I have 3800 miles on my 2013 and so far.

1) Don't have ethanol mixed gas so no chirps

2) I have the rear deck, I just did the DIY, but it looks like I have to have my dealership replace the back rest as it now only clicks whenever the back rest is up, proved it by shaking the back rest when locked in. There's a TSB

3) Mine dips too 500 RPM's at almost every stop light, I run the A/C all the time, has not been an issue, and my car pulls hard every time. It's a non issue unless you get the cel + traction control light.

4) No condensation so far, but there's a TSB

That's great if you live somewhere this is possible. For us Californians, there are 11 stations listed in the entire state with E0. The closest to me is 110 miles one way, so that's not happening.

There are loads of posts on using 2T to shut it up when E0 isn't available, until they get a fix.

2T?

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2 stroke oil. High quality low or zero ash 1:1000

He means two stroke oil which gets poured into the fuel tank before fill up.

Note that these aren't "fixes" per se, rather band aids so your car doesn't make noise, and they aren't guaranteed to work, members have reported both that the two stroke oil and E0 did not get rid of the chirps, they are the minority but take everything with a grain of salt.

The car was supposed to be designed to run on readily available fuel, changing the fuel you put into the take doesn't 'fix' anything. The design chirps, it wasn't enough to bother me (believe me, many would be complaining with the noise I "suffered" so I wasn't one of the lucky ones) so I left it alone, after 10k miles it went silent, just crossed 16k trouble free miles.

Wouldn't that be hard on the cat? I know my 200 xcw ktm 2 stroke smokes allot. ( never heard it by 2T before)

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I got used to the noise and figured it wasn't causing anything as of right now. Though as a preference I prefer E0 but only get it if I have some extra moolah for it.

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Zero ash has nothing to to block the cat and it's 1:1000 not 1:25 Less than a teaspoonful in a gallon.

I had never heard of it called 2T before either but it seems common in the US.

Most claim it will do no harm, I haven't seen any proof that leaves me satisfied so personally I wouldn't touch it even if my cricket chorus drowned out the radio (I'd probably take it in for warranty at that point). Odds are you'll be ok using it, but I'm in the minority saying don't touch it. Rotary owners have used it to prolong their engine life, to mixed results, you can search and see if they have any issues that would carry over.

Me neither, only on this forum and I've known some diehard 2 stroke dirtbike fans.

Now you know one more. ;)

I'm gonna stay away from oil in the gas. Too many fouled plugs in the past to thank for that. Lol

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Oil in the gas can take out your cat. Don't do it.

Its nothing to do with the oil, diesels use a cat. It's the additives. Never use gas engine oil in a diesel. The other way around is ok. Neither belongs in the fuel tank.

I've been driving more spirited as of late, things seem to be leveling out a bit, fuel pump chirp is really intermittent, I'll go two days without it (no fill ups) and then one day it'll do it for an hour, then stop. Kind of weird, I blast my music so the noises are irrelevant mostly but since I know they are there, my brain won't stop telling me "hey, these noises are there" :mad0259:

+1 I run w/o A/C at night all the time and it'll do it at stop lights.

Noted and I am starting to see that. :thanks:

Looks like my problem is solved! Was gonna purchase the Perrin drop in this week :D

You need to discuss this with your dealer, or any competent dealer. No amount of internet advice will help you document this with your dealer.

But to answer your question: YES all those can be fixed at the dealer under warranty with TSBs. Some aren't a proper fix, just FYI.

-alex

wait! my 2013 FR-S idles at 700 RPM all time. how come 800 is a dip?

Went to my dealer earlier this week for an oil change, I WANTED the oil change at 1200 miles, I had about 3/4 of the members on this forum recommend it after break-in. Guy told me he never heard of anyone wanting to change the oil after break-in so soon. He actually tried to get me to not do it.

I then told him about all the TSB's, guy seemed like he had no clue what I was talking about, I don't even think he knew anything to be honest. Some Jamaican dude.

This was at Autonation in Weston, Florida if anyone lives close to there.

In my years of owning cars, at least down here, I feel that nearly all of the dealerships know NOTHING about what they are doing. I think it's a Florida thing.

I tried discussing most of these issues with him and he seemed like he had no clue what I was talking about.......then they couldn't reproduce the fuel chirp, so they didn't fix anything. Told them to change all my fluids, he said they wouldn't do that, he didn't even know what kind of LSD fluid the car took.....I was not happy. I got my oil change and that's it.

yeah I noticed that after I said it, it dips well below that is what I meant. Mine hasn't done it since posting this though, go figure.

Can't the drop in filters cause dirt to get into the engine...??? I've read about this online. Not sure if this is true or not.:iono:

The drop in filters actually filter much better than the OEM filter and provide greater airflow.

The Perrin filter for instance is great at filtering out nearly all contaminants whilst providing increased airflow and a nicer sound.

It's simple, actually:

- fuel "chirp": don't bother with fixing it. It's not a mechanical problem and won't affect your car in any way, and the fix isn't a fix.
- the rest of the issues: have them run a VIN and apply any TSBs that are outstanding

As for individual problems, it's simple: just tell them you have these issues, that you are aware of current fixes. If the dealer doesn't want to service them, tell them you will take your labor work somewhere else. That's all that needs to be said. None of this "worst dealer ever" stuff.

We're not driving Ferraris, we're not limited to one dealer in an area.

-alex

F'n Ethanol
 

:offtopic:Sucks that you guys in So. Cal. can't get proper fuel for your cars.
Damn Ethanol, They tried to mandate it in one state here in Australia but only on regular unleaded so you can still get the High Octane 98 that hasn't been jumped on by some politician or farmers co-op.

Some say Ethanol is OK to use in modern vehicles. Usually they are people who don't care about YOUR car.
I prefer to run on Fuel the car was designed to run on.

Sorry , back to discussion.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html

Ethanol has been in American fuel for nearly 10 years now and auto manufacturers were made aware of the switch, it didn't happen overnight. This car was designed to use fuel containing up to 10% ethanol, and I'd be surprised if it was any different between regions aside from ECU tuning.

Don't really know how they've spun it to you guys in the States.

We've had this gear in our fuel for probably longer than 10 years as well.

Coming from an Engineering background, the way I understand it is Ethanol is an Alternative fuel. Petrol engines are generally designed to run on petrol and then modified and tuned to allow this Alternative fuel to be used. (eg. "E10 can be used in this vehicle.)
Some engines are designed to run on Ethanol and wear a badge that might say "E85". (up to 85 % Ethanol)* Not our cars*
There's no mechanical reason to introduce Ethanol to Petrol as you get less Economy when using an Ethanol blend compared to straight Petrol so it is not as efficient.
It's not for environmental reasons because if you use more fuel due to inefficiency how is that helping the Planet.
I think the reason we have ethanol is purely financial. Helps prop up the farming sector by making unwanted crops into alternative fuel. Too bad they can't turn those unwanted crops into real food and feed some people but you'll never make Billions doing that will ya.
Petrol in a Petrol Engine..Seems pretty straight forward to me, but I'm old and simple. Will probably be better when all us old buggers drop off and you kids can run your cars on mung bean juice or Possum tears or whatever.
Cheers.

Go- it helps pollution and that's why most major cities don't have no ethanol gas. The engine hate ethanol. That is why the car runs better on non ethanol than ethanol. And yes the crickets have to do with ethanol in the as.

Which Toyotas are you referring to?

......:lol:........yep, maybe then they will go back to the old multi-fuel engines used in 5 ton trucks in the Army back in the 60's..... hell, they would run on anything that was liquid and would burn .... :iono:

humfrz

That's what marketing would like you to believe.. It's BS.

That's what I figured...:bonk:

There is this additive that can be used along with your gas to rid it of the Ethanol; I use it in my Aircooled HP VW engines in the Fall and winter.
Star brite Star Tron Enzyme Fuel Treatment Gas Additive

Hope it helps you also

yep, the car is supposed to idle at 600 rpm

the only time my car idles above 600 is when it's still warming up or if the fans are on and it jumps to about 1k rmp for a few seconds and falls back to 600 intermittently; which most likely to avoid stalling out from the excess power consumed to blow the air

hmmmm........an enzyme for a fuel additive ..... :iono:

I went to do some research and discovered that those folks sure do know how to use meta-tags ..... :popcorn:

I reckon I must dig deeper .... ;)

humfrz

It wont get rid of the ethanol, it's a fuel stabiliser mainly for small engines that are unused for long periods. Ethanol doesn't store well.

If you wouldn't put a quality ash free 2 stroke oil in the tank you certainly shouldn't be considering additives like this with it's unknown content.

I had been using 3ozs of Walmart TC-W3 - didn't seem to do much for my MPGs, but didn't hurt.
Last 2 tanks, I started using 4ozs instead - it does seem to yield better mileage (notwithstanding our switch to winter blend, which lowers fuel efficiency).

My understanding was that TC-W3 would also lubricate and clean cylinder walls or something (as per bobistheoilguy) - and in my old Celica, it did improve my MPGs by 1-2 (for a ~30mpg car).

You might find a better quality oil will get the same results with 2oz and a zero ash version is a good idea so there's nothing left after combustion to block the cats.
I tried to look up the spec on that oil but only found a few moans that it was thin and smells bad.

It does smell..... unpleasant.... But at about $5CAD per liter, I'm content with the Walmart stuff for now.... I'm using TC-W3, which IIRC is ashless already.

So far so good!

Great, ashless is the important bit.
I take it you are adding it to shut up the chirps rather than get better economy?

I'm actually one of the lucky ones: My BRZ, bought in early July 2013 never had crickets (knock on wood)
So yeah, I'm using it to maximize my fuel economy (save it for the fun stuff)

I don't think it's marketing if several people on this very forum have also attested to that fact. The crappy fitlers in most car suck at filtering contaminants out and restrict the airflow when they clogged with contaminants.

An oiled filter, made of a better material will filter out more contaminants and provide greater airflow. It works the same as a household A/C filter in that regard. Some A/C filters are better at filtering and cooling than others. Marketing would be if the only people claiming that fact was Perrin and NO ONE else. Multiple reviews of different air-filters, as well as posters on this forum have claimed better filtration from drop in filters and better airflow.

Not personal experience, other owners are claiming similar idle dips in cars such as TC's, RAV's etc.

I googled "Toyota Idle Dip" plus a couple model names and came up with a few corroborating stories. I believe I kept it to new cars like ours, not something to be fixed by cleaning the MAF and throttle body and such.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31656

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205939

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/14...ough-idle.html

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/32...2012-5spd.html

Oh ok. My Taco idle dips when the AC is on and was wondering what other cars had the condensation in the taillights. I'm on TN and what you linked seems to be an issue with the newer cars. That's what happens when Toyota makes boring cars, they start slipping on quality. :thumbdown: