:word:Word! Heey your Bay Area, check out the "86" club I am trying to organize over on "the FaceBooks". Link is on my sig.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/03...exus-is-f.html
nice

Sticking with the scion. Looks better..... And their website is better :)

Not buying now anyway, my plan is to grab an STI BRZ when that comes out.

That is a shame. With a car like this, you should drive it 7 days a week instead of a few times a month. Your car will love you if you spent more time with it instead of beat it up a coupe of days each month and then leaving it alone in the garage. ;)

I think this is the total difference between the FRS and BRZ premium since people are only mentioning the NAV and HIDs. Please add if there are differences I'm forgetting.

-NAV
-HIDs with LED sorta halo(just overall nicer looking headlights)
-Better quality seating material
-LED DRL strip
-Trunk lid liner

Something else to consider. After a year or two of data collecting, insurance will most likely be lower for the BRZ.

Some minor differences (nothing that necessarily costs any more or less, just different)
-Different fender vent cover
-FR-S has red seat accents, BRZ does not
-BRZ has silver trim panel on dash, FR-S has black plastic carbon-look
-BRZ has ebrake handle cover
-BRZ has all black gauges with white/red lettering, FR-S has black-on-white for the tach
-BRZ has auto on/off headlights

Also might be worth looking at what's the same (the big stuff anyways):
-All mechanical bits
-All body panels except the front bumper
-Wheels and tires
-Steering wheel, pedals, shifter
-HVAC controls, window controls
-Number and size of speakers

BRZ also has gauge sweep

this.

I read somewhere that the tach does this on the Scion as well. This doesn't matter at all when I'm zipping around the track. All I care about at start up is "does the engine start?"

One thing that was brought up in the other thread - the Scion comes with a 2 year free maintenance program included in the price. So the price difference is actually a little bit more then $1300.

Exactly. While this may not be a huge thing, it's non-zero. Someone should go through the manual and see what maintenance you'd likely have in the first 2 years that would be covered, and come up with an approximate value.

Brett

How much is 4 oil changes and rotating your tires 2-3 times worth for you?

4 synthetic oil changes alone could easily add up to close to $300-400, seems like a non-trivial amount of money to be discounting from the price of the car.

Then you are going to one expensive ass dealership/mechanic. Shouldn't run you more than $60-70 if you want someone else to do it. And you quoted the value of it as $700 in the other thread. I think someone is overvaluing this.

The figure was actually "closer to 2000". And 70$ an oil change, 4 oil changes = 300$. So I consider 1600 "closer to 2000" then 1300 ;)

You said:


$2000- $1300 = $700. $700-$300= $400. Where did the other $400 go?

So that extra $300 in oil changes for a $25,000 car makes you want the FR-S over the BRZ? This is just more of people trying to justify the emotional decision they've already made. The prices are so similar that it just comes down to your own tastes. Let's just agree that they are all nice cars for what you pay.

Well no, my point was that it's a cost which probably shouldn't be ignored in the price of the car. Doesn't hurt to talk about it does it? Seems like the BRZ folk are being more emotional about things then I am.

Closer to does not equal "equals". Besides the 300 is just oil changes, I'm not sure what other maintenance is required. Oil filters, cabin filters, tire rotations. The BRZ manual is public we could just look it up. My point is simply it could end up being several hundred dollars.

Sorry Kiteless, I don't have Facebook. Left it long time ago. I'm glad you're on the same page as me with the FR-S!!! :happy0180:

It's not going to be a full dedicated track vehicle but at the same time I'm not too focused on the luxury items like navigation, HIDs, remote start, alcantara seats.

That's why I'm leaning towards the FR-S; because of the ability to buy the car w/out having to pay for the extra stuff that I don't want.

Then why in the world pick $2000 of all numbers? Why not think it through and pick a more appropriate number that would represent the truth?

If you are waiting, you will probably be able to haggle the BRZ close to the FRS price if you give it 6-9 months. But if you like the looks of the FRS more or just Toyota that is fine to.

Why not talk about it and discuss it though with me? That's the point of the discussion forum isn't it.

I'm coming from cars that have much higher maintenance costs. I gave an estimate of what I'm used too. After poking around online, the costs aren't much less at least for oil for this car. Even at the extremely low estimates, we are still talking about several hundred dollars just for oil changes included in the price of the FRS. Seems like that should be factored in when people are talking about the "value" one car presents over the other.

:happy0180:

Yea I think this will be the interesting thing to look out for, how the prices move after a while, and if you can haggle a BRZ below MSRP.

1300 is quite a difference, but arguably worth it. Now if you can close that gap a few hundred dollars, then it's like paying a bit under a thousand for HID and nav, which is a very good deal.

Or, if Subaru brings a R-spec over, things could get interesting because the R-spec would end up cheaper than the Scion but have crappier audio, which Americans seem to care about.

$1000 Scion Military rebate makes this over $2000 cheaper than the BRZ:thumbup:

I already tried doing that.


As well as Dave.

You are looking at about ~$300 worth of maintenance over that time period with the oil changes and tire rotations.



Has it been confirmed that the FRS will be eligible for that at launch?

See? The discussion forum concept is working! Yay! ;)

But that is ONLY looking at oil changes and tire rotations, throw in filters and potentially other odds and ends, inspections, etc. over 2 years, that could be one or two hundred more.

Now we're talking potentially 400-500 - potentially at least. Good enough for me to say "closer to 2000" ;)

Best car (to me) would be :
BRZ or 86 exterior with HIDs
FRS tach
FRS headunit but BRZ speakers (want good sound, but nothing fancy)
BRZ Premium seats
FRS "dash panel" (not the silver BRZ one)

just for the lulz

Are the speakers different between the FRS and BRZ?

If given the option I might actually order one without speakers :eyebulge:

This thread reminds me of

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CYILWTN4A6...5295759314.jpg

lol @ the cat!

the quantity is different

That's true and tbh, I actually like the FR-S front end more than the BRZ. My ideal purchase time frame is when there are several FR-S' sitting in the lot with a nice layer of dirt on them.

Randomly point at the car and be like, "mmm, I've never seen this car before, is it new... looks like it's been sitting here for a while!?!" Then the hustling starts! :bellyroll:

I don't mind too much if the Scion doesn't sell. It's kind of nice to drive a rare car. I would be disappointed if it doesn't inspire other car makers to follow Toyota into this market and if lack of sales causes a lack of aftermarket support and factory car development overall.

If this car doesn't wake Nissan up to make a new S chassis, I don't know what will.

What's with all of the QQing over all the "my penis is bigger than yours" talk. Are you guys buying this car to drive it or to show it off as a status symbol? Both cars are THE SAME. Subaru does NOT make great interiors. They never have. You want award winning interior quality? Go buy a BMW. You want a fun to drive car? Go buy a BRZ or an FRS and stop trying to say yours is better than someone else's. It's the same car.

Agreed, we are in this together, FRS and BRZ owners unite. We both need this car to be popular to ensure future potential.

One side note, BMW has never been known for their quality interiors either. ;)

I'll get the FR-S, and slowly get the GT-86 parts from German headlights\fogs\ to jdm GT86 badges.... I should be fine... I want to keep the car looking clean.

Exactly what I want