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Cattronic 02-09-2014 06:18 AM

Dealerships will have a policy, most require a salesman to go along on test drives, but some let you take the car yourself, they just get your phone number and license. Rare though, only my local mazda dealer permits that.


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z3ro 02-09-2014 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1514874)
Oh yes, and he hasn't recently worked at the port that receives new cars ....daaaa..... me ....:bonk:

i was referencing your signature...

humfrz.....

its weird when you don't put that at the bottom of your posts

BlueDubbinTDI 02-09-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mush (Post 1514781)
when i asked for a test drive the salesman asked for a copy of my drivers license, handed me the keys and i was on my way:)



Yep this is how mine went. Then again, my salesman was only 22 (I'm 24) so we actually had kinda a bromance enthusiast test drive lol. He really sold me on the car (I was looking at a Cooper S at the time). They also gave me $3700 more on my trade than any other dealer offered. I love my dealership sorry you had a bad experience!

jadewbj 02-09-2014 10:58 AM

This is exactly why I "ordered" my car. I wanted a whiteout manual with 0 options as I change almost everything anyway. They put a request to get one from the allocation that matched it and put a huge "do not drive do not wash SOLD sticker on it.

I got it from the same dealership as you.

I sold cars as a "kid" and still remember a guy taking a GSR integra, used, out for a test drive. He did a full on burnout out of the lot and damn near put the car into a pole. This started the policy that no customers drive them off the lot at that dealership.

humfrz 02-09-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by z3ro (Post 1515457)
i was referencing your signature...

humfrz.....

its weird when you don't put that at the bottom of your posts

Oh, I seeeeeee..........:)

Yep, I used to till several folks commented it was redundant since "humfrz" appears on the side bar. So, I quit "signing".

Do you think I should start signing off again .. ??

humfrz ..... or not

z3ro 02-09-2014 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1515908)
Oh, I seeeeeee..........:)

Yep, I used to till several folks commented it was redundant since "humfrz" appears on the side bar. So, I quit "signing".

Do you think I should start signing off again .. ??

humfrz ..... or not

i dont feel comfortable emotionally if you dont

humfrz 02-09-2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by z3ro (Post 1516213)
i dont feel comfortable emotionally if you dont

OK, I'll start .... again ..... :D

Pickleahoy 02-09-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1516274)
OK, I'll start .... again ..... :D

What have you done???? lol

I'm planning on talking to the big manager tomorrow about the whole ordeal so we'll see if he cares for the better.

Somewhat unrelated, the clutch on these FRS's has such short travel! It was really hard to get used to a pedal that hit bottom so quickly.
The thing I liked the most about the car was the seating position and the shifter, my god that thing was tight!
The only downside I found was that the car felt really hesitant to go up in revs. I thought my GTI was a dog above 5,500 rpm but this car seemed to go up the revs slower than my current car. Maybe it had something to do with the meathead salesman ripping it a new one....

humfrz 02-09-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pickleahoy (Post 1516376)
What have you done???? lol

I'm planning on talking to the big manager tomorrow about the whole ordeal so we'll see if he cares for the better.

Somewhat unrelated, the clutch on these FRS's has such short travel! It was really hard to get used to a pedal that hit bottom so quickly.
The thing I liked the most about the car was the seating position and the shifter, my god that thing was tight!
The only downside I found was that the car felt really hesitant to go up in revs. I thought my GTI was a dog above 5,500 rpm but this car seemed to go up the revs slower than my current car. Maybe it had something to do with the meathead salesman ripping it a new one....

Errrrr......I'll resume "signing" "humfrz" at the end of my posts .... :)

Yep, the clutch takes some getten used to. For example, I came out of an 06 Miata, where I had to push the clutch pedal half way to the front bumper to get it to function. The first time I clutched an FR-S, the salesman jumpted cause I hit the floorboard so hard.

The shifter is "tight" especially when cold .... just the way they are.

I found that my FR-S didn't spin up real fast till I had about 5,000 miles on it ..... now the red light (shift light) (set at 6,200) flashes at me before I know it. Of course, that car you drove was most likely driven by that salesman before and it was fixing on tossing a couple of rods ....:confused0068:

I suggest you give another FR-S a spin .... :)

humfrz

gily25 02-11-2014 04:42 PM

Salesmen...sometimes I can't tell if they're jerks because they can tell you're not going to buy the car or if they're really just that clueless about customer service. On my Scion test drive the salesman came with us ad made my wife sit in the backseat. The 6'5" (really no other salesperson could take this drive...) jerk proceeded to continually reach into the center console area and dash trying to show me the stereo (which I already said was going to be replaced if it were my car) while allowing me only to go around the block. At least he never offered to drive, lol.

Needless to say I had a much better experience at Subaru and had no problem buying the BRZ instead. Got it cheaper than the FR-S too, FTW.

UnOvertime 02-11-2014 05:17 PM

I originally went to Autonation Toyota in Winter Park as well and the salesman I had told me he would "allow me to drive the car so he could show me that I did NOT want the car". He told me it was small, not practical, and far too uncomfortable and that he was doing me a favor by telling me all this. He actually made me want to go next door to the Lexus dealer and buy an IS250.

Needless to say I did not end up buying my FR-S from them. Some salesmen just seem to not want to sell the car or in the case of a Toyota dealer just know absolutely nothing about the FR-S.

HunterGreene 02-11-2014 05:39 PM

Sounds like the asshat sales bro just wanted an excuse to drive the car. I'd never let the sales person drive a car I was thinking of purchasing.

Thankfully, I got mine about a day after it came off the truck. Nobody touched it except the porters, and I was the first person to drive it off the lot. :D

thill 02-11-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaiseric (Post 1514724)
Unfortunately most dealerships wont allow a test drive without an employee present just to cover their own butts in case you damage something. To test drive without an employee or to take the car home for the night you would have to sign paperwork that states you take all liability of the car for the time being and provide any other information they need, most likely valid license and full coverage insurance.

It prevents things like 50 mile test drives, getting food with the cars, stealing any cars, hit and runs, and more things of that nature lol.

I have been on numerous test drives over the past two years with no salesman in the car with me. In fact for my WRX I just bought I had nobody else in the car and was gone almost 45 minutes. The only thing I handed them was my drivers license and proof of insurance.

The Hyundai dealer let me take a Genesis Coupe home with me for the day. I had to give them my drivers license, insurance, and a $200 deposit (refundable) on my credit card but signed nothing else.

Maybe I look too trusting...

Braces 02-11-2014 06:38 PM

This thread should reinforce that it probably is not a good idea to buy a "demo" car at the dealership regardless of the discount. It is unfortunate that someone will buy that car .... and then a new thread will re-appear here about their car being a lemon.

Pickleahoy 02-11-2014 06:41 PM

I left a voicemail and an email for the general manager since saturday. No calls yet. I guess they really dont care at that dealership

Turbowned 02-11-2014 06:46 PM

That makes me SMH. If you can't drive a car properly just don't.

The last BRZ I sold, the customer was 18 and a little new to driving manual. I was waiting for him to hammer the thing but he was actually very gentle on the car and wasn't shifting above 2,000RPM. It was such a tame test drive that when we got back to the lot I asked if he trusted me to drive it with him riding shotgun. He said yes so we did a Chinese fire drill and I drove it after him; something I can say I've never done before.

I didn't beat on the car of course, just drove it a little quicker and a lot smoother than he did, so he'd get a feel for how it could drive. Went around some corners and revved it up to 4k rpm just to give him a little taste. After that he bought the car.

Then I gave him some tips on where the best shows were put on and what sanctioning bodies he could join in order to do auto-x, track days and drifting. I realize I'm one of few salespeople who would ever do this, but know that we're not all bad guys. Just mostly ;)

FRSRAVEN 02-12-2014 01:38 AM

Central Texas dealership here. I was given the keys and told to come back in a reasonable amount of time. No salesmen, nothing...all by myself. 40 minutes later and one big smile, I bought the car.

They offered me $750 for my trade. I politely told them to eat it, and I sold that car for $3500 one week later. I actually sold it within 15 minutes of posting it on Craigslist. First person to call took the car. Sure, it was a 2003 Ford Focus with 125k miles, but it was pristine, KBB excellent was $3500, and that's exactly what I got no questions asked. $750 on trade was an insult, and almost made me walk away.

Hindsight is 20/20. Had a salesmen gone with me on the test drive I would not have driven like an idiot and hence probably wouldn't have fallen in love with the car. The net result is I would not have bought it and would have ended up with the car a SHOULD have bought, but didn't.

So now everytime I crawl my overweight American ass in a tiny little jap car hoping my neighboors aren't watching my ungraceful somewhat controlled fall into the seat, I can think about the evil sales tactic my dealership used to get me to buy it.

Then I get a few miles down the road and the driving experience with the marvelous steering and excellent gearbox make me forget all the negatives. At least until I try to fit my supersized coke through the little tiny window...

bkblitzed 02-12-2014 01:58 AM

haha i test drive new cars for fun and i beat this shit outa em.

JB86'd 02-12-2014 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1522908)
haha i test drive new cars for fun and i beat this shit outa em.

Wow man, teach us all to be as badass as you :bow:

bkblitzed 02-12-2014 02:54 AM

wanna learn more about how to be badass No problem bro, first you gotta wear shades during the night, and wear obey and diamond only

hmong337 02-12-2014 03:02 AM

That is completely unacceptable! This now makes me wonder how many cars suffer a shit fate from non-broken-in abuse later down the road.

Got mine delivered with 16kms. But all it takes is 2-3.

But always in the back of my mind, did the dirty salesman get his few "special runs" before he handed you the keys? Makes you wonder.

bkblitzed 02-12-2014 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1522990)
That is completely unacceptable! This now makes me wonder how many cars suffer a shit fate from non-broken-in abuse.

a lot. If your car has more than 10 miles on it, guarenteed it was beat on by either the people at the dealership or people interested. Or people like me and my friends who go and test drive cars for fun cus were bored

JB86'd 02-12-2014 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1522983)
wanna learn more about how to be badass No problem bro, first you gotta wear shades during the night, and wear obey and diamond only

sounds hella chill bro

HunterGreene 02-12-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 1521820)
That makes me SMH. If you can't drive a car properly just don't.

The last BRZ I sold, the customer was 18 and a little new to driving manual. I was waiting for him to hammer the thing but he was actually very gentle on the car and wasn't shifting above 2,000RPM. It was such a tame test drive that when we got back to the lot I asked if he trusted me to drive it with him riding shotgun. He said yes so we did a Chinese fire drill and I drove it after him; something I can say I've never done before.

I didn't beat on the car of course, just drove it a little quicker and a lot smoother than he did, so he'd get a feel for how it could drive. Went around some corners and revved it up to 4k rpm just to give him a little taste. After that he bought the car.

Then I gave him some tips on where the best shows were put on and what sanctioning bodies he could join in order to do auto-x, track days and drifting. I realize I'm one of few salespeople who would ever do this, but know that we're not all bad guys. Just mostly ;)

Sadly, you're part of that 3% that was brought up earlier. Good on you, dude.

Pickleahoy 02-14-2014 10:25 PM

It was wednesday this week and the manager for the Winter Park branch hadnt answered my email/voicemail, so I wrote a gigantic wall of text email to Autonation corporate explaining all that went on. It took less than 12 hours to get an answer and on thursday I had a sales manager from Autonation Winter Park apologizing profusely and offering to earn my business again. After some talks and a pretty good deal on a new FRS 10 series that wasnt beat on by Slick Shifts McQueen (who was no longer at the dealership) I ended up signing paperwork today and taking home #1617. To make up for my lost time and gas they also gave me 100 bucks towards parts so I got me some mudguards and the rest I will save for an oil change later. The financing guy was pretty awesome, had an accent that would convince you to even trade in your mother.

All in all a bad experience but a good result. Gonna post the pic on the 10 Series thread since I hate spamming the same thing across different topics.

torqdork 02-14-2014 10:27 PM

Happy ending after all. Added you to the Registry if you don't mind.

hmong337 02-14-2014 10:46 PM

I've always grown up with the ethic of treating something that isn't yours better than if it was your own. That said, I hope that d1ckface saleman meets that day where his prized new car takes a huge shit on him out of warranty because some d1ckface salesman like himself decided to rag his new car before he got handed the keys. Karma!

Great that things worked out.

buzznasa 02-15-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pickleahoy (Post 1514498)
Gave it a shot at seeing if I enjoyed the FRS as much as everyone seems to and headed to Autonation Scion at Winter Park.
Waited for a bit and was told by the guy taking care of me that he would "drive the car out of the lot" and then I could give it a spin. I get in the car as a passenger and he proceeds to take off burning clutch in the process and stays in first gear all the way out the parking lot.

Today was rainy as hell yet the salesman couldnt possibly give less of a shit as he put pedal to metal and pulled out into the public road as the poor 10 series FRS with 6 miles on the clock struggled to make sense of what this meathead was trying to do.
As the car swayed from side to side and Stability management finally straightened the car he said " this is a sportscar and you have to drive it like a sportscar" and he proceeded to clutch dump like a true fast and furious fan through gears and speed well beyond the posted limit with full traffic around.
He must have driven 3 miles and fucking hell it felt like a lifetime with me wondering if the next time he blew through 4 gears without lifting the car would finally let go and crash.
Never have I experienced such shit driving and for it to be displayed on a brand new car really ticked me off because I sure as hell wasnt buying it after such abuse went on. Really sucks for whoever buys this car and wonders why their clutch only lasted 10,000 miles.

When it was time for me to drive it he proceeded to pull the e-brake, shift into first and attempt to get out while the car jerked and stalled. As I walked around the car the burnt clutch smell was awful so I took it easy and drove it back to the dealership because I thought I had enough.

After all that and me trying to negotiate a deal on a different FRS, they proceeded to offer me a mega lowball offer for my trade in below even what they had quoted me through email, even though I was told I could get more for it if I drove it in. When i showed the email they were only willing to match that so I walked out.

What a shit day

I bought my FR-S from that exact same dealership about two months after AutoNation took it over from the previous dealership (You're talking about the one at University and Semoran across from Full Sail, right?) If so, it must be from a new sales guy. My sales rep was a pretty cool guy. Didn't know a lot about the 86 but was eager to learn as I spouted info about it from being a member here for years before buying mine. Even so, I would talk to someone about him because that is just a dumb thing to do.

They tried to low-ball me on my trade in but I haggled with them for a couple of days to get a decent deal and finally got my Whiteout (after I had them truck one in from Clearwater). I feel bad that your experience was so horrible with them. Mine wasn't so bad. But I do understand how one bad experience can taint your view of the dealership as a whole. You can try the Scion dealership off of I-4 between Conroy and John Young. They had a lot of inventory the last time I was there (but seemed less keen to work with me).

Either way, I hope you get your car soon. Then go hit Dike Road off of Howell Branch. It is short but fun corners :burnrubber:

asianbob 02-15-2014 08:24 PM

That's a horrible thing to do to a car, especially when you're trying to sell it to the guy in the passenger seat. I won't get to even drive mine for months after i buy it unfortunately. However, I have driven a FT86 (I'm in Japan at the moment) and loved it. Dealerships here let you take it out on your own. Very awesome customer service even though it's hard to understand them haha


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