^Again mostly untrue. The benefit of most high-end dampers (Penske, Sachs, MCS, Ohlins, JRZ, custom Bilsteins, Koni race) is the compliance and grip they provide over rough patches (how many smooth tracks do you know? this is not Japan!!), while maintaining tire contact and grip = this is what you are paying $$$ for and the very characteristic is what makes them very comfortable on the street. As long as the valving is properly matched for the car and the spring, the shock should be able to be adjusted for the street.

Again, this is the motorsports section....the brands I mentioned are what I consider "high-end". You're experience and opinion obviously is very different. I expect that you do not have any first hand knowledge on custom tuned applications from any of the brands I mentioned.

Regardless of purchase price, I don't consider BuddyClub, Stance, BC, etc...to be "high-end". I assume that most people who frequent this section of the forum think similarly.

You often put FA in the same sentence as Ohlins, Penske, JRZ, Moton and imply that FA's top end product is one the same level, yet "better" for the street. I don't really understand your logic.

Personally, I think FA is in the same level as Stance, BC, etc...Those brands are all similar featuring all the catch phrase bells and whistles (monotube, adjustable, Xmm size piston, X # of clicks, X type of coating, X type bearings), yet when it comes to any real competition where performance can be measured I fail to see their name anywhere.

If FA has the performance and we just don't know about it, SHOW US!!

I'd like you to go back in this specific thread and find where I wrote FA anywhere...I never did so I suggest not putting words in my mouth. You are also hijacking the thread for something I didn't even say so sorry to the OP

I personally think the OP should go for a JRZ RS Pro for his application IMO He's doing pretty extensive tracking and has the budget based on what he said. I in no way feel that FA is better than JRZ and I clarified what I was saying in the other thread. We sell JRZ, Ohlins and KW to many customers as well as just as many FA, it's based on the customers needs.

Since you ask, specifically in regards to Fortune Auto, here are some recent racing accomplishments (posted in my other thread):

For real word "data" a set of Fortune Auto Dreadnought 2-ways were what won the 1-Lap of America (in its class) for 2013 in a BRZ/FRS (That's 10 tracks in 10 days with 4000 miles of driving between tracks). I'm certain it was a lot of supporting mods and the most important driver mod, but Fortune Auto has had major success in racing.

Recently an Evo9 running the FA Dreadnought 2-way and took 4 seconds off his lap time from his previous year when he was running a different 2-way setup with no other mod changes, just changing to the FA 2-way. An EvoX with an FA 500 setup with Swift's broke the record for the Enthusiast Class at Global Time Attack. There's the infamous Fortune Auto FWD Civic which ran the Global Time Attack Unlimited 510 series broke numerous records. While I know Global Time Attack doesn't test suspension to it's max potential, it's a decent gauge. These are just some of the numerous examples but they are irrelevant to this topic.


Sorry for any hijacking of this thread to the OP. PM if you need any help whatsoever deciding between the many brands and their specs.


Cheers,
Jason

Just gonna leave this here from earlier in the thread.

Are you in Norcal or Socal?

SF Bay area (south bay)

What???? u r??? we should meet up and exchange some experience!!! I have full SPL set up you can check them out, the SPL LCA is awesome ultra high quality part. The reason I went full SPL cuz my alignment will change after each track day likely due to flexing of the subframe, now with SPL full links set up with eccentric lockout bolt, it solves the problem!!

Yep, I live in Sunnyvale specifically. I'm always up to chat and talk shop though my experience is limited on most parts of the car. That said, I've managed to get most of my free time committed to track related stuff for the next month and a half (either with HPDE days, car being in shop to get a roll bar or, perhaps most excitingly, my first Lemons race and some prep for that).

Ya i hate down time cuz it takes away my track time which is the most important, 86 platform is pretty amazing stock and with better tires i was able to shave 8-10 seconds off lap time, i hv been carefully researching and adding parts one by one making sure it is functional and track worthy, i will be very happy to share all my experience with parts and shops i hv dealt with in the past!! Hope to see u at the track some day, too!


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I've met a couple of people on here already, and at the rate I am going to track days I will probably keep meeting many more. I'm a track addict and no, I can't stop any time I want! :D

Totally envy you r able to track 4-5x a month, i was doing 2-3x a month last year but now my car is out waiting for next level upgrades - LSD and Final Drive and cant wait to see how much time i can shave with these mods, r u participating in NorCal86 Cup??



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I haven't gotten into it yet, hopefully one of these days I will be going to an HPDE where it is happening. Where can I find more information on it? More than anything I'd love to compare notes after a session with another intermediate (brz/frs) driver.

Three major organizations - Hooked on Driving, Track Master Racing, and Northern California Racing Club, you can find their schedules on there website, i recommend register at least a month in advance to avoid sold out situation

Im intermediate level driver and will be happy to compare notes and share experience at each track


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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57243

Don't feel shy about wandering down to Socal's 86 CUP as well; we're consistently getting 20+ cars turning out.

LoL likewise!!! Come up North and coach us sometimes!!


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So far Hooked on driving is the main group I've been going with. At one point I considered signing up for the last T-Hill event but decided I should save my vacation days some. My next event with HOD will be the big 5 mile double day at the start of June which I am EXTREMELY excited about! After that I am also signed up for the HOD MRLS day at the end of June after which I will head straight to Buttonwillow for the Lemons race. I am not sure what other, if any days I will be doing in June. And of course I'm singed up for Fontana in early July...

I'm trying to get down there! I almost signed up for Willow springs last weekend instead of Buttonwillow but I decided I needed the track time at Buttonwillow more than meeting other 86 drivers (since I will be doing a Lemons race at the end of June at Buttonwillow I need to know the track better). Of course then I got very familiar with the infamous Buttonwillow dirt...

Big five miles event is in July i thought?? Im hoping to go THill June 29-29 to test my new parts, dont wana do testing at Sonoma or MRLS ... Too risky lol

Try TMR, they r my fave, Doug Gale is a cool guy

If we form a good 10 peeps group that go regularly, we can potential to reserve garage or covered parking for a good deal


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Nope, big five mile double day in early June: http://www.hookedondriving.com/event...,_June_7_and_8
Assuming of course the track is ready; they've had some delays and such on paving it (various people I've talked to have had differing opinions on if it will be paved in time). Here is some awesome news though: http://instagram.com/p/n8SfEZuD1t/

Hope they can!! That would be awesome to attend, dont think my car would be ready tho...


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When I was scheduling my roll bar getting installed by TC designs I made very damn sure that it would be ready for that double day! I've been looking forward to this for quite a while now! (though not nearly as long as some people, I haven't been doing this stuff for that long)

So I would like to get some opinions on a mostly street but some autocross and hopefully a bunch of 86cup races. I'm thinking about doing the swift springs, bilstein b6 dampeners, and raceseng camber plates and some arms out back. Anyone have experience with a similar setup?

Which organizer will you be running with?

Not that specific setup, but you can't go wrong with any of those items. I've experienced all three in various combinations, and they're all quality parts.

Hooked on driving again

As far as a budget setup would there be anything else you would reccomend?

What about spec-r swift springs mated to b8's?

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

Oh wow they run ACS? Interesting.

Brake pads, and brake fluid. I'd get that before the suspension bits.

All of the items you mentioned are items we carry; let us know when you're ready!

I think this is going to be their first time at auto club speedway; not completely certain but based upon what I have read, I think it is.

LOL you are HOD VIP!! :cheers: damn i need to get my car ready and get out there asap!!!

I like how they run events and the instructors that they have. I might be a intermediate driver now, but I totally will grab an instructor if given the chance.
Out of the four groups I have run with, HOD and GGR Porsche club are the two that I will actively watch the schedules of, though HOD more than the Porsche club because I stuck out like a sore thumb among the sea of 911s.

Roval or Infield?

I'm interested in T-Hill, but I don't want to go when it's like 130ºF. I really don't feel like getting destroyed in the heat. 115ºF is already hot enough...

As I understand it we will be doing one of the highbanks and then into the infield section and then back out onto the roval. I think this is the common configuration for HPDE, right?

I haven't been doing this for long enough to know how bad T-hill gets, but last time I was there is was about as perfect of weather as you could ask for (it was a week and a half ago and temperatures were low 80s with mixed overcast).

Damn. T-Hill in the 80s would be awesome. Too bad it's like 600 miles away...well...time to pack up and go up I guess.

The HOD setup sounds like the Roval. You're going to notice how ridiculously stable the 86 platform is on the Roval. You can change lines at 130mph without any stability issues. :wub: This is also the place where you will understand why the "adding stability" statement from people wanting to build "track setups" makes us chuckle. ;)

Anyone have a line on an HDPE around Las Vegas? All I'm finding is a local PCA group.

There's an event this weekend with SV. You can meet some of the S2k Challenge guys. Unfortunately I already have some meetings to attend this weekend or else I'd be there. :)

I belong to NASA Central Region - but I found this for the NASA Arizona Region - about as close to LV as I could find:

http://www.nasaaz.com/

May 31: (Sat early AM 1/2 day only) – Wild Horse Pass (WHP) West Track - no points “race”
July 12 & 13 – Willow Springs (crossover points event with NASA So Cal)
August 29, 30 & 31 - East Coast National Championship (Road Atlanta) – no points
October 11 & 12 – INDE Motorsports Park - Arizona

I'm not ready to get on the track quite yet, but it'll be nice to develop contacts for when I am ready. Do you have a site or link I could dig through? Thanks David.

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Ya apparently the June 7-8 HOD THill track days i told u before is the 5 miles new track debut, IIRC last June it was 105F at THill and caused me the injector seal failure lol

HOD always run Oval or i called it crows nest some says cyclone set up, they hardly run infield or i called it bypass set up hahaha

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I think you'll want B8 shocks rather than the B6. The B8 shocks are meant for lowering springs. B6 shocks are meant for OEM springs.

Yeah, I do have to admit that it was abnormally awesome weather when I was there (it was hotter the time before when I was there).

When you do come up, I think the very best would be one of the five mile events. I got the opportunity to walk the new stuff last time and it is freaking awesome. It is a little hard to say without seeing the pavement and final berm configuration, but it looks like the new stuff will have some fantastically challenging features. That said, there are a couple of places that I suspect will have plenty of high beginner/low intermediate drivers and their cars as snacks, but time will tell. I'd love to point to turn numbers but I can't find a new map and I don't know the numbers.

As far as car stability, the first time I went over turn 1 at Laguna Seca I realized right away that the BRZ is special. Previously I had a 2013 Civic Si and that turn was scary on the crest while the BRZ just feels planted.