Blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah.

Go kick rocks.

My other car is actually a minivan - don't judge me, it is a very useful vehicle when you have kids and want to haul stuff too. Excuse me for not always having the best of cars (only some have been half decent):

82 Dodge Diplomat
87 Grand Am
96 Sunfire GT (might have been 97)
2000 Grand Am GT
Acura RSX Premium - cannot remember what year (2002?)
2009 Corolla XRS
And now FR-S

I've driven nicer cars, but, haven't owned them.

I've also been out of school for a long time. ;)

Interesting to see how polarizing this car can be. You have pro drivers, reviewers, and regular owners who rave about it and compare it as a drivers' car to some of the great Porsches and exotics, and then you have other guys who hate it and think it's barely worth $14k lol. Regardless, everyone seems to have a strong reaction to it one way or another, depending where they fall on the spectrum.

Personally, I love mine. Incredible value for the money. It's not a perfect car, but it's the perfect car for me right now. On my daily commute, it's awesome being able to redline the engine and downshift to pass, and not be in license revocation territory (this was an issue when I had my 310 hp Boxster S). On the weekends, you can hit the track with it and exploit the fantastic handling if you know what you're doing. It is fairly neutral at the limit, but quite forgiving beyond it as well. Whatever you want the car to do (oversteer, power oversteer, understeer, trail-brake/lift-throttle), it will respond. Also offers good feedback, excellent seating position, responsive steering and brakes, etc. And when you want to get serious about lap times, a few simple mods will go a long way.

As a bonus, these cars happen to be great looking, practical compared to most sports cars, and fuel efficient.

My only real qualm about a stock FR-S/BRZ is the engine note, but a good exhaust or header makes that an easy fix.

Glad to know you "enjoyed" the twins so much, but now you could go back to your awd and turbo, that'll cure you of all your "headaches" of our underpowered, sloppy shifting, "lack" of grip cornering, and actually learning how to drive.

Really though, I think you found someone who abused their brz or frs, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Texas, eh?

I'm curious as to where in Texas. Sounds like Houston to me.

Have you test driven a Genesis 3.8L? That sounds more up your alley for power and Hyundai is just giving them away at deep discounts.

Wait you think the frs is slow... Well I guess I'll have to sell it and buy a v6 Camry and boost it so I can have a fast car... Why don't you go on the honda forums and complain to the s2000 owners how much you hate the car cause I guarantee no one on this forum cares


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So I went from an E46 M3 to an FRS (which actually oversteers more then the BRZ) exactly because it did the very thing you're complaining about.

The FT86 platform car's aren't like AWD cars (or most RWD cars for that matter). When driven correctly they rotate. The front end digs in and the rear slips out a little. Here's a car that damn near does exactly what you tell it to do. You have to manage weight transfer with this car. The only reason why that rear end stepped out was because either you were transferring weight forward (stepping on the brakes / lifting off the throttle) or you didn't transfer enough weight back.

When you screw up driving this car it lets you know and it does so in a way that dosen't kill you. It's exposes the the ability (or lack thereof) of the driver.

Every AWD car I've ever driven understeers. Even car's like M3's and 370z's have some understeer built into them because very few drivers know how to safely manage oversteer. Subaru added understeer to the BRZ because they felt their customers would prefer a car that behaved a little more like an AWD car. Eventually Toyota did the same with the GT86/FR-S for the 2015 model year.

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I think you should buy a used BRZ. Leave the suspension alone, buy some stickier tires of the same size (for your safety) and learn how to drive it.

:cheers:

Exactly what I thought. Smells like a honda troll coming over to try and crap on a good car, because he wants a **** measuring contest. Only 2 posts, and an account made specifically to bash the car?

No, bad it doesn't have 90000hp, so it can't be one

Its not a true drivers car if it can't go in a straight line at Mach 6

Lol. Don't you remember that Mustangs are for pricks? Oh wait....you're right :D

why come on here to say, "I don't like it",


???


Troll LOL... get a girlfriend dude

Trading mine in for a camaro TODAY.

First paragraph states the op intends to add a turbo. The first "gripe" is that the car is underpowered to the point of sacrilege. This post is total contradiction....time to move on.

PS I'll try and remember to stay out of the way of the occasional Forrester at the track!

I can't believe I read the whole thread .....http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/banghead.gif


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I feel bad for the members here that entertained the OP with lengthy responses. His post reads as extremely arbitrary. Number of spark plugs == ease of maintenance? Get real.

Clearly, the OP had something very specific in mind before test driving the car, and was disappointed to find that it wasn't an exact representation of it.

You dont need to boost it.
My Solara v6 is faster off the line than my BRZ.

Anybody can critique the car (and they do) but blatantly false and the same old "this car sucks because it's not a Italian super car or American muscle car or whine car x is better solely because it has more horsepower" are the same old tired topics on every car forum.

The tolerance for the fucking retardness of a thread is in direct proportion to its entertainment value. This thread isn't yet very entertaining. I see potential though!

Since I doubt we will see any pictures that prove the "soarer" exists I took the liberty of posting the OP's choice for Inexpensive Sports car of the Year!

I really don't care what he thinks about the twins, and shouldn't anybody in their sane state of mind... i wouldn't go to a mustang's forum to write how much i don't like them and try to be smart about it because that what a***s do....he is the one that is missing out jajaja

Xt=turd.

Soarer=cool boat.

Stopped reading after tpms. Troll.

Thread sucks.

Troll. Implying the MT in a Soarer is better LOL

tl;dr

http://33.media.tumblr.com/f3d818b93...11u8o1_400.gif

The E93 M3 oversteers like a mofo if you switch TC off... just saying... lol

Difference in power to the FR-S I guess...

Confirmed. I was driving my buddy's and didn't know TC was fully disabled and we were in launch mode...

Much fun so smoke many sideways such smile.

LOL @ this thread. Trolling at it's finest.

I want all the time I spent in this thread back...

But to answer the OP's questions, because I just feel like it:

Answers the OP deserves:

1. You wouldn't improve handling doing that as much as you would doing the following - decrease tire size from stock to 205/45-17 on Max Performance tires and change wheels to a lightweight 17x7.5 +40 to +45 fitment all around. Less unsprung weight with grippier tire compounds lead to an agile car that grips and changes direction so fast it will blow your concept of the deForester being a sports car out of the water as the FR-S passes it from the outside of a high speed, decreasing radius turn.... (passing on the inside would probably be safer for the FRS though as the deForester understeers and starts plowing out (and earning it's name) from going too fast trying to keep up... that's the beauty of AWD. :lol:

2. No changes to suspension really needed with a power upgrade... There are other ways to make the ride quality better without even touching the factory suspension (mainly strut tower brace and reduction in unsprung weight...) I'm still running the paltry factory power levels that are absolutely abysmal (who in their right mind accepts 200hp in cars these days, doesn't matter how light they are...hp is hp!), but I'd imagine 300HP to the wheels would make it a whole other experience and absolutely blow my mind.

But I wouldn't waste my time with 300HP when you could put a 2JZ in it (sourced from a Soarer perhaps...) and have an excellent daily driver with 600hp. Because 600hp is probably just about perfect for a daily driver vehicle. Though I will say even with the abysmal stock power levels I have received 2 speeding tickets in the last 2 1/2 years (I'm serious - the car actually is fast enough, just barely though, to get speeding tickets - stock(ish)! I'm freaking AMAZED it can do that with it's pathetic stock(ish) hp and torque level!) A 600hp FRS would be great for that Bugatti Veyron that is always challenging me at the stop light drags - keep telling him to hold his horses, my 2JZ-GTE hasn't come in yet...race war demands have put them on back order for quite a while now.

Race war. That made me laugh.

Just wait till those V12 wear down! I replaced my 6,500 mile Primacy's with a set of V12's on Rotas (bought as a set used, price paid basically for used rims bc tires were worn). I decided to test how much grip worn V12's had against the slippery stock Primacy's - dorifto city!! OMG, I want to keep the V12's on a spare set of rims just to go sideways! Zero grip. Makes the Primacy's feel like glue - which they're far from it. (I have Pilot SS on my other car and their grip is incredible.).

The Primacy's scream when you get the back end loose - alerting LEO within a mile radius. The V12's are silent as they glide across the SoCal dry roads like they were covered in fresh winter powder.

My V12's are stock sized though on a 7.75" rim, so slightly lower profile. Pilot SS will make their way on to my car at some point.


To the OP, if you are serious, then your concerns have been addressed above in the replies. Find another car for $25-30k new that is lightweight and handles and has a great aftermarket support to transform the car into anything from mild to wild. That said, you can buy a used Corvette for $25-30k that will wipe the floor with the BRZ even after mods. There's a total package thing about the BRZ, and especially for those of us who want a back seat, or go to pick up a set of 4 wheels off Craigslist/NASIOC, the BRZ makes a very fun DD that will put a smile on your face at legal speeds. I'm sure the Forester XT, 600hp Soarer, and Corvette have a tough time being fun at 35mph. (This coming from an owner of a 300hp WRX, a 450hp BMW M/Dinan, and someone who has lots of wheel time in C5 and C6 Vettes. All those cars don't get fun until 80mph+. The BMW is a hoot at 120+, but over engineered for legal speeds. I've got $40k in mods in the BMW, and aside from a large track, there's no place to really use that for more than a second or two on the streets. The BRZ in completely stock form is more fun to drive than the other two cars I have.)

I just dump the clutch and put the hammer down :D

:burnrubber: :burnrubber:

^graphic description of when I pulled out of the dealership last week

OP wrote, "I like the 'glued-to-the-ground' driving feeling of... my turbo Forester".

I LOL'd.

Cheaper maintenance due to 2 less spark plugs.

I lol'd.

Maybe I got the E# wrong. His is a 2013 M3 with the DCT so no clutch. E92 maybe? Hence my surprise when I dropped the hammer from a stoplight and we just sat there smokin tires. He neglected to mention launch control enables in the full M mode. LoL.

The first response to this thread should have been...

"Cool story, Bro."

Who cares how much you're willing to spend? Some people pay $60K + for a loaded Sequoia SUV but you don't see us trolling over to the soccermomforums.net and talking shit.

Eh, I love my car...wether I'm driving it or it's just sitting in a parking space. When was the last time you walked away from your Forester and took a second look back just to admire it?

My BRZ still awes me after 14 months...fast or not.

They came in manual and Double clutch...

This has already been said earlier in the thread but the twins' tendency to go sideways easily is because of the stock tires and is done on purpose. Its set up that way so you can experience 'at the limit' handling at really accessible speeds. Sure you can easily get the car to stick by upgrading to better rubber but you'd probably be better off with a used WRX.

IMO if you're complaining that its easy to get the rear to step out, you're missing the point of this car and you should look elsewhere.

That's why I'm pretty sure that was a troll post. That's somebody who knows about having to lift the engine for the spark plug service and threw that in there as a hint.

Same here. Not a day goes by that I don't turn back at least once, usually every time I leve the car. :-)

To the OP, please buy a car that you "get", the twins are probably not your cup of tea.

So that is what a Soarer is. Didn't Top Gear rate that as "The World's shittiest Car"? I am pretty sure it did.

iBoost, I agree with every word of your post. Run over to the BMW forums and wait for me there. Grab a snack, it may be a while before I arrive.