I can help out with any SF stuff as well, though there aren't enough of us enthusiast-types out here to have meets/drives too often, the occasional one is nice. And I'm always down to organize caravans to any type of event.

Did you get lost? BAIC is that way ------->

Hahaha. I kid, I kid.

But to bring up a point I hope others are not thinking events and meets can only be planned by leadership. Meets can definitely be created and ran by anyone. The reason to have a board or council is for large scale meets such as 86Fiesta, the toy drive, etc. But whoever does end up stepping into the role should pay close attention to who is volunteering. Lol

Cool ideas for sure. It would seem I only see organized car clubs for retirees and their old school muscle. It would be great if one of us knew someone like that who is a member of an established club, who could tell us how the club is structured, and the benefits and the snags of leadership. Also, with any organization, direction is important and I believe it would be worthwhile to draft a mission statement which can serve as a foundation of the organization.

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Did I mention @finch1750 ?

I'll get some info from a friend who was the Corrado Club of America SoCal president for a while and see what kind of advice he has. He's also a board member for ComiCon in San Diego, so he might have some ideas.

Finch, man, you are definitely at the top of my list as well.

I'll help where I can in the Central Valley.

Bump for the weekend. Anyone else have input they'd like to share. :)


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I have one haha. Don't elect @MyRx for any position or title. He's horrible at taking office or such positions. He's deferring his consulship to someone who actually wants to do good for NorCal haha.

Not @RC51ed , I'm willing to help out as much as I can but I like being in the side lines better. No authority for me. Lol

We will definitely appreciate the help of any volunteers who want to be involved but don't want to take on an official position.

I'd like to hear any more opinions on how we structure the leadership. Based on what I've heard so far, I would propose something like this.

We select one President. 1 year term. President deposits $100 into club fund.
We ask for either 2 or 4 volunteers to be on the board which periodically meets with and advises the president. If we have more than 4 volunteers then we hold elections to determine the 4. Board members serve a 6 month term. Each volunteer board member deposits $50 into club fund. These volunteers should be members of the community who regularly try to attend local meets. That way they are accessible to the members and receive input, as well as can help the president with carrying out activities. As suggested before, when a President or Board member leaves, if there is sufficient funds and the remainder of the board agrees, the deposit will be refunded. Of course the depositor also has the option of relinquishing their deposit and letting it remain with the club if they wish.

I'd like to have the President be able to act without being too caught up in time-consuming meetings. If something needs to be decided, he should be able to email or call the other board members and get approval to proceed. Minimum quorum of 3 (including the president) to participate in the discussion and a majority vote 2/3, 3/4, or 3/5 to proceed. This is a club, not a business so hopefully people will work together and nothing will get too contentious, but the majority vote lets there be some kind of checks and balance.

I'm comfortable with letting the President and Board develop its own other rules and procedures as needed, including preparing and publishing a mission statement or charter. Unanimous agreement by all Board members required to change add or delete provisions from the statement or charter. Obviously if we don't like something they do, we vote their butts out of office. :paddle:

Apologies for the minutia, but I think it's important to hammer it out and have a plan to proceed with. By all means discuss, revise, or reject.

I would prefer longer terms for board members as the possible high turnover rate would make event planning difficult. I would prefer a year term for board members. I would also encourage a 2 year term for pres. The resoning is you need consistancy throughout event planning with the board members and I feel the president should have a chance to improve upon an event by having another opportunity at it. I can understand the want for short terms, but if abuse of power is an issue we could incorporate recall voting based upon x number of members creating a petition.

I see your point about the board members and 1 year term would be fine. The pres I am not sure I agree about the 2 year term. If a pres does a halfway decent job the first year I think it would be easy to win a reelection. I'm not suggesting any term limitations so if we have a kickass pres he or she could continue on indefinitely. I realize some dark horse challenger could come along and upset things, but assuming the pres didn't make a mess of things, I would imagine he or she could continue to serve on the board if desired and that would help ensure consistency/continuity in the leadership.

I'll raise another question here - should ownership of an 86/FRS/BRZ/AE86/Toyota/Subaru be a requirement to serve as pres or board? At time of selection or throughout their term? I would submit NO but perhaps others would disagree. Just looking to the future, not everyone keeps their car forever and that might be one way to keep a valuable and contributing member who otherwise might be disqualified.

I can understand that, just more food for thought regarding consistency of some kind.

In terms of ownership I believe that at some point you should have owned a twin, but current ownership is not required as long as you are still active at meets and on the boards. How we define that on paper idk, but I dont want someone elected and then they just disappear. Lol

I hope this doesn't just become a 2-man conversation between me and finch LOL. I really do encourage people to voice their opinions, here or at the meets in person. Not just about the rules and procedures part of it, but what would you like to see the Owners' Club be able to do for you the members? If you can't think of anything right now, no worries we will continue to ask you throughout the year. :)

Also as I understand it (please correct me if wrong) we have only one candidate up for the title of President -- @finch1750 (Stockton). Does anyone else want to put their name in for the job? :)

For the board, I have the following individuals who have either volunteered or been nominated (minus those who have declined):

@BigFatFlip (Alameda)
@BunnyRZed (Sacramento)
@leicaboss (SF)
@NorCalGirl (Daly City)
@PMok (Hayward)

Anyone, please let me know if you are interested in being on either list, or also let me know if you wish to decline and I'll take you off. After we finalize these lists (let's say deadline of Weds night 9PM to apply), we will see what we have and determine if we need to hold elections or just ratify the names in place.

Hey everyone! First and foremost great idea PMok! Thank you for taking the time in starting out this thought process....

For those who don't know me, a little background:

My name is Mark. I own a Raven 13' 86. Originally from the Subaru scene and known as
STI RUSH on the suby boards. Mainly present in Hayward, Pleasant Hill, Benicia, Vallejo and Fairfield and Travis AFB. I have coordinated or helped coordinate meets, bbq's, install days Fairfield/Vallejo/Pleasant Hill.

I'm open to donating and volunteering.

IDEAS:

Key Member from each key area in NORCAL to coordinate WEEKLY meets.

Key Member to coordinate MONTHLY NORCAL meets.

Key Member for quarterly/bi annual meets.

Key member for annual meets.

--- Board Members meet each month

--- People on the board are owners/volunteers who "WANT" to do it

--- VOTE/POLL should be taken into consideration when more than one owner/volunteer who "WANT" the same position.

Those considering taking any of those positions should be expected to:

Uphold some core values. I.E. Integrity, Excellence, Service (or whatever is community decides)

Make a reasonable amount of donation. (just cause most people who invest take it more serious)

Well those are just my few cent's. Alright folks, see you all soon!

Very Respectfully,

1 SIK FRS - MARK
DEF'SIK_J-STATUS

Adding to the idea from @1SIKFRS.. (Wattup Mark! lol) If part of the board.. I think monthly meetings would be great to stay caught up on events, etc.. I just ask that we schedule them in advance or set a specific day of the week such as every 3rd Tuesday of the month at a set time... such as 7:30pm? (which would actually be ideal for me since I'm in and out of town every other week, plus I have to be in town for a work meeting the same day anyways) that way it is a pre-set date for each month.. or if that's too much we could do every other month... The location for the meeting could rotate between the different parts of the bay area and the representative of that location could be responsible for finding/setting up the actual location for the board to meet. Just a thought...

We can also do phone and/or video conference calls if people are not able to make it....

That would actually work very well. We can use that Google Hangouts thing that could connect up to 10 people.

Those are some pretty solid ideas. In terms of meets I dont feel weekly/monthly meets should fall to the board, mainlt because thesr already exist and its not necessarily board members running them. @MyRx runs the weekly south bay meet, @phatpanda runs the dublin meet-n-greet, and @Byoki has set up a monthly Sac meet. I dont want to take these away from them. Cencal has put together a few recently but I would encourage someone from that area to become involved. Once the board is established they can look at community needs for other meeta and the timeframes where they take place. Anything more often than monthly takes too much planning to fal on one person and that is the reason a board is needed versus one leader.

If there are multiples people interested we should definitely have a vote, unless all board/council members share the same title of just "board/council member". That has still not been established. If it is titles, is it more than President, VP, Secretary, and Treasurer? Then the other have the title of board/council memberAnd a monthly meeting on a set day each month is a fantastic idea as well.

^^^ just a slight correction, certainly not to take anything away, but Southbay runs their own, I just follow :)

And why is there no Southbay representation on board. Are we too busy writing code, making computers work, or running a business - hmm maybe. But here's your chance to see behind the scenes, get the low down, voice your opinion, and such.

Hey Folks,

I'll be meeting up with my pal from the Corrado Club, and Comicon on Friday. Once I'm back in town on Saturday all post my notes on my talk with him. Hopefully that will help.

BTW, I'm willing to coordinate with the Central Valley folks if you want to include us.

i think we are discussing too much on how/when the group of people that are supposed to run big meets are supposed to meet. if this elected group of people are going be meeting to help make decisions then that should be up to them to figure out, we don't need to dictate that for them. they will know their own needs better than we will. if we try to enforce monthly meetings or whatever then what's the point of having the make decision/rules if we are making the rules for them?

i think we need to just get the group going and let them get started. if someone wants to standardized when/where/how people meet then that's great, but that person should be apart of this group of people then. i just feel like we are focusing too much on trying to make a super structured "government" for us. i think it works better as a simpler, more fluid group of people because life happens. if someone is a part of the group but 2 months into it can't do it anymore for whatever reason then it shouldn't be a big deal for them to stop. or if a person is super dedicated and wants to do it for 3 years then i think that's great. because really in the end if we as a community are not happy with what our leaders are doing then we will ask them to step down.

tldr; please keep it simple.

Can I request @phanguy to be on board?

I will 2nd that if he accepts. Lots of good points. I agree that most of the things being discussed are things that the board is being created for. Plus I support @sdlynx throwing is name in to represent cencal.

off topic but.... you're air force huh? could tell by the Integrity, Excellence, and Service haha. what really solidified it was the v/r at the end.


Sorry back to topic.

i dunno if i want to. i just like to keep it real. just so used to people getting way too nitty gritty or wanting to do/be the best of the best and they lose sight of the original goal or what's really important. so i've been training myself to step back and remember what the bigger picture was supposed to be.

it's like when you're shopping for a new computer and you only have basic needs, but half way through it you want the lightest, fastest, coolest computer you can buy. so instead of spending 600 bucks you "want" to spend 1300. haha. i'm guilty of that too though...

Now that a lot has been said I want to put my complete opinion in one single post. While I don’t want this to get too formal as phanguy said, I think some things need to be set to ensure a the council can function in a way to carry out the duties it was created for.

1.****** The board needs to be limited in size to ensure meetings can take place without too many logistic hassles and things can actually be accomplished. We are still a new community and can expand later if the board deems it necessary. 5 members (including the president) will give a overall representation without being too large. This does not mean others cannot be involved in any way. Council members will need advisors to assist them in their duties and this is a good opportunity to lend your time and expertise. A few meetings a year could even be open to all to voice opinions.

2.****** Members will serve 1 year terms. If there is a true issue with a member completing his term then it can be taken up with the rest of the board. There should be a 60 day probation period to ensure you know what you are getting yourself into and can commit.

3.****** I believe that this should operate like a council, no assigned positions except the president to preside over meetings and make certain decisions when executive authority is needed (ex time sensitive). The other members are all equal.

4.****** The president shall deposit $100 and members shall deposit $50 into a club account. This will be deposited after the probation period. Funds allowing, you will be refunded the money when you leave the council (i.e. when the new member deposits there funds)

5.****** The purpose of this council is for activities involving all of Norcal. It does not stop others from being active locally in creating events. We are here to help if asked; otherwise we will focus on the large annual meets and club merchandise (t-shirts, stickers, etc). Other volunteers will still be needed at these meets and the council will be in charge of recruiting those volunteers

6.****** The council shall produce a yearly Profit and Loss to present to the club to ensure transparency.

7.****** All other issues and how these duties will be carried out will be addressed by the council.

My official nominations for the council are:

@PMok

@sdlynx

@MyRx (i know what you said. You dont have the option to decline. Haha)

@BunnyRZed

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one last suggestion for the final board to maybe consider:

letting us know when you do have meetings so that people that are interested in being a part of and giving ideas can attend. what i mean by this is that maybe someone like myself is interested in popping in for like one meeting based on what you guys set the agenda for because i have a good idea or something that i'd like to present. obviously all the decision would still be made by the board, but at least i could get my voice in there without having to contribute all the time. does that make sense? sort of like a townhall meeting. this could be every time or sometimes, or not at all because like i said, this would be completely up to the discretion of the final board members. this provides both a very transparent way things are happening but also a way to possibly keep things fresh since you never know when or where the next good idea will come from. just food for thought.

In the end, we will make it happen. Regardless if there is a board, council, I can pretty much guarantee that we can still produce the results.

Based on results; there have been successful events from what I understand.

Maybe plan our next event? Spring break is coming up in short term, summer for midterm. long term plan a big even Norcal Meets Socal or vice versa....

If an event is going to need cash for venue, logistics and etc. Maybe just set a committee for that. Initiate fundraisers to support those types of events.

love brainstorming :D

I generally agree with everything Finch just said. I know some people have said they'd like geographical representation from all the areas but I agree we should keep the number of board members low (like 5 max) so that things get done efficiently.

Speaking of efficient, I think that means we should finalize our nominations/volunteers for the board, then hold an election in short order. So we can get the ball rolling and get these meets and fun things going!! Those who volunteer but are not selected, we will certainly welcome them to continue to help out where they can, there will definitely be roles to fill beyond the ones we define now and we will appreciate those who offer their service. Like I said the floor is open until Weds Feb 26th @ 9PM. Then let's open the polls on Thursday and voting will close by Friday. Does that work for everyone? Those who are up for a position, and are OK with the deposit/investment into the club, may submit here a brief statement if they wish and haven't already done so (totally optional).

More Thoughts:

BOARD MEMBERS:

PRES/VP (Facilitator & Events Planning)

SECRETARY/ASSISTANT (Updates/Organize Threads/Facebook Groups)

RESOURCE & LOGISTICS (2/3 Members) (Coordinates Venues, Vendors & etc)

TREASURER (Manage Finances/Budget)
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COMMUNITY LEADERS:

N, S, E, W Bay Representation (Meet Coordinators/Promotors)


VOLUNTEERS:

Anyone

As I've learned in my "Design and Inovation Thinking" session, it's better to do a high level prototype of what we want to get started and work out all the details as we move forward :)

I'd like to volunteer to be the recorder :3 Meeting minutes are important so those who do not attend can read/know about what was discussed/planned at meetings.

I'd love to help out too - maybe resource and logistics?

Hi everybody, the deadline as announced has passed, so we are closing the door on any further nominations for the leadership.

PRESIDENT:
Only one candidate remained for the title of President, that is @finch1750 and he was pretty strongly approved in this thread so unless someone raises an procedural objection to simply declaring it, I think we have our new President for the 2014 term! Congratulations to finch. :clap: :clap: :clap:

BOARD:
We have 8 people who have volunteered or were nominated for a position on the Board.

candidates for the Board:
@BigFatFlip (Alameda)
@BunnyRZed (Sacramento)
@leicaboss (SF)
@MyRx (San Ramon)
@NorCalGirl (Daly City)
@PMok (Hayward)
@sdlynx (Merced)
@1SIKFRS (Hayward/Fairfield/Vallejo)

Based on previous discussions, we would like to select 4 people. So that with the President we would have a total of 5 Board members. A separate voting poll will be set up shortly and run until Friday at midnight. Please keep an eye out for this poll and remember to vote!

The top 4 candidates, assuming they agree to deposit the $50 into the club fund, will be serving on the Board for a 1 year term. Those candidates who are not selected, I will say in advance thank you for volunteering and we still hope to have you participate in or assist the Board in some way, now or in the future. :)

The 1 year term for both the President and the Board will begin March 1, 2014 and end March 1, 2015.

@PMok, thanks for making it so easy and clean - do we need to introduce ourselves lol.

It would probably help, but probably better to put that in the poll thread so people can view it. Maybe @PMok can save the top post(s) to copy and paste a statement from each candidate for easy finding. Conversations can of course take place ongoing in the thread as well.

Up late working hard.. I think we picked a great president. Lol


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Thank you, thank you.

But I'm not working as hard as P. He's the one making the poll (I mean I could but I'm on my phone in bed. Haha)

And our prez doesn't lie to get your votes. Up late on the forum on his phone working hard👍👍👍👍

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Lol, and a special thanks to pmok for organizing a lot....


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A special to thanks to all members as addicted as us! bhaha