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Mikepage 04-07-2014 08:30 PM

What is the weight of the oem wheels again? 22 lbs I think?

I think they are made but Enkei right?

CSG David 04-07-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1655691)
What is the weight of the oem wheels again? 22 lbs I think?

I think they are made but Enkei right?

Not completely sure about that. I need to check on that information. Enkei does make a lot of OEM wheels. ~40lbs per each tire+wheel

Mikepage 04-07-2014 08:41 PM

Anyway thank you make me save a lot of money :D

Mikepage 04-07-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1655664)
Suggestion: Run OEM with spacers on RE11A tires. Take off spacers for autocross. Use that extra savings for more autocross, HPDE, gas, and consumables! :thumbsup:


Do you have others suggestions David?

Boxer486 04-08-2014 12:25 AM

OE is about 20.5-21lbs depending on the scale. Wheel + tire is about 41-41.5lbs, again depending on the scale (and which tires you might have received as OE).

Here's a nice article to explain wheel weights and sizes as related to static weights, polar moment of inertia as applies to initial force, momentum and deceleration, and merits of strength.

http://bansheebikes.blogspot.com/201...imensions.html

Mikepage 04-08-2014 06:52 AM

What do you mean depending of the scale? They have OE in differences scales?

53Driver 04-08-2014 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1655664)
Suggestion: Run OEM with spacers on RE11A tires. Take off spacers for autocross. Use that extra savings for more autocross, HPDE, gas, and consumables! :thumbsup:

You're giving a lot of good information but a suggestion. If you're going to recommend things such as spacers and tires, I would give more details like:

"Buy a quality set of spacers made by a reputable company such as [fill in blank] or [fill in blank]. I'd also recommend you use RE11A tires sized [fill in blank] with your OEM wheels...use anti-sieze compund such as [fill in blank] when mating spacers to wheel hub...remove spacers when tracking..."

I'm not saying this as a ding on you, after all you are providing great information but some of us not in the know, we either have to try to fill in the blanks on our own or ask more questions to get clarification.

On a side note, do you think the TRD wheels are made by the same company (such as Enkei) as the OEM wheels are? Personally I am not a fan of the stock wheels but I do like the TRD wheels. I will have to do some research and personally I think $225 a pop from factory parts department is pretty reasonable.

ayau 04-08-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1654200)
I want wheel like OEM, i mean solid like OEM but with a better look... For sure I don't want Volk, unfortunately, I love it, but they are out of my budget.

It's a daly drive then nothing special...only some track days during summer.

Maybe I need the best bang for the buck. :)

You can have my Volks for 1k. :)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44955

CSG David 04-08-2014 11:58 AM

I can definitely do that, except it may offend people when they realized it's not what their buddies told them. My PM inbox is always open. :)

On another note, I have no idea if TRD is made by Enkei, but I do know what most of TRD parts are just private labelled components. For example, the TRD kit is a standard Stoptech BBK. That's because I know someone who was testing out the kit before the release.

TRD wheels are nice. If it's the style and fitment you want, then pick it up. I know for sure that TRD won't find a crappy manufacturer to make parts for them. They have some sort of quality standard at the very least that they uphold. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by 53Driver (Post 1656995)
You're giving a lot of good information but a suggestion. If you're going to recommend things such as spacers and tires, I would give more details like:

"Buy a quality set of spacers made by a reputable company such as [fill in blank] or [fill in blank]. I'd also recommend you use RE11A tires sized [fill in blank] with your OEM wheels...use anti-sieze compund such as [fill in blank] when mating spacers to wheel hub...remove spacers when tracking..."

I'm not saying this as a ding on you, after all you are providing great information but some of us not in the know, we either have to try to fill in the blanks on our own or ask more questions to get clarification.

On a side note, do you think the TRD wheels are made by the same company (such as Enkei) as the OEM wheels are? Personally I am not a fan of the stock wheels but I do like the TRD wheels. I will have to do some research and personally I think $225 a pop from factory parts department is pretty reasonable.


CSG David 04-08-2014 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1656651)
What do you mean depending of the scale? They have OE in differences scales?

Scales have +/- errors. Meaning, not all scales are calibrated extremely precise and accurate.

CSG David 04-08-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1656112)
Do you have others suggestions David?

Drive your car and enjoy what Toyota/Subaru has developed. After driving street modified, race prepped, and full gutted/caged cars, I can tell you factory cars off the lot are quite impressive. Of course, picking up some proper brake pads and fluids ensures long sessions of fun. :thumbsup:

Mikepage 04-08-2014 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1657136)
Drive your car and enjoy what Toyota/Subaru has developed. After driving street modified, race prepped, and full gutted/caged cars, I can tell you factory cars off the lot are quite impressive. Of course, picking up some proper brake pads and fluids ensures long sessions of fun. :thumbsup:


I mean suggestions concerning tires :) but thanks :)

CSG David 04-08-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1657164)
I mean suggestions concerning tires :) but thanks :)

LOL! RE-11A is a great all-around tire for street and track. It has a good balance of dry and wet grip. The feedback is good and audible and the sidewalls are quite stiff.

Hankook RS3 is the best street tire for dry grip. Dunlop Z2 is close to an RS3, but it's a little peaky. Yokohama AD08R is a great tire, but the grip level isn't quite as good as the RS3, but the wet grip is significantly better than RS3 or Z2. Federal 595RS-R and BF Goodridge Rivals are probably the bottom of the barrel in terms of EHP tires (140-200 TW). They are still much better than your 200+ TW tires, but they aren't as good in the list above. :thumbsup:

Mikepage 04-08-2014 12:28 PM

Ok, I will look into it thanks your the best!

frslee 04-08-2014 12:37 PM

@Mikepage I think you really want to change the wheels because you want something lighter, but can't find them due to high cost. I recently bought used Advan wheel/tire on ebay. I was able to negotiate with the seller and I got a good price out of it. If you're really going after "Performance", follow what CGS David suggested. If you're looking to change the appearance, save up some more cash and get the style you want + tires that were suggested. Good luck!!

oh, and the ebay seller was in Quebec. Look for Japan Imported parts. Lots of JDM goodies.

53Driver 04-08-2014 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1657136)
Drive your car and enjoy what Toyota/Subaru has developed. After driving street modified, race prepped, and full gutted/caged cars, I can tell you factory cars off the lot are quite impressive. Of course, picking up some proper brake pads and fluids ensures long sessions of fun. :thumbsup:

I agree. Having had a 350Z, S2000 and a Shelby GT500 I think this car has a lot to offer from the factory. This is the first "sports" car I actually plan on keeping for a long time (though I do miss the S2000 at times).

Personally, I've always believed that upgrades should go in the order of tires/brakes, cooling, suspension, wheels and then power adders. Too often I see people jumping right to the big power adders before upgrading the others. My GT500 taught me real quick that big power can become useless without the others upgrades first.;)

chimera118 04-08-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1657192)
LOL! RE-11A is a great all-around tire for street and track. It has a good balance of dry and wet grip. The feedback is good and audible and the sidewalls are quite stiff.

Hankook RS3 is the best street tire for dry grip. Dunlop Z2 is close to an RS3, but it's a little peaky. Yokohama AD08R is a great tire, but the grip level isn't quite as good as the RS3, but the wet grip is significantly better than RS3 or Z2. Federal 595RS-R and BF Goodridge Rivals are probably the bottom of the barrel in terms of EHP tires (140-200 TW). They are still much better than your 200+ TW tires, but they aren't as good in the list above. :thumbsup:

thanks for the info. would you recommend the RE-11A or RS3 over Pilot Super Sports? i am currently debating between the three. im looking to go with a 245/40 on 18x8.75 wheels.

CSG David 04-08-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Driver (Post 1657948)
I agree. Having had a 350Z, S2000 and a Shelby GT500 I think this car has a lot to offer from the factory. This is the first "sports" car I actually plan on keeping for a long time (though I do miss the S2000 at times).

Personally, I've always believed that upgrades should go in the order of tires/brakes, cooling, suspension, wheels and then power adders. Too often I see people jumping right to the big power adders before upgrading the others. My GT500 taught me real quick that big power can become useless without the others upgrades first.;)

Everything is a balance. Change one parameter and expect to change something else. That's how we build our cars, but everything is methodically thought out and executed. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by chimera118 (Post 1658018)
thanks for the info. would you recommend the RE-11A or RS3 over Pilot Super Sports? i am currently debating between the three. im looking to go with a 245/40 on 18x8.75 wheels.

RE-11A is like a Pilot Super Sport on a higher level. The RS3 has better grip than both tires in dry, but not as good in wet. Everything is a compromise. :thumbsup:

chimera118 04-08-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG David (Post 1658229)
RE-11A is like a Pilot Super Sport on a higher level. The RS3 has better grip than both tires in dry, but not as good in wet. Everything is a compromise. :thumbsup:

thanks!

Mikepage 04-10-2014 10:05 AM

Wheels and tires setup for 1000$
 
@CSG David , If I have a better budget, what is your opinion about these wheels TSW Nurburgring?

I found some guys on the web who say they are soft wheels...and some others guys who have some vibrations problems on the highway...

What is your opinion?

Mikepage 04-12-2014 11:48 PM

Or I can always look for a good set of Enkei PF01?

Kostamojen 04-13-2014 12:45 AM

You seem to be moving from a $1000 budget up to a $1500 budget...

Mikepage 04-13-2014 12:58 AM

Wheels and tires setup for 1000$
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1668952)
You seem to be moving from a $1000 budget up to a $1500 budget...


Maybe $700/$800 for tires and $1000/$1200 for the wheels, then maybe around $2000 budget

For my tires, I want g-Force T/A KDW on the oem or on a new set of wheels there is the question ;)

Kostamojen 04-13-2014 01:32 AM

Then I petition for a thread title change.

Mikepage 04-13-2014 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1669004)
Then I petition for a thread title change.


I don't think I can do this.

bfrank1972 04-13-2014 12:35 PM

Nabbed a set of used XXR 530's (18") for $250, nabbed a very slightly used set of 235/40 18" Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 2's for $150. All in including mounting and balancing was under $500, there are deals to be had if you are patient - for instance the asymmetric 2 tires are great all arounders, they are standard equipment on the new Focus ST's. But then you have guys who want to swap them for a more hardcore tire like Dunlop ZII's and the like - often you see them dump the OEM tires for not much money.

Mikepage 04-14-2014 10:52 PM

Wheels and tires setup for around 1000$ and 2000$
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1669004)
Then I petition for a thread title change.


Ok I got it, i renamed the thread like you suggested ;)

CSG David 04-15-2014 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1662501)
@CSG David , If I have a better budget, what is your opinion about these wheels TSW Nurburgring?

I found some guys on the web who say they are soft wheels...and some others guys who have some vibrations problems on the highway...

What is your opinion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1668873)
Or I can always look for a good set of Enkei PF01?

Pure preference to be honest. What is the true goal in the end? I ask questions so you can come to a conclusion rather than purchase multiple parts and end up spending much more than your intended budget in the long run. :)

Mikepage 04-15-2014 12:27 PM

Wheels and tires setup for around 1000$ and 2000$
 
To be honest, at the beginning my goal was to get nice wheels keeping the OEM quality with a good set of tire, street/track...

For the tires am fines, I will take a set of g-Force T/A KDW but thank you for you suggestions, they are into my options list maybe Goethe future.

Then now with a better budget am looking for a good set of wheels...or keeping the OEM because as you said, OEM wheels are very good and solids compared to many cheap wheels.

I found a good deal on :

Gram Lights 57C
Spec:
5x100
17x7.5
Offset 48
Currently On Continental 245 for maybe 3 sessions.

I know, I can't run these type of tires Into the street... But I can finish the thread on the track and put the g-Force after....

CSG David 04-15-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikepage (Post 1673859)
To be honest, at the beginning my goal was to get nice wheels keeping the OEM quality with a good set of tire, street/track...

For the tires am fines, I will take a set of g-Force T/A KDW but thank you for you suggestions, they are into my options list maybe Goethe future.

Then now with a better budget am looking for a good set of wheels...or keeping the OEM because as you said, OEM wheels are very good and solids compared to many cheap wheels.

I found a good deal on :

Gram Lights 57C
Spec:
5x100
17x7.5
Offset 48
Currently On Continental 245 for maybe 3 sessions.

I know, I can't run these type of tires Into the street... But I can finish the thread on the track and put the g-Force after....

G-Force is a not so good tire...once you get a taste of those higher end tires, you're going to realize what you have been missing out on. ;)

Mikepage 04-15-2014 02:53 PM

Ok then let me think it over.

Thanks again for your advices.

Mikepage 04-16-2014 12:15 PM

Wheels and tires setup for around 1000$ and 2000$
 
@CSG David It's a good idea to go with 225/45/17 on the stock wheels?


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