by BRGT86 (Post 2044696)
when truth becomes "hating"... h8rz g0nna h8

chaoskaze 12-05-2014 06:43 PM
Thing is the advertisment for north american market emphasis strongly on 0-60 time (which in our car requires an extra shift) pretty sure twins dont get slower after passing 80-90 miles like most other car in their comparison... cuz our car aint geared toward low end torque or 0-60 time. Just saying cuz I used to drive a camry......and that thing doesnt wanna move after passing 85miles on odometer.

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chaoskaze (Post 2046040)
Thing is the advertisment for north american market emphasis strongly on 0-60 time (which in our car requires an extra shift) pretty sure twins dont get slower after passing 80-90 miles like most other car in their comparison... cuz our car aint geared toward low end torque or 0-60 time. Just saying cuz I used to drive a camry......and that thing doesnt wanna move after passing 85miles on speedometer.
FIFY

themadscientist 12-05-2014 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chaoskaze (Post 2046040)
Thing is the advertisment for north american market emphasis strongly on 0-60 time (which in our car requires an extra shift) pretty sure twins dont get slower after passing 80-90 miles like most other car in their comparison... cuz our car aint geared toward low end torque or 0-60 time. Just saying cuz I used to drive a camry......and that thing doesnt wanna move after passing 85miles on odometer.
I was reading a piece on the marketing strategy stateside on the cars and they have really screwed this up. You have a great platform, easily the most balanced car off the showroom floor I have ever driven, and some dipshit wants to sell it like a Camaro. Couple that with dealers who similarly have no idea what the product is and talk at their customers rather than listen to what matters to them and the sales figures are actually astonishing as they come DESPITE the marketing.

Both the dealers I worked with owned BRZs themselves. Both were as excited as I was about the car and happy to let me sit in it and discuss their philosophies on the car. They were themselves fans of the car and driving enthusiasts and that made it even easier to decide to buy the car. Unlike some, I knew what the car was and that's what I was after. When my buddies asked me about my day long test drive of the rental I summed it up thus. "I don't have to change a damned thing. Subaru built ME a car." :wub:

strat61caster 12-05-2014 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2045965)
/sarcasm?

Or do you really think a mazda 6 grand touring is going to be better than a subaru legacy 3.6r in an autoX course?
I was content letting it go that there is more competition out there than I expected, but then I started digging into your claims. Not only does that vehicle cost ten thousand dollarsmore than the base Mazda6, it didn't actually compare very well according to Car and Driver.

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But as a smaller company, Subaru would serve the Legacy well by leveraging a tad more of the zing found in its cult models. Rethinking the CVT would be a good place to start, because it only lowers the bar for the 3.6R. As it stands now, the Legacy 3.6R feels more like a sedan version of the Outback than a true competitor to mid-size stalwarts such as the Honda Accord and the Mazda 6.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

The Subaru weighs 600 lbs. more, no manual transmission option, has a longer braking distance and loses out on the skidpad by 0.08g. Yes I'll take the Mazda. The victor will be determined mostly by the track layout and if it rewards power or handling, at least at the end of the day odds are I'll have a bigger smile getting out of the Mazda than the Subie even if I am slower.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review

In a heads up comparison of fully loaded four bangers they gave the 6 the nod over the Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4

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It also loves a challenge, responding swiftly and predictably to stern commands. Although skidpad grip and slalom times are identical to the Accord’s, the 6 achieves those numbers with more confidence. Grip is more consistent, slides start later, and tighter body control makes the 6 feel more athletic on the canyon roads north of Los Angeles where we compared the two.
:iono:

themadscientist 12-05-2014 07:03 PM
So, Dizzle. Did you put your e-penor away? Are we done? I was promised so much.

frsvr4 12-05-2014 07:12 PM
Haha I love my 6 spd mazda6 because it's reliable, was super cheap brand new (2010 - they couldn't sell the manuals), and has a decent interior. Couldn't honestly tell you how it handles because its FWD and, well, why?

This thread did not go as OP expected :D but yeah, MSM sucks. Show your disapproval by giving your "clicks" to some other sites. I love that the first rational voice in this thread was a former 3000GT owner -- someone whose seen ample, actually ignorant, "hating".

tahdizzle 12-05-2014 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2046048)
I was content letting it go that there is more competition out there than I expected, but then I started digging into your claims. Not only does that vehicle cost ten thousand dollarsmore than the base Mazda6, it didn't actually compare very well according to Car and Driver.


I specifically stated the mazda 6 grand touring which IN FACT has an MSRP of (Drum Roll) $30,690, and ONLY comes in a 6 speed automatic.

And a Subaru Legacy 3.6R has a base MSRP of (Drum Roll) 30,390.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

That review is garbage because they don't even know what the results were from their own tests!

In that article they have the 3.6r 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. In the margin to the right, plain as day, they have the mazda 6 @ 7.9.

The Subaru weighs 600 lbs. more, no manual transmission option, has a longer braking distance and loses out on the skidpad by 0.08g. Yes I'll take the Mazda. The victor will be determined mostly by the track layout and if it rewards power or handling, at least at the end of the day odds are I'll have a bigger smile getting out of the Mazda than the Subie even if I am slower.

Man. That car and driver article is sooo biased. Yes, the mazda 6 had a higher lateral Gs on a skid pad. BUT did you read exactly how it was tested? 3.6r was tested via 300 ft diameter on the skid-pad. The mazda 6 was tested on a 200 ft diamter. You have to test the same to be able to compare the two.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rt-test-review

In a heads up comparison of fully loaded four bangers they gave the 6 the nod over the Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-4



:iono:

You should actually read what you decide to cite.

totopo 12-05-2014 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2044719)
Completely factual and I see no signs of hate anyplace. In fact they actually point out that the cars are not meant for a straight line run. The cars do look faster (in a straight line) then they are.

Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling.


Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ

With a focus on suspension tuning and handling, the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ are some of the most capable autocross cars straight off the dealer lots. But their straight-line acceleration doesn't quite live up to the exterior's sporty styling. While the pair can deliver a 0-60 mph sprint in the low 6.0-second range and a quarter-mile pass in the high 14.0-second range, their slippery profile would suggest much quicker acceleration.
I dunno how factual that statement is :). Maybe if you say for its price, but otherwise there are quite a bit of cars in the inelligible, SS, AS, and BS groups ahead of it.:D

abraxis 12-05-2014 07:59 PM
Good god, no matter what thread I click on they're all the same.

Tcoat 12-05-2014 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by abraxis (Post 2046117)
Good god, no matter what thread I click on they're all the same.
Yep!

Tcoat 12-05-2014 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2046116)
I dunno how factual that statement is :). Maybe if you say for its price, but otherwise there are quite a bit of cars in the inelligible, SS, AS, and BS groups ahead of it.:D
Looks fast but really isn't is a very apt description.
Granted I would have agreed even more with the statement (as somebody already said) "Looks faster then it really is".
I am not one of the "oh god it is sooo slow" crowd but do agree it looks like it should go faster.

tennisfreak 12-05-2014 08:20 PM
Jeeze too many people are getting their panties in a wad over this.

I read the article and dont think it is hating.

What they say is true, our car IS SLOW and it does LOOK FAST.

Hell even after spending upwards of $2000 in exhaust mods and a tune IT IS STILL SLOW.

abraxis 12-05-2014 08:30 PM
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Jond63 12-05-2014 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2045965)
/sarcasm?

Or do you really think a mazda 6 grand touring is going to be better than a subaru legacy 3.6r in an autoX course?
Not at all -- Mazda continues to design and deliver cars with much better and sportier handling than pretty much all of its competition. I'm pretty sure that Legacy will pitch and roll as it understeers its way through the course much more than the Mazda. Maybe someday I will find out.

FRiSson 12-08-2014 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mhughett (Post 2045989)
I'd like to know who thinks that a Nissan Juke, Toyota Corolla, Chevy Impala and Dodge Dart actually "look fast".
The Juke looks fast. Warthogs are wicked fast - 30mph according to National Geographic.

Mr.Impreza 12-08-2014 11:08 AM
I don't know msn......the speed limit everywhere is at a point where even a Nissan Micra or a Honda Fit is well fitted to the street.

I drive the FRS at like 60km/h everyday...since i mostly city commute.

If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it

Defuser 12-08-2014 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2048243)
I don't know msn......the speed limit everywhere is at a point where even a Nissan Micra or a Honda Fit is well fitted to the street.

I drive the FRS at like 60km/h everyday...since i mostly city commute.

If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it

I agree with this, traffic is a social equalizer. I go just as fast as a Lambo when I'm stuck in traffic. I get frustrated sitting bumper-to-bumper in my FRS, I can't imagine how much more frustrating it must be behind the wheel of a supercar. All that power, nowhere to go... :mad0260:

fang_gt86 12-08-2014 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2048243)
If i owned a exotic sports car i would still be driving 60km/h.....just wasting more on gas doing it
If I can afford/own an exotic/supercar, you think I'd care much about how much gas my car use?

Demandred7 12-08-2014 12:22 PM
The FR-S definitely looks faster than it is. Slow - it is not. Of course a lot of how fast you think it is has to do with other cars that you have driven. This is just my experience.

On a positive note, it is one of the fastest in the sideshow.

rubberband 12-08-2014 12:30 PM
The twins are sheep in wolves' clothing. I think everyone knows that. I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.


They are awesomely fun daily drivers, though.

Koa 12-08-2014 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2046047)
I was reading a piece on the marketing strategy stateside on the cars and they have really screwed this up. You have a great platform, easily the most balanced car off the showroom floor I have ever driven, and some dipshit wants to sell it like a Camaro. Couple that with dealers who similarly have no idea what the product is and talk at their customers rather than listen to what matters to them and the sales figures are actually astonishing as they come DESPITE the marketing.

Both the dealers I worked with owned BRZs themselves. Both were as excited as I was about the car and happy to let me sit in it and discuss their philosophies on the car. They were themselves fans of the car and driving enthusiasts and that made it even easier to decide to buy the car. Unlike some, I knew what the car was and that's what I was after. When my buddies asked me about my day long test drive of the rental I summed it up thus. "I don't have to change a damned thing. Subaru built ME a car." :wub:
well said chap, hope the rest of the process goes smooth for you! Once you get yours, you may soon find that this isn't a holistic end-all platform... there's plenty of room for improvement. Having to and wanting to are definitely in their own realistic arenas

But I agree with you for the most part- the only thing in my mind I >had< to change was the clutch screw adjustment. After that, it was damn close to perfect imo as far as RWD sub 50k sportscar category is concerned. (that bottomless chasm of a wheel gap and on terrible stocker tires, though.... guess what changed shortly after ;) )

Koa 12-08-2014 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rubberband (Post 2048332)
The twins are sheep in wolves' clothing. I think everyone knows that. I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.


They are awesomely fun daily drivers, though.
To save money and r&d time, they could have just threw on Forester XT oil coolers. But at the end of the day, we actually save money by being able to buy those on the wholesale discount and spend the hour or so putting it on ourselves :)

djmm 12-08-2014 05:05 PM
I looked at M5 and some 328i and must say those cars are sweet. It feels nice when you sit in it, driving position feels good, interior feels good, didn't test drive it but pretty sure it handles well.

Made me wanted to buy it. Didn't have the same feeling with Audi.

themadscientist 12-08-2014 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rubberband (Post 2048332)
I just wish they came with a well-engineered oil cooler or something stock so that they were actually track/autox ready. You know, the way they've been marketed.
They do, just not stateside. A hair cheaper than the top level model and you get an oil cooler, tow hooks, brake ducts of a sort, 4 point harness and a roll cage with cutout floor mats and disabled side air bags on steelies.

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/raracing/

http://toyota.jp/customize/86/racing/equipment.html

I'll probably chane the wheels purely for the aesthetic. The stock ones, even the 17s are not just too narrow, their ugly. Top notch head unit to plug into the six speaker system in the S and to display the torque app for me and big ole oil cooler. I'm done. As things begin to exhibit weakness I'll address them, but at this point I don't have anything else on the to do list. The smaller slave cylinder idea another member came up with seems like the fix to the vague clutch, but honestly, I go used to it pretty quick.

Koa 12-08-2014 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2048779)
They do, just not stateside. A hair cheaper than the top level model and you get an oil cooler, tow hooks, brake ducts of a sort, 4 point harness and a roll cage with cutout floor mats and disabled side air bags on steelies.

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/raracing/

http://toyota.jp/customize/86/racing/equipment.html
sexy af

chaoskaze 12-08-2014 05:36 PM
This is amazing lol

themadscientist 12-08-2014 05:43 PM
They were more amazing when they were as fast as they looked.

http://www.powermag.gr/assets/galler...m/IMG_7206.jpg

daiheadjai 12-08-2014 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Defuser (Post 2048246)
I agree with this, traffic is a social equalizer. I go just as fast as a Lambo when I'm stuck in traffic. I get frustrated sitting bumper-to-bumper in my FRS, I can't imagine how much more frustrating it must be behind the wheel of a supercar. All that power, nowhere to go... :mad0260:
I'd go insane if I drove a super car in Toronto traffic.
As it is, the BRZ is always raring to go - the moment there's a break in traffic or an empty off ramp/on ramp, it's fun time.


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