no....lol

wish they didn't screw up the styling..they could have kept up with Ferrari, they didn't.

I suggest bringing a rubber ducky, because the interior of the Camaro is like sitting inside of a bathtub.

Ask yourself if you like going in a straight line fast. If you do, trade it in. Because that Camaro won't do anything else besides that.

Turbo'ed frs will pretty much beat anything in the streets. just look at the crawford's brz

"Power is nothing without control".:burnrubber:

I'd say you should trade it first, you can always come back anyway. :slap:

If you want power that badly and think the Camaro handles pretty good, make the trade. What's stopping you? :iono:

Maybe that's not the answer you were expecting on an FR-S board, but it sounds like you want one pretty badly.

I talked to a guy at a gas station once he was driving a Camaro, and he was drooling over my car. He wanted to swap. I was trying to be nice and was like oh yeah such a nice ride.

I wouldn't trade my car for two camaros.

We spent the majority of the conversation on the FRS.

I was looking at nearly every car on the market, new and 'older' cars (like the S2K and M3). Ford, Chevy and Dodge don't have a single car to entice me. They look okay and are insanely popular (oddly I don't like that). The Camaro and Challenger are 22" wheel sporting cars. They aren't tight, nimble, jackets that you slip on and take to the track.

If you want to go fast from one red light to the next then I guess you can stick to the American cars. I chose the FR-S after a lot of looking and constant test drives at every dealership in Raleigh. I finally admitted that the FR-S felt fantastic but it was missing the power a person my age wants in a weekend toy. So a turbo was a given. I can play with this car on straight aways and in the corners. And that's what makes me smile about the car. I'll always find someone in a faster car no matter what you buy. But I feel like I found what fits me and makes me happy.

If you've never driven a turbo FR-S you need to before you really make a decision. It could completely change your mind.

can always add power to a good chassis, But not add a good chassis to power

I agree with this. What I would do is start slow. 2 best bang for your buck additions are headers and a tune. Also a few vendors like FA20Club allows you to buy the headers now, and add there drop in turbo kit down the road without having to replace the header. I am leaning towards this way. Get a nice power bump now and get rid of the torque dip and then add there base turbo kit which will give you around 280 RWHP and 210 WTQ. Those are crazy good numbers on just about 6psi of boost.

I talked to Crawford on Father's Day at willow springs raceway.. He was telling me how insane that BRZ is.. To the tune that its too much really.. That he can spin 6th if he wants to.. What's the point lol?? To brag about your masculinity?? He was in a blue BRZ and was just talking about how much he has learned about the NA tuning and how much he enjoys that blue car..

BUT without giving things away.. A certian magazine tested a certian car and put down numbers in certian tests that's in the top 5 cars ever tested.. So Crawford did the car right.. I'm waiting for that issue

As @carbonBLUE said, my Supra is available! Precision 61mm at 23psi with lots of mods! ~500hp. If you want speed, look nowhere else! it's got a Boostlogic Auto to put all that power down too.

Although, if I were you, I would never trade my FRS for a built Supra, or a Camaro, or any other muscle car. You won't feel satisfied in the end. The only reason I drive the Supra now is to listen to chuchuchuchu noises, but 9 times out of 10, I'm in the FRS.

Well theres your answer, a FRSMARO or a BRZMARO

best of both worlds :D

Go autocross your car for like $30 bucks and then decide if you need more power.

buy the supra :bonk: its a classic/collector and street brawler. :happy0180:

For me the choice is clear. Based from the weight of an FRS / BRZ, turbo charging can only improve an already great power to weight ratio car. Depending on your hp goal, a usable daily drivable amount should be more than enough.

The way my car maneuvers in traffic is a good indication of what a monster this car would be with say 250 to 300whp. At that level, almost everything that you would encounter on regular basis could not compete with you. (pwr 2 weight) This should ring true unless you regularly encounter Corvettes, Vipers, Mustang SS, Ferraris, etc. The question to ask yourself is "IS THIS MY DD CAR OR DO I LIVE AT THE DRAG STRIP?"

I once traded cars for an hour with a buddy. I drove his modded '96 300Z TT. Within that short hour, I had a few challengers. I crushed them with almost no effort...IT TOOK ALL OF THE FUN OUT OF IT! Keep your FRS! God Speed!

Sounds fun to me :iono: I can save the boring, I mean reasonable cars for when I'm older.

On the topic of FRS vs Camaro. Your choice OP. You already sound kinda set on the Camaro, and you will be happier in the car that you personally prefer instead of the car that a bunch of guys on the internet tell you to get. I'll give it to you straight that the Camaro has more power, and the FRS handles better. The Camaro also has a surprisingly plasticy interior, worse than the FRS imo. You are also buying a used $50k car instead of a new $25k car, so there's gonna be a difference in insurance and cost of parts, which will be an issue if the Camaro isn't under warranty anymore.

If you want an uglier car, bad visibility and terrible blind spots, a car that's much heavier, has an awkward driving position and questionable reliability, then go for it. Trade your FR-S as you wish.

Power is fun for a while, and the sound of a V8 can be intoxicating. But I'll bet that you'll get bored of the Camaro rather quickly.

So I've let this thread run for a few days now and my question is have you traded yet..?? :iono:


Seeing how the FR-S is quote "absolutely perfect" other than power and now it's your a big guy after a few post.


Please trade so you will be happy with that "Government Motors Import" called a Camaro. :lol:

If the OP is serious about 500hp at the wheels, there are simply cheaper cars out there to achieve it. I don't personally understand the obsession with 500hp because you can rarely use it, and the end result is typically spending a lot of money on gas and speeding tickets.

Yeah, but who cares. Everybody hates motorcycles.... particularly when they are trying to sleep. There is always some tool that has to go 130mph on a local road or has a loud tailpipe. Some antisocial guy with a brain the size of a walnut who likes to make super loud intestinal noises - just to be noticed. A lot of motorcycle riders are regular decent people, but a minority are totally obnoxious child-men.

Well, you asked so here you go.

If I was going to sell my FR-S and buy a different car strictly for power, it would be the Camaro. In fact, it was number 2 on my list when I went with the twins.

I ended up with the FR-S because, well, I'm cheap. The Camaro I want(ed) was the ZL1 (if you're going for it go big, I say). Had the FR-S cost $35K instead of $25K I would have ended up with the ZL1.

I drove a lot of 2012 Camaros, including renting one for a 300 mile weekend. I never had any more issues seeing out of it then a do with the FR-S.

As far as reliability, I know everyone says that GM cars aren't reliable but I've had two go over 250K miles, and for the naysayers have you ever noticed how many old Camaros are still on the road? I see a lot more 70's and 80's GM products still on the road than I do Hondas and Toyotas. Some of it is scale I realize, but when's the last time you saw a Honda CVCC wagon on the road?

In the end, I think what you are thinking of doing is a reasonable trade for the purpose you want. Heck, I'd do it. My next car will probably be either a Camaro or Corvette, and I'll buy it used, keeping the FR-S.

Churn through 1 or 2 sets of those gigantic wheels and having 100+ more hp will get real old real quick. I don't mind the look of the Camaro on the outside, but, after sitting in one at a car show, I was completely turned off.

It is going to sound kind of corny, but, a Camaro is just like a Transformer, a big and heavy robot. It is kinda cool, but, the car has a mind of it's own. The FR-S feels more like you are wearing it like Iron Man. It feels like an extension of the man.

I would rather be Tony Stark any day.

I like the style. .. the muscle car look and thought it was a cool car after watching transformers lol. I love my frs and wouldn't trade it. Plus now they're like civics ..they're everywhere

Not yet. Give it a few more years, and they will be everywhere. :happy0180:

That's exactly what I would get if something happened to my car.

Maybe in Ohio.. Here in Vegas, I shit you not we came up to a stop light and at that one stop light there as 4 FRS shitting there.. It's getting hard to just go about daily business with out seeing at least one and up to three or four depending in the side of town.. While they are not quite like the civics, it's a lot more then I expected being produced in "low to moderate" production

I suspect the Twins are never going to reach Civic like proportions, simply because it doesn't have the practical back seats. In certain demographics, sure, until there's a competitor with cred and affordability both it's inevitably going to be hugely popular.

(Given the sales numbers thread, that you see 4 in one place at a time is more likely an anomaly compared to the sheer volume of other cars on the road.)

Hi....I am new here....take it from me....I owned a low 10 sec GTR and I was well over 600+ at the wheels. More power is fun but it gets boring quick because you get used to it and then that means more modding which in turn means more money. One of my buddies who sold his GTR told me he "would rather drive a slow car fast than drive a fast car slow."

Ask yourself honestly, when do you think you are going to be at WOT (wide open throttle) all the time to get the benefits of that.

If you are solely looking for straightline speed and don't care about the track performance my advice would be to just do a swap. I forget the company name but they offer a LS7 swap package for about 9.5K.....An LS7 in a car that weighs 28xx lbs=Power to weight ratio insanity. Might want to look at that. Just my .02

wow i didnt expect this to blow up like so, but thank you all for the input. It was alot more than expected. One major thing for me that i cant get over, is i kindof like that tank, heavy, massive metal of death type of car haha. I like the camaro because of what it stands for. I want alot of power not because i want to beat other cars, i want alot of power because i would just love lots of power!! i grew up on old chevy muscle. I know they are heavy, horrible interior, unreliable cars. Just a v8 fire breathing monster from hell sounds fun to me. Corvette would be my first option, but i need a backseat. The frs is a unbelievable car (and i have had my way with a turbo one). and when it came down to i could not split with the frs, i just love the car to much. I think another 30000 miles i will reconsider, and hopefully by then a camaro can be my second car. thank you all again!!

Do it be the tenth guy on your street to have one lol. I hate the new camaros a s mustangs nothing original in their styling at all. Plus the blind spots a s driving view in the car is garbage on the camaros. But hey each to their own.

Sounds like you would appreciate one of these monsters, that are about come out in Australia http://www.hsv.com.au/Gen-F/see/GTS/

6.2 litre, supercharged LSA engine
430kW of power, 740Nm of torque

Even comes with full factory warranty ^.^

Sounds like you're overly fixated on power. Power tells you nothing, performance is all about power/WEIGHT.
Of course a V8 Camaro is much much quicker than an FR-S/BRZ. But to me it's kind of silly that a ~430hp SS can only do ~110 in the 1/4, and the 580hp ZL1 less 120mph. So much power wasted on so much MASS. I am kinda jaded, though :P

For that kind of car, I'd much much MUCH sooner get a 400hp LS2 GTO and save $15-$20k, have a lower-slung and (to me) much sportier-looking car with an (to everybody) INFINITELY better-looking interior. A few mods to the LS2 (LS3 or L92 heads, mild cam) and you're easily well over 500hp.

Question here does anyone know why the twins has a back seat..?? :iono:


I know the answer to the above question just want to see who else knows the answer.;)


OP having a big penis and not being able to use it where's the enjoyment in that..?? :lol:

Thats easy. So my daughter can sit in the back in her car seat and say "vroom vroom" with the windows down. I'm sure Toyota and Subaru had her in mind when they made the car. :thumbsup::lol:

Probably will mess up the Balance if there are no back seats :laughabove:

also cheaper on insurance

OP, glad you kept the twin, seems like you really enjoy it from your later post.

as for the guys posting about getting an nsx....don't hold your breath for it to come out. Honda said they're not releasing it til they can get the power/weight ratio similar to the original nsx...good luck doing that with a hybrid, those batteries are heavy!!!! also awd adds more mass vs the og rwd. So yeah while it sounds good on paper, its not a reality with todays battery tech...yet