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FnFast 07-02-2013 12:28 PM

Audi and Lambo...Gallardo is a r8 basically i believe. its not uncommon. just the twins look very very alike.

GeorgeJFrick 07-02-2013 12:33 PM

Hyundai and Mitsubishi were supposed to collaborate; but in the end Hyundai got a kick start in the auto industry and Mitsubishi got a 'lol j/k'.

Rayme 07-02-2013 12:43 PM

The Chrysler Grand Caravan and VW Routan. That's gotta be reliable eh?

Also the Saturn VUE used a Honda V6.

Forty 07-02-2013 12:50 PM

An Isuzu Rodeo and Honda Passport were the same thing, badge engineered.

Richard Cranium 07-02-2013 12:54 PM

Nissan Frontier and Suzuki Equator

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/970074...front_view.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....rge_05_opt.jpg

Buick Regal and Suzuki Kizashi

http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/...ront_614mz.jpg
http://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-conte.../kizashi-1.jpg

Edit: Might be wrong on the Buick/Suzuki, but I swear I've seen a Buick clone on the road...thought it was Buick until I rolled up closer and saw the badges.

OrangeJuleas 07-02-2013 01:03 PM

Come on guys, don't forget this baby:

AC Ace
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ar_Spy_(5).jpg

Shelby/AC Cobra:
http://fivesgear.com/pics/AC/5b/e2/32_AC-Cobra_5.jpg

I would consider this one to be one of the more successful actual collaborations (British sports car body and American motor engineering), although only in retrospect. At the time it was a financial failure, which is why they only lasted until 1967 here in the States...

Too bad for me because now all the originals cost a fortune! :cry:

Oh, and just so everyone is on the same page:

Badge engineered (Rebadged) - Applying a different brand or trademark to an existing model of product (especially automobiles) and marketing the result as a "different model".

Platform Sharing - Platform sharing is different from rebadging, as an automobile platform may be used in many different ways and applications, such as using a single platform to produce and sell a sedan and a Sport Utility Vehicle. Two such products are different vehicles, whereas badge engineering involves the sale of essentially a single vehicle.

Joint Development - This is where two or more automobiles manufacturers develop parts simultaneously in order to produce one of more vehicles that share parts between them. Differs from the previous due to the automobile being designed concurrently (such as the BRZ/FRS).

For an example of collaboration, look towards NUMMI, the plant in Fremont owned by both GM and Toyota (oddly, now a Tesla factory). This is where the Vibe/Matrix was built.

strat61caster 07-02-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas (Post 1040148)
I would consider this one to be one of the more successful actual collaborations (British sports car body and American motor engineering), although only in retrospect. At the time it was a financial failure, which is why they only lasted until 1967 here in the States...

The Sunbeam Tiger was successful, same concept, but does it qualify as a "collaboration" when it's buying someone else's car and (essentially) tuning it? Does RUF or Brabus or (old) Abarth count as a collaboration? That's basically all Shelby is, a factory supported tuner. If GM had given him the money I'm sure we could all go out and buy Shelby Camaros today.

Edit: Nobody mentioned Corolla/Nova

kthxbai 07-02-2013 04:17 PM

Toyota Matrix & Pontiac Vibe

Sasquachulator 07-02-2013 04:19 PM

The Kizashi is its own car.
The Buick Regal is a rebadged European Opel Insignia I think. (its a rebadged Opel something, like all of Buick)

Those two aren't related in any way.

Sasquachulator 07-02-2013 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvan1998 (Post 1040006)
I bet no one guessed this.
Nissan quest and mercury villager.

I forgot what year lotus but i inow they used integra type r engine.

I don't think Lotus ever used a Honda motor.
The Elise/Exige used Rover K engines over in Europe and the Toyota 2ZZ-GE(Matrix XRS, Celica GTS, Corolla XRS) when they came to North America due to emissions.

The 2ZZ-GE acted and sounded very similar to an integra Type R motor, so you might be thinking of that, or someone swapped it in.

OrangeJuleas 07-02-2013 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1040639)
The Sunbeam Tiger was successful, same concept, but does it qualify as a "collaboration" when it's buying someone else's car and (essentially) tuning it? Does RUF or Brabus or (old) Abarth count as a collaboration? That's basically all Shelby is, a factory supported tuner. If GM had given him the money I'm sure we could all go out and buy Shelby Camaros today.

I would consider it so because AC dropped the Ace right when they started working with Shelby to produce the Cobra in 1962. Neither could have produced such a car without help from the other. Just because the initial design of the Ace was developed before doesn't make Shelby's contribution any less significant.

Also, regarding Ruf (from wiki): Because the labor is so thorough, including the installation of Ruf-made parts instead of Bade Engineering, the company is recognized as a manufacturer by the German government.

While they are very closely tied to another manufacturer's base model, they are too different at heart to be classified simply as a "tuned" version. I would classify them as being a collaboration (albeit not a simultaneous one). It's a close call though, and you do bring up a valid point about what truly constitutes a "collaboration". :thumbup:

Also, what about the Callaway C16? Technically speaking, it's a Corvette, but is it really a Corvette?

iff2mastamatt 07-02-2013 05:34 PM

Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice... but they were both GM companies.

post_break 07-02-2013 06:18 PM

De Tamaso Pantera with Ford.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...antera_GT5.jpg

strat61caster 07-02-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas (Post 1040952)
I would consider it so because AC dropped the Ace right when they started working with Shelby to produce the Cobra in 1962.

I never realized AC did the accommodations to the chassis, I always figured Carol had just bought the cars and hacked them up in his shop.

:happy0180:

Still with RUF and Callaway, the OEM isn't doing any changes on their end, just selling the car to the "tuner" like they would any other consumer as far as I can tell.

mrlewistan 07-02-2013 06:34 PM

aston martin cygnet and toyota/scion iq

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...WcyGfQxBXos6dHhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0621_front.JPG

vh_supra26 07-02-2013 06:45 PM

Acura SLX and Isuzu Trooper/Holden Monterey.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...9_wagon_02.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...03-30-2012.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-Acura-SLX.jpg

Ryuu0u 07-02-2013 06:50 PM

The chevy cavelier and whatever the hell it was called by Toyota.

vh_supra26 07-02-2013 06:51 PM

Cadillac Catera and Opel Omega/Vauxhall Omega.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lac_Catera.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...l_Omega_VR.jpg

vh_supra26 07-02-2013 06:53 PM

Mercedes-Benz Sprinter and Dodge Sprinter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e-Sprinter.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_2_v_sst.jpg

vh_supra26 07-02-2013 06:56 PM

Mazda Protégé and Kia Sephia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Kia-Sephia.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Protege_LX.jpg

CAMBAM_6 07-02-2013 06:59 PM

3 Attachment(s)
A few more

Trashed675 07-02-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1041154)
Cadillac Catera and Opel Omega/Vauxhall Omega.


It was also sold as the Geo Metro in the states.

I always laughed because you could buy GM's most POS car from its most POS division or you could buy the same thing from their "best" division for alot more money....who the hell would actually buy the caddy?

Trashed675 07-02-2013 07:14 PM

Dodge dakota and Mistubishi Raider(?)

Trashed675 07-02-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vh_supra26 (Post 1041158)
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter and Dodge Sprinter.

Freightliner had a copy of this too.

Luis_GT 07-02-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1040639)
The Sunbeam Tiger was successful, same concept, but does it qualify as a "collaboration" when it's buying someone else's car and (essentially) tuning it? Does RUF or Brabus or (old) Abarth count as a collaboration? That's basically all Shelby is, a factory supported tuner. If GM had given him the money I'm sure we could all go out and buy Shelby Camaros today.

Edit: Nobody mentioned Corolla/Nova



Same as Cosworth...

Cosworth Sierra FTW!

Drftfan 07-02-2013 08:02 PM

Vw and Porsche. 914.

Tiremonkey0824 07-02-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1039159)
The Eclipse and the Talon. The Firebird and Trans Am.

Firebird and Trans Am we're both Pontiac actually. Firebird had a v6 except for the formula and Trans Am had a v8.

Sasquachulator 07-02-2013 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 1041145)
The chevy cavelier and whatever the hell it was called by Toyota.

It was called....

The Toyota Cavalier :barf:

Trashed675 07-02-2013 09:12 PM

Scion xB and the Dihatsu Materia....Although they aren't sold in the same countries. I first saw the Materia on top gear when Jeremy tested one against an Ascari A10 for a "real world comparison test" :lol:

kajun 07-02-2013 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trashed675 (Post 1041450)
Scion xB and the Dihatsu Materia

That doesn't count at all because Toyota owns Daihatsu (and Scion obviously)

mav1178 07-02-2013 09:52 PM

Wrong section for this discussion...

And before anyone calls me out, the more "off topic" threads we have, the lesser the quality of the forum in the long run.

If not, then what is the point of separating discussion topics?

Been seeing too many of these types of threads lately in the wrong areas.

-alex

OrangeJuleas 07-02-2013 09:57 PM

Hey guys, while we're on the topic of the Cavalier don't forget about the rebadged version that became the Cadillac Cimarron. It almost killed off Cadillac in the late 80's.

Cavalier (love the graffiti behind it, just seems so...appropriate :D):
http://autofrei.files.wordpress.com/...3/p2194272.jpg

Cimarron:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...07-01-2009.jpg

Anyone remember the Buick Skyhawk? No? Nobody? That's because you probably mistook it for a Cavalier with a kit.
http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...590913276.jpeg

Does anyone even remember Oldsmobile?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...enza_sedan.jpg

Bonus! (Pontiac Sunbird):
http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-64383.jpeg

:sigh: It's like they got together, found the perfect body style and said, "yep, this is the one everyone wants, the only differences they might like are headlights and rims. Now let's go snort some coke! (this being the 80's and all)".

And good times were had by all (except Cimarron drivers, whom many of which said they would never drive a Cadillac again).

roddy 07-02-2013 10:17 PM

I was going to bring up the GM 5 cars out of one car thing, but they pretty much do that across the board...all junk and it just about killed GM.

I don't remember a Toyota version of the cavalier as mentioned earlier, but I do remember the Toyota Nova/Chevrolet Corolla. The Chevy LUV pick up of the 70's was a rebadged Toyota, iirc. The Suzuki/Chevrolet/Pontiac/GMC Tracker and Asuna sunrunner were all the same. Same goes for the Chev Sprint/Pontiac Firefly/Geo Metro/Suzuki Swift (or was it a forza?...I can't remember). Not really collaborations, just more badge trading.

Drftfan 07-02-2013 10:18 PM

A collaboration isn't a rebadged car by the same company. General Motors owned Chevy and Pontiac. Not really a collaboration.
Ford imported the pantera but it was not a collaboration

gvan1998 07-02-2013 10:22 PM

Geo Prism and Toyota Corolla

gvan1998 07-02-2013 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ae86stunt (Post 1041804)
I did. As well as Dodge Caravan, Chrysler Town and Country, VW Routan... All the same van... Believe it or not All 3 use the 3.8L V6.
Its funny to pull a VW in the shop, pop the hood and see Chrysler on the engine..

There are many more out there.
Mazda b2500, Ford Ranger one that comes to my mind...

People would be disgusted if they were mechanics... Pulling several different makes in the bay, and end up servicing the same part, same #'s and faulty design...

Actually, late 1980's dodge Caravan engines were made by Mitsubishi.

Fluxx 07-02-2013 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u (Post 1041145)
The chevy cavelier and whatever the hell it was called by Toyota.

One of the locals that worked in the base food court in Okinawa had one. I had to wonder if his Toyota Cavalier soured his opinion on Toyota at all.

1slowbrz 07-03-2013 12:04 AM

Don't forget.. like... Everything made by GM...

Current line up examples:

Chev Equinox = GMC Terrain = Cadillac SRX
Chev Traverse = GMC Acadia = Buick Enclave
Chev Silverado = GMC Sierra
Chevrolet tahoe/suburban = GMC Yukon = Cadillac Escalade

I could go all day.


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