Talkin' bout this?

[u2b]U5Wg3JUcKwM[/u2b]

^ That's a "3S-GTE" (read: 503E) IIRC.

Sick truck, that almost looked liked it was too much for the guy to handle; but no thats not it. I couldn't find the right site where the guy had it, but here's the site where he sells the performance parts:

http://www.lceperformance.com/2RZ-01...-p/1012152.htm

Nevermind I found it: Paradise Racing

http://www.paradiseracing.com/Store/...d=33&Itemid=27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W01f4p8dya0

The 2rz is definitely underestimated...iron block, aluminum heads, forged steel connecting rods (I miss my taco) Depending on what comes in the FR-S, I might slap one of these in it hehe.

Oh I know... but for me, 1,000plus hp truck only come to mind is that truck

Thats as much a Tacoma as I am a Native American.:bellyroll:

:laughabove:That's a great joke.:lol:

Hope you have flame suits on

Lol, people are pushing out 800rwhp out of S2000's now, on the F20. That isn't a giant killer?

You have to take these 'stock internal' claims with a grain of salt. There is a local shop making some world's fastest claims about their 'stock internal' Mk4 Supra. But they interpret that as being stock pistons, crank, and rods BUT they have ARP rod bolts. This is not how I interpret stock internals, especially on a 2JZGTE motor where the rod bolts are the known weak link (weak being 600ish hp range).

The other thing is how long it's making its power for. A whole season? Or just 2 or 3 dyno pulls? Huge number 'stock internal' claims are always shady.

Even on Toyota motors. :)

In all performance aspects MK4 > MK*.

But in my opinion MK3 > MK* in the looks department.

Speaking of which, the fastest SK2 is running low 8's but with a 2JZ. I saw a coupld vids of turbo'd F20's putting down some nice numbers on a stock internals! Very impressive. :bow:

I don't have the money to afford a giant-killer off the showroom. Not the purpose of this car.

As for STI's getting stomped, check out this old vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ4EpAlEA6o

PS: AWD has no relevance to top-end power/acceleration.

The point is also that it's trapping in the 140mph range. That means it's making decent top-end power.

The FR-S is not going to be competitive on a road racing track unless it has extensive mods. Figure an Exige with less power and an extra 800lbs of ballast. However there is potential in the EJ boxer series to make big, driveable power.

Edit: Youtube 'street-racing' vids are not the best example due to a few reasons: there is no legitimate timing system, recorded distance, and many of the 'mods', especially on the car that the video poster beat, are questionable at best.

The vid I posted showed two comparable, legitimate 9 second cars trapping in the 140 mph range over a quarter mile. Yours showed what? One car winning and one losing over a questionable distance at questionable speeds.

Either way the boxer EJ series can make huge power. Probably more than this FR-S will be able to put down through 2 wheels, and more that will be practical on a road course. However it will cost money.

Alright, I'll list few of em that is 2L or lower ones.

Lotus Elise, Exige, 340R, 2-Eleven, Europa S (1.6~2L)
Suzuki Swift Sport (1.6L used in JWRC)
SW20 TRD 2000GT (2L)
Yamaha tuned Toyota 3S-GT Engine (2~2.1L example: Supra GT)
& not to forget Ariel Atom (2L K20Z)

want me to keep goin'?

edit:
Oh, btw I love this Top Gear episode of Atom
[u2b]WaWoo82zNUA[/u2b]

"It's so quick it can destroy your entire face.":bellyroll:

Competitive with what?

I believe Corbin was speculating on whether this motor can hang with the big boys and mentioned the GT-R and Z06. Whether it will have the top end for straights on a road course.

As purchased, we all know it won't

That will take $$$.

We all hope that. But, this car is an entry-level sports car, not a halo car. Sure the 240sx was entry level in its day but the over-engineering of the late 80's early 90's was a wonderful thing.

Now I think even the fact that I'm assuming it's going to have an EJ series engine is dangerous speculation. And there are many differences between them in terms of power potential. But they are all reasonably inter-changeable.

What worries me is how well can the new transmission, diff and axles handle power if they are only anticipating a 2.0L NA motor with 180 lb-ft of torque. This is my main concern. If the stock motor sucks (god forbid) an EJ257 can go in it. But if this thing starts shredding gears, snapping axles and popping diffs, uh oh. Much harder problem to solve than making power.

I think ichitaka05 answered you well enough, but let me just add that the Toyota AZ engine has been doing wonderful things in the drag racing scene (yes, I know, It's 2.4, but whatever).


roflmao. Erm. I love the way the Mk3 looks, especially in widebody spec, but srsly... no. ROFL.

a) ROFLMAOWTFBBQTWATWAFFLES!!!!! :laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:

b) Neither Evo's nor Sti's have great top end. Not because of their awd, but rather because of their very short gearing.

c) Seriously, you need help. See a shrink. The type of money you'd have to put in the FR-S to make it a Z06 killer (driving skills not withstanding), you might as well but one used. New cars are expensive to milk that kind of performance out of. Most tuner cars don't get to that level until they are close to or already out of production (because then they can be had cheap and replacement engines etc can be had cheap). You need to get a grip on reality. As is said before, speed is expensive.

Amen and Amen. The transmission will be pretty much the same aisin 6-speed that is in the RX-8, JDM Altezza, S2000 et al. Start from there as a reference point I guess.

Awww, c'mon...

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...praSunday3.jpg

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...praSunday4.jpg

Just do lil speculation:
Buying GT-R (R35) is $85~95k
Buying FT86 is $23k~$30k
Now, you still have $55k~$72k to tune FT86 to be faster or fast as GT-R... & if you can't do it with that money and you have problem. Now if you want car that already have 400~500hp car then go ahead and buy GT-R or LFA.

Words "Cheap" & "Fast" never belong together. What you pay is what you get. This math always the fact in auto world

A- This thread has come alive!

B-Soooooooooo many people are going to be disappointed by this car. Power is not what this car is bout.

3-
You are crazy if you think that this will be a "giant killer"

D- Dimman, No

Really? MKIII is my 2nd fav Supra design.
1. MK4
2. MK3
3. MK1
4. MK2

Errr... to which thing?

Isn't the saying this: "Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick 2."

Well there you go! You can spent $40k~$60k total (buying FT86 & tuning) to beat GT-R. Simple

So you're planning to wait 15 years until this thing is $4000? And all the motors to swap in it are also old and affordable. This is the point that I think is trying to be made.

Like I mentioned earlier, the RX7 was a halo car when it came out. This car isn't. There will be a bigger performance gap to make up. Think of it's concept namesake, the AE86. You have to throw a lot more time and money at a used Hachi-Roku to make it GT-R fast, than at a used JZA80 Supra twin-turbo.

How come you keep resulting back to a Z06? That's apples and oranges in comparison.

I think you have the wrong idea of what this car is supposed to be. It will likely be competing with the current Miata and that's about it. If we are lucky it will be track-competitive with a Porsche Cayman (not the 'S' though).

The Z06 is a great car but it also starts at $74,000, 10 grand less than the GTR, but its a completly different car than what the FT86 is supposed to be.

Also don't forget the driving skill too. Like this vid, 200 & 165 AE86 vs 280 R34... I say, it's the driving skill makes the difference in the track. lol
[u2b]yhkpdr2_vfg[/u2b]

We don't even know the engine configuration yet but I can tell you, like others here, this FR-S is definitely not Toyota's flagship sports car so it's not even safe to compare.

It's a very entry level just like how the '85 GTS was. So maybe WRX, Mazda 3, IS350 territory.

Think of it this way. When the S2000 came out it targeted the Z3, Boxster, SLK, and TT. Kicked some serious ass there too. But the FR-S will be only about 2/3rds the price of an S2000. Now think of what the competition and benchmarks will be. Not much to compare it to in the RWD area, Miata (anything else?). Maybe if we go into FWD competition Toyota may hope to steal some sales from the Mini, GTi, Civic Si?

mk4>mk* like matador said. ;)

Ive always loved this saying.
FT86- Cheap and reliable
Z06- Fast and reliable


:word:
Genesis