didn't really read through all the posts, but you should really avoid using cheaper waxes like Turtle Wax.

More expensive waxes $60+ have higher carnuba content. The carnuba really gives your car the pop you're looking for with wax. If you're more concerned about protection rather than looks, go with a sealant. Sealants are cheaper and lasts longer. Waxes last up to 3 months, but i'd say it starts wearing off around a month if it's exposed to the daily environment.

I get great results using Dodo Juice

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I like the Meguiars Ultimate paste wax along with the ultimate detailer for those nasty bird droppings. I do wax about twice a month so i'm not sure about how long it can last, but i can say it lasts for two weeks! haha

Recently I found an old bottle of Turtle Wash'n'Wax i.e simply washing with it is supposed to wax it at the same time. I just diluted it to double the strength with rainwater,in a clean oil collector pan and painted it lightly all over the car with very soft nylon broom. I ensured it had no chance to dry and painted all over again. When I say "paint" I mean NEVER rubbing/pressing. The first coat soaks into & loosens the dirt and the second pass shifts it. Agitate the broom in the solution to let solid dirt drop out.
Still wet, I flooded rainwater onto the highest surfaces downwards to the lowest to wash off the solution and dirt.
Finally I towelled the glass dry.... only the glass.
I must say that I was pleasantly surprised. I allowed the paint to dry on its own and there was no spotting or streaking.

When the paint was dry I was curious to see if the wax had coated the paint so I placed a dry towel on the roof and drew it across under its own weight and indeed the the surface
was slippery as you only get if there is wax present.

Easily the fastest wash ever for me.
I am not sure if having the wax component included with the wash component has anything to do with it but bugs seemed to come off much more easily than usual too.

Water on the paint does not bead like it does after the usual waxing but I have used this method 4 times now and am yet to find a downside.

I can appreciate that there are more expensive waxes than Turtle Wax Ice - I've used Zaino in the past, which was considered an excellent product 10 years ago (maybe still is??).

But I gotta say, the TW Ice Liquid Wax is simply amazing, and it's the same price point as similar Meguiar's products, which I also like a lot.

For me, "amazing" means that application of TW Ice is way easier than any other product I've used in 45 years. Easy on/easy off and it goes on everything - no white crap left behind. The appearance is easily as good, or better than other waxes, and at nearly a month now, it it protecting every bit as good as Day 1. I am very impressed.

Products like TW Ice Liquid Wax (and Meguiar's products) are probably not as protective on a long-term basis as other, more expensive and harder-to apply waxes. But, it's 2015, and it's awesome that car products have really come a looooong way from the days where there were two groups: "cheap/bad" products and "expensive/good" products.

So, I really don't agree with the blanket statement that affordable TW Ice/Meguiar's products are to be avoided.

I've been a long time user of Meguire's carnuba based wax (both quick wax and traditional paste).

I started using Turtle Wax Ice back in September.

I can say without a doubt the TW Ice is easier to apply, lasts longer, and does a better job of protecting my paint and keeping is slick as ice.

The Turtle Wash'n'Wax I referred to in post #43 must be at least 20 years old as I think I inherited it from my ex-dad R.I.P. I will replace with the modern "Ice" version.

I also used a product called STP something or other from a Reject shop years ago. It was thick stuff and non runny like tomato sauce and fluoro green color. You
washed and dried the car then smeared it lovingly all over everything with your hand, including glass, plastic, rubber and metal and let it dry. Then you just squirted it off with a strong jet of water from a hose (no rubbing at all) and towelled off the droplets. It beaded well but I have seen better. Afterwards, the dry paint was so slippery the plastic bottle would not stay on the roof... it slipped off. I am not kidding and nothing else I've tried has ever been that slippery. Similarly a dry towel seemed to be repelled off the paint and felt like it was floating over it. ? electrostatic repulsion? It neither attracted or repelled dust. The effect would last a few weeks. It smelt slightly of hydrocarbons so I guess they were in the product as an emulsion, so while the stuff was still wet it would loosen/dissolve lipophilic dirt which would be washed away when you squirted it off. Hydrocarbons are somewhat rugged on rubber (which waxes rarely tell you) but they clearly stated to put it on everything. If anyone knows the formula I'd like to know... I asked STP and received no answers.

Another vote for Turtle Wax Ice. Great product!

A really good, easy wax is Eagle One Nanowax. Also not expensive. It's supposed to be some sort of ground up, "microfibre" carnauba wax. Still, it's not costly and the shine is excellent.

I switched to Meguiar's Gold Class Carnauba Plus last weekend and the results were better, but the Nanowax does a great job and is just drop dead easy to apply. I use it now for touch up. The Meguiar's has more depth and intensity overall. The slightly yellowish tinge of the Meguiar's just makes the Hot Lava paint explode with color!

That was used on your '57 T-Bird, right?

I try to do a once a quarter wax with Kitt brand, I really like that stuff. Then every few weeks I use meguires quik wax, which really seems to hold up well for how easy it is. I haven't used any wax in about two months and it was still beading up nicely.

Every time I wax it though I get a little more insane with all the nicks and cuts in this terrible subaru paint. Seriously, invest in a good Suntek clear bra. I kick myself every day for not biting the bullet on that the first week I got it.

I aim to wash every week, wax every 4 weeks, and clay/ironx/polish/seal/wax every 6 months. I use Menzerna Power Lock for sealant and Pinnacle Liquid Souveran for wax, both applied with PC 7424xp, and love the shine on my CWP.

Oh I wish I had a 57 Bird!
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I always avoided Turtle Wax....every detailer I know refers to it as trash.

I was recently put onto Collinite 845. Good stuff....seems to stay on pretty strong for a few months although I try to wax once a month. And I use a Chemical Guys quick detail/wax spray in between.

Next time you speak to one of the detailers you know, would you ask what they don't like about T/W and post here. Is it "Wash & Wax" they don't like or just the Wax. I like the "Wash & Wax" as it is so easy.

I tried the "Wax" and found it VERY difficult to get off the green stuff once it had dried. It took ages and I did not like having to rub when I had been used to others that pretty much brushed off. I hurled it in the bin.

Any chance your detailer friends are thinking of the old, classic Turtle Wax? I can't speak to that product - haven't used it in 40 years.

Turtle Wax Ice is a relatively new product line, unlike any previous product from them. Check the reviews on [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Wax-T-468R-ICE-Liquid/dp/B007KTINZI"]Amazon[/ame]. It's a different type of product than Collinite - it's not a traditional Carnauba wax - and it's pretty amazing, IMO.

Try it!

Yup - you are referring to the old, green stuff.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Wax-T-468R-ICE-Liquid/dp/B007KTINZI/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1422325960&sr= 1-1&keywords=turtle+wax+ice+liquid+wax"]TW Ice Liquid Wax[/ame] is a new formulation - nothing to do with the old product. It's a white-ish liquid that goes on super fast and wipes off just as fast. It results in a deep shine that beads up like crazy. Plus, it goes on everything - paint, plastic, glass - everything, no nasty white residue on black trim and it does amazing things to all of these surfaces.

If you are into carnauba-based waxes, that's great. But thankfully, these days there are alternatives that are super easy/fast to use that provide wonderful results.

been using turtle wax ice for almost 6 years now, my father turned me onto it and i was super skeptical at first, but his cars always looked amazing. So one day I took him up on the offer to try it out, firstly, its super easy to put on, secondly you don't have to worry about applying it on your black plastic trim (or rubber). You're actually encouraged to do it to protect the trim. I've even used it on my window (as if it was rain-x) and i don't even need to use my wipers when it rains.

Will do. I've never tried it before so I can't really speak on it myself. I just trusted their word.

They probably are talking about the older stuff. I've never even heard of the "Ice" wax. I only seen the green colored containers whenever I went to Walmart or Target. But I will definitely check it out, maybe I can toss it in the mix as an in-between quick wax.

I see that we may not be comparing apples with apples. The green stuff that I did not like was in a clear green glass? bottle, inverted conical shape with a large screwcap and sounds like old stuff. The concensus on the "Ice" version seems
very positive. I like that it can be applied to everything including rubber. I will try

Report back!

turtle wax liquid wax or spray wax? not the same? which is the one to get?

Turtle Wax Ice has some confounding names between two products and on Amazon, you'll find some reviewers complaining that "the product has changed" when in fact they just bought the wrong one.

The TW Ice Liquid Wax is the product I've used. It goes on/comes off really easy and can be used on everything - def not your Father's TW. Here's a link:

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Wax-T-468R-ICE-Liquid/dp/B007KTINZI/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1422529512&sr= 1-2&keywords=turtle+wax+liquid+ice"]Amazon.com: Turtle Wax T-468R ICE Liquid Wax - 14 oz.: Automotive[/ame]


TW Ice Spray Wax gets crazy reviews on every site I've visited, so I bought it but have yet to use it. Reportedly, it's super fast - just spray/wipe and users find they can apply this after every wash since it takes so little time to do. Really looking forward to using this stuff. Gotta wait for this crappy Winter weather to ease up.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007KTINWQ/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1"]Amazon.com: Turtle Wax T-477R ICE Spray Wax - 20 oz.: Automotive[/ame]

Does anyone have any issues with the ice leaving a greasy type residue after its wiped?
I used it once years ago when it 1st came out and wasn't a fan because of this "greasiness".

Haven't seen that. A clean, good quality MF cloth removes everything with little effort. No streaks, swirls, grease/slime, nothing. And that's in cool weather in bright sunshine.

Finally got a day in MD near 50 degrees. Washed my FRS and had a little time to try the Turtle Wax Ice Spray Wax I mentioned earlier in this thread.

I can see why there are so many awesome reviews for this product - I got excellent results in almost no time. After washing, it was really a spray on/wipe off experience. It took just under 30 minutes to completely wax my FRS. That's amazing. Next time, it'll be less as I got quicker as I went along.

There's some chance that the results I got were b/c I previously use TW Ice Liquid Wax - don't know. But the finish is great - deep color, super mirror shine, water beads like crazy. I am sure that the Liquid Wax is more robust, but this might be a good in-between product for me.

So far, I am a fan. When products are this easy/fast to use, affordable, and have such awesome results, it makes it far more likely that I'll use them more often.

P&S Ultracoat Wax

Follow up to my previous post...

It's been a month of non-stop wicked-cold weather here in MD, which results in a month of crap building-up on my FRS.

Yesterday the temps magically rose to 55 degrees and I got out to do a quick wash before the temps drop again. Have to report that the Turtle Wax ICE Liquid wax applied months back, bolstered by the ICE Spray wax a month back continues to provide amazing shine, color depth and water beading. After just a wash it looks like I just waxed it. I was going to do another application of Spay Wax, but frankly, it didn't need it.

Continuing to be super impressed with the ICE products from TW. The glass and plastic trim treated with ICE also look amazing.

I have to agree with the last part. I used the Ice spray on my side view mirrors and the results were amazing. These mirrors get filthy fast. I have been using glass cleaner on them but still was not happy with the results. One application of ICE and they looked better than new; they were highly reflective and worked beautifully.

I tried a little on the windshield but didn't like those results. Once it rained, the wiper blades caused smearing and streaking from the wax. I will stick to using glass cleaner on the front.

:)

reporting back as requested
 

Hi billyk. I have just treated with Turtle Wax Ice liquid wax T-468R. We shall see how it is holding up as time goes by.

I am dubious about the consistency of the milky product and before I follow up with the makers, I would appreciate if you, and anyone else on this thread, noticed very small lumps in it. I suspect they may be the carnauba wax improperly dispersed. If that is the case the wax would not be evenly spread on the paint unless you rubbed hard and it is about the hardest wax you can get.

I am coming from the position of a person experienced in compounding pharmaceutical creams/emulsions and ointments. These are made with "optimal dispersion" whereby you preferably disperse solids at a molecular level so for the wax you would have it dissolved in some solvent and disperse that solution as droplets in an emulsion. On the paint the droplets would be spread and break down , freeing the wax molecules and they are spread at a molecular level. TW Ice is certainly an emulsion as it will mix with water.

Often, separation occurs, so you shake before use. The TW Ice does not say that, but I did.

Would you shake first and pour a little out and feel for lumps with your finger. I would describe mine as almost feeling gritty. If yours is smooth then I will return my unused portion.

Will do. Busy day. Will get back to you later.
-bk

Checked.

No lumps, no drips, no errors. After shaking.

Not sure it'll matter though if yours is different in some way. This is amazing stuff IMO. You can expect it to last for at least 3 months looking like you just applied it.

Good luck!

Some waxes will get thick when they sit. I've never used TW Ice but i have some Collinite 845 that when it sits it gets so thick you can't pour it, also gets real lumpy. I shake it like hell for 5 minutes and it gets as thin as milk and all the lumps go away. I also have some polishes and compounds that do the same thing just not as bad.
I shake everything before I use it (except beer).

Thx billyk. There is no evidence of the lumps on the paint after application but knowing they were present I rubbed vigorously with the pad and they seem to have been crushed and spread ok. I actually had the product in a sprayer as suggested by some user comments I read as they found it too runny. I rubbed my hand all over to spread thus ensuring the maximum thickness over the paint before it got soaked into the pad. I could make out around 6 tiny lumps per hand-sized area after hand spreading. I will follow up with the makers and depending on what they say I may keep it.

The shine looks really excellent and glassy and running a hand over it is o-so-smooth. The bottle placed on the bonnet/hood slips off. Next-door's cat can jump up now and I bet it never tries again. As for the glass, it takes a bit of effort to get the residue off but I have never seen glass look so sparkly/clear. Surely there cannot be any carnauba wax left on the glass ... maybe just the polymer which must be optically neutral. I've done a mirror in the bathroom and it will be interesting to see if it stops steam from the shower fogging it.

I have had a really good look at a sample of my Turtle Wax Ice liquid wax T-468R. I shook the bottle and spread a drop out on a mirror and looked thru a magnifying glass. There are LOTS of little yellowish lumps with a few larger 1mm. They feel almost gritty but squash out under your finger. I think they consist of carnauba wax softened with something. (Carnauba wax itself is too hard to squash).
Therefore, to squash out the c/w and ensure it is in a continuous film over the paint (when the softener has dried out) I believe you MUST rub it on hard if your product has the lumps. If it feels smooth then there's no need to rub hard.

My final fussy application method:
Put the awkwardly runny product in a spray bottle .. then you don't need to keep putting the cap down all the time in case you knock it over.
Pick a cool day preferably after rain i.e. airborne particles settled,and windless i.e. no fresh dust, indoors if possible .... you CAN use in sunlight and on a hot surface but it stands to reason that the longer the solvents stay in it the more chance it has to penetrate/dissolve any old wax or film and bond to the paint.
Squirt off grit with a strong jet.
Ideally you want to get right back to the clear coat, so if you are keen, spray a little kerosene or WD40 on to dissolve and liquify existing previous wax and oily road film. The next step will remove.
Wash with double strength car-detergent. Do not use a "Wash & Wax" type as you do not want to leave any residue that the Turtle Wax Ice liquid wax T-468R has to penetrate. Paint on all over with soft broom, let it soak in a bit then go over the loosened dirt with the broom again, not pressing and letting the tips of the bristles do the work flicking off the dirt, squirt off with strong jet and dry the car. Run the bristles of a soft brush through panel & other grooves to get excess water out. The product mixes with water so you do not need to be too fussy but water will dilute.
Spray a few patches over say a couple of square feet.
Quickly, while still liquid, rub it all over with your hand. You will have a thicker layer of liquid for longer to penetrate/dissolve your old wax and bond to the paint this way. It will not be very even with your hand alone. Therefore you should do the next step.
Before it dries, smooth evenly with the pad. If your sample has lumps, rub hard to squash and spread whatever they are so they join up.
Use one side of the microfibre cloth to quickly rub over and remove the oily-look. It will now look a bit dull.
Use another side of the cloth to buff to a glossy shine.

Nice! Good tips.
Glad you like the ICE stuff.
I love 'em.

Turtle wax commercial in 5,4,3,2...

I contacted the makers and they sent me a new bottle. TRULY excellent of them as it came within 10 days from the USA to Australia. The old cost me the equivalent of US$30 and that was on special, so it is not cheap. They offered no explanation despite my asking.

Although the product number is the same there are differences so I do not think the formulation is identical. It is completely smooth.
My old lumpy lot states "Dirt repellent Formula" in several places. There's no mention of carnauba wax in the new. The new states Shake Well and before shaking I can see it separates into a clear phase and a milky phase through the plastic.

So far(3 weeks later), the beading has reduced very noticeably and in a couple of areas there's was virtually no beading at all on the first wash. They were definitely treated so I can't explain, so I re-applied to those places. The dirt certainly washes off very easily now and it comes up a treat. Dirt accumulation down the sides from wet roads is markedly reduced.

Next time I will strip back to the clear coat with kerosene again and try the new to compare.

I spray wax every two weeks (turtle wax spray) and use turle quick detailer in between weeks to remove dirt.

Im not sure about polish, clay, and all the other detailer stuff..

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It is 6 months since applying Turtle Wax Ice liquid wax T-468R.

That has been through our Winter and the car mostly under a carport roof with direct sun 5 hours per day mostly on the hood. The car was washed maybe six times during that period using a neutral detergent with final thorough washing off of the detergent.

I am very pleased. Beading after 3 weeks was reduced but seemed to improve over the next week so now it looks the same as it was a month after application, the area that gets sun is no different to the rest, after the wash when I run a dry towel over the blobs and beads of water seems to leap off the paint into the towel leaving ZERO water film behind i.e. no need to do anything more like buffing. All I do is flop the dry towel on the roof for instance, then pull it over and down the glass and that's it.
Turtle Wax claim on my pack (the one that had lumps.... see my previous posts) that it "repels dirt" and indeed it does. It is possible to lightly brush off dry dirty spots and there is nothing left. The replacement pack does not claim dirt repel so I just hope that does. Splattered bugs come off fairly easily but I have seen better.
While the glass looked brilliantly polished originally it does seem to actually gather dust out of the air but I don't notice that on the paint.

All in all, cleaning is much easier and faster than untreated clearcoat. All I do is lightly "paint" all over the dirty car with a soft broom with strong car detergent, squirt off hard until there is no frothing, flow water on smoothly and "sheet off". This leaves some beading and blobs of water. Then I do the dry towel thing above and mop up a few bits in grooves and I am done. Only the glass needs a bit of a rub.