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robot 09-28-2013 12:59 AM

I just want to log for now.

jamesm 09-28-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robot (Post 1238889)
Tactrix cable and ideally a wideband O2 gauge (iirc innovate's can log alongside the romraider stuff).

Also a k-line obd ii cable could be used as a Tactrix cable (ver 1). Not sure if a generic k-line cable will work with the new can bus ecu we have.

this doesn't work on the latest ecuflash builds (anything past 1.28 i believe, as that is the newest version that i could get to recognize a standard j2534 cable). the newer versions require the tactrix branded cable, though that appears to be easily defeated with dongle cracking tricks if you were so inclined (unless you already own a bus pirate, you probably don't wanna go that route ;)).

best to save the trouble and buy the tactrix cable as it's cheap, has cool features (onboard logging, and the innovate plug you mentioned) and is a very good cable for the price.

StormTrooper 09-28-2013 07:37 PM

Unless the exhaust temps are the reason innovates sensors burned up I'd stay away from them.

Had 5 in 50k miles on my wrx. Then the unit itself started having problems.

From what I understand the aem worked better but needed a custom cable to log with

jamesm 09-28-2013 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormTrooper (Post 1239851)
Unless the exhaust temps are the reason innovates sensors burned up I'd stay away from them.

Had 5 in 50k miles on my wrx. Then the unit itself started having problems.

From what I understand the aem worked better but needed a custom cable to log with

Weird I've used innovate sensors (actually they're Bosch sensors, same supplied to many oems) for years without issues. Where were you installing them? Heat can be an issue if installed in the wrong location.

StormTrooper 09-29-2013 08:29 AM

As far back in the dp as the cable would reach....

It was wrapped and I was running high boost. As much for the fact that I have 12psi for atmosphere

jamesm 09-29-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by StormTrooper (Post 1240374)
As far back in the dp as the cable would reach....

It was wrapped and I was running high boost. As much for the fact that I have 12psi for atmosphere

maybe the wrap, load on the turbo, and placement options conspired to kill your sensors lol.

StormTrooper 09-29-2013 01:51 PM

About 300whp at 4500 ft.

Takes lots of boost in a stock turbo wrx.

stugray 09-29-2013 02:45 PM

I tried to get romraider to work with one of the posted RR_BRZ ECU definition files.
I get the "Cannot find ECU definition file" error.

Anyone on this forum actually get it to work yet?
I dont want to flash anything.
I just wanted to play with romraider before deciding if I want to go the ecuflash route or the openflash tablet route?
BTW - what ROM editor is used with Openflash? Can you still use romraider to edit the ROMs?

jamesm 09-29-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1240721)
I tried to get romraider to work with one of the posted RR_BRZ ECU definition files.
I get the "Cannot find ECU definition file" error.

Anyone on this forum actually get it to work yet?
I dont want to flash anything.
I just wanted to play with romraider before deciding if I want to go the ecuflash route or the openflash tablet route?
BTW - what ROM editor is used with Openflash? Can you still use romraider to edit the ROMs?

you can open the rom colby posted in tunerpro with the openflash defs (just don't open the flat foot shift or launch control tables lol). still waiting on the guy from the romraider forum to post his xml def. you could convert the .xdf from the openflash files to a romraider xml if you really didn't want to wait for it, or just use tunerpro for the time being.

that's important to note: you can use any tuning software for which defs are available for either flashing solution. all the openflash/ecuflash do is flash the rom. editing it is an entirely separate process.

SkullWorks 10-01-2013 07:00 PM

you can use RomRaider and the RR_ZA1JA00c XML to open any of the OpenFlash Roms that have the SAME revision (ZA1JA00C)

Rom Raider actually has many more defined tables...and since td-d actually knows what he is looking at/for, ALL of the CEL tables have been Identified and defined. Looks highly promising...just waiting on the beta of ECUFlash now....




Sonolin 10-01-2013 07:21 PM

Does anybody know if Ecuflash has a donation link? I'd love to donate to them (they are open source aren't they? Couldn't find much information about the actual software...).

FrX 10-01-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkullWorks (Post 1244820)
you can use RomRaider and the RR_ZA1JA00c XML to open any of the OpenFlash Roms that have the SAME revision (ZA1JA00C)

Rom Raider actually has many more defined tables...and since td-d actually knows what he is looking at/for, ALL of the CEL tables have been Identified and defined. Looks highly promising...just waiting on the beta of ECUFlash now....




As far as I can tell, the RR defs work for any of the OpenFlash roms. They all appear to be based around the same ZA1JA00C rom. They just appear to have the CAL ID headers changed.

jamesm 10-02-2013 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonolin (Post 1244863)
Does anybody know if Ecuflash has a donation link? I'd love to donate to them (they are open source aren't they? Couldn't find much information about the actual software...).

if you wanna support ecuflash, buy a tactrix cable. if you wanna support romraider, you can donate on the romraider.com main page with paypal.

ecuflash isn't open source, romraider is.

Td-d 10-02-2013 02:48 AM

Morning guys

Just to answer some of the questions in the thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkullWorks (Post 1228909)
Is it only the Beta version that will interface the BRZ or will the release candidate 2 out currently work? Guess i need to dust off the OP2.0 again.

Ecuflash will allow both the editing and flashing of the Roms onto the ECU, whilst RR is an editor, logger and more recently has learning view capability incorporated (though not yet for the BRZ, the logic will need to be reviewed to see if there are changes, and the Ram addresses identified). I already have a good deal of the extended (4 byte) parameters defined, still digging through the logic to fully define, since the structure of the SSM array table is different in these new roms.

On reading Ecutek roms - the ones I've seen seem to be locked / encrypted. And
Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1229522)
There is no "deciphering" of ecutek tunes. They use the same map addresses as the stock tune. And we read an ecutek rom using the standard read protocol used to read stock roms. We won't even bother trying to crack the ecutek security because, IMHO, it's not necessary or even worth doing given other (better) options.

echoes my sentiments exactly.

On the issue of the various CAL IDs, I've seen the SADM and USDM roms, and as soon as Colby releases the beta, I'll be able to pull a local (South African) rom, which is the EUDM version. From what I've heard, there are little differences between the territories (generally the US roms are more anal about emissions). In any case, once one rom is defined, it is pretty straightforward to define the others using a set of of templates that speed up the disassembly process. Colby has also mentioned that he will assist with software that he developed that will auto define most of the roms once the initial table template is set up, which will speed things along.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkullWorks (Post 1244820)
Rom Raider actually has many more defined tables...and since td-d actually knows what he is looking at/for, ALL of the CEL tables have been Identified and defined. Looks highly promising...just waiting on the beta of ECUFlash now....

Since I was already stuck in, I thought I'd finally define all the Alpha parameters that I've pulled out over the past 1-2 years. I've been avoiding it since it's tedious work and time is constrained - especially when it's for over a hundred tables and parameters :D

I've defined about 70 odd 'new' tables for the BRZ, of which ~30 are specific to DI, the other 40 are previously defined 'Alpha' parameters, a lot of which were identified through COBB's implementation on the forced induction platforms (I've never denied that ;) ).

There are still quite a few new tables to be incorporated into the definition, just need to find the time - hot restart, knock sensitivity, idle throttle, the remainder of the tau tables (transient fueling) to name a few (and I need to also trawl the logic to see whether others exist, like cruise/non-cruise map blending).

Once we have a fairly comprehensive solution going, I intend to work with Merp (if he has the time) to see if we can port his work to the BRZ platform (FFS, LC, map switching, Knock CEL flash, High EGT CEL flash, amongst a host of others). Otherwise, I need to start boning up on C## and the Renesas HEW environment...

Td-d 10-02-2013 02:54 AM

One other thing - the picture of the timing table posted using the first definition needs to be replaced with one from the latest definitions (since the first iteration inherited the scaling from the existing roms, which is different (to be precise, the old scaling is (x*.3515625)-20, whereas the BRZs use (x*.3515625)-30 - hence the timing tables are 10* overstated).

Just before we start a whole thread about how open source is prone to errors, and the superiority of closed platforms ;) (trolololol...)

mswhong 10-02-2013 03:21 AM

Is this open-source software? Like BRZEdit? I'm a bit new to the tuning industry.. never heard of the mentioned companies :(

FrX 10-02-2013 03:33 AM

OpenFlash, TunerPro, and ECUFlash are not open-source. They do not grant access to the source code of the applications themselves. They, however, do not encrypt or restrict what you are able to do with edited ROM files. RomRaider is completely open source. It's source code is available to all those that may want a copy.

Sportsguy83 10-02-2013 10:32 AM

I am really watching how all of this develops... ECUtek is awesome, but being locked and at the mercy of a tuner can really turn into a horrible situation so FAST....

Ask any of the Visconti and other tuners customers waiting a month or more for any type of response, let alone a real look at their logs and a real file update.

bfrank1972 10-02-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 1245952)
I am really watching how all of this develops... ECUtek is awesome, but being locked and at the mercy of a tuner can really turn into a horrible situation so FAST....

Ask any of the Visconti and other tuners customers waiting a month or more for any type of response, let alone a real look at their logs and a real file update.

Correction, ecutek WAS awesome, now it's the most expensive and least flexible option on the market :)


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Sonolin 10-02-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1245397)
if you wanna support ecuflash, buy a tactrix cable. if you wanna support romraider, you can donate on the romraider.com main page with paypal.

ecuflash isn't open source, romraider is.

Thank you! I just donated. Love to see more work on open source tuning tools.

SkullWorks 10-02-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Td-d (Post 1245578)
Morning guys

Just to answer some of the questions in the thread:





Me Love you long time

hunter3232792 10-02-2013 05:06 PM

and this is why i have been holding off on a tune

Td-d 10-05-2013 08:02 AM

Short update on the timeframes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyPSF
I checked with Colby this morning and he's decided to make some fundamental changes to some of the EcuFlash internals that effect all of our flashes. We need to do some thorough testing on all ECUs we support so that we don't release a beta version that works for BRZ but happens to break something else. Once you release a beta it's impossible to remove it from the internet so we want it to be problem free. He's hoping to have something ready to post here in the next few days.


jamesm 10-05-2013 11:25 AM

when i talked to tactrix the other day they said friday or early next week.. so it should be soon. anticipation is killing me lol.

King Tut 10-08-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1252700)
when i talked to tactrix the other day they said friday or early next week.. so it should be soon. anticipation is killing me lol.

Once you tell me it is a go, I will be placing my order for my first Tactrix cable. :D

whitefrs 10-08-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1258642)
Once you tell me it is a go, I will be placing my order for my first Tactrix cable. :D

wanna be my tuner? lol

King Tut 10-08-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 1258661)
wanna be my tuner? lol

You have yourself a good tuner. :lol: I am happy with my tuner, but I am a tuner myself at heart, and I want a crack at tuning my own car.

qoncept 10-08-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1258642)
Once you tell me it is a go, I will be placing my order for my first Tactrix cable. :D

I ordered mine before the rush. (The one I have is a v1.1 that was really only good for my 04 WRX)

King Tut 10-08-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qoncept (Post 1258665)
I ordered mine before the rush. (The one I have is a v1.1 that was really only good for my 04 WRX)

The good part is that all our local Subarus are open source tuned by Anthony @ Drunkmann Tuning so I can easily unload the cable when I am done with it.

whitefrs 10-08-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1258664)
You have yourself a good tuner. :lol: I am happy with my tuner, but I am a tuner myself at heart, and I want a crack at tuning my own car.

:paddle:

jamesm 10-09-2013 08:43 PM

the anticipation is killing me. any news? i haven't seen anything on the other forum since last friday.

reardrv 10-09-2013 09:33 PM

I'm waiting patiently for more news as well. I've had the Tactrix 2.0 cable for a while after having used it on a few other cars and was hoping I would be able to use it on this one. It's the mod that keeps on giving! :D

Td-d 10-11-2013 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1261195)
the anticipation is killing me. any news? i haven't seen anything on the other forum since last friday.

Ditto!

kmbkk 10-11-2013 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1258664)
You have yourself a good tuner. :lol: I am happy with my tuner, but I am a tuner myself at heart, and I want a crack at tuning my own car.

We need to meet up if/when I get back. I may have you take a look at my tune.

jamesm 10-11-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmbkk (Post 1263899)
We need to meet up if/when I get back. I may have you take a look at my tune.

we're all relatively close... we should see about splitting some dyno time somewhere central and make a day of it :thumbsup: @Sportsguy83

King Tut 10-11-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1264031)
we're all relatively close... we should see about splitting some dyno time somewhere central and make a day of it :thumbsup: @Sportsguy83

Now that sounds like a plan. I would love a Florida Forced Induction Dyno Day. :thumbsup:

King Tut 10-11-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmbkk (Post 1263899)
We need to meet up if/when I get back. I may have you take a look at my tune.

No problem. I am VERY good at reading datalogs.

Z0rr0 10-11-2013 07:34 PM

Anticipation is killing me.. i suppose if i could at least log it with romraider that would keep me happy. but can't do that either!

Deadspool 10-11-2013 07:48 PM

I am very excited for this as well.

SloS14 10-11-2013 08:34 PM

Me as well also too.


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