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Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1017049)
I prefer 250 or less, I see 235 on the track with a 19 row mocal cooler in Florida....

I was told the car starts to pull load at 230 not entirely sure how accurate that info is but it came from a reliable source that has never given me bad information before.

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OrbitalEllipses 06-21-2013 05:30 PM

:thumbsup: Dave!

Dave-ROR 06-21-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by iketeru (Post 1016093)
I'm intrigued by this discussion... being a total noob, I didn't know these components were available for way cheaper than the kit price. would be nice if someone could put together a DIY, with mounting options on our car.

for example, found one for 350z's here:
http://my350z.com/forum/engine-drive...n-a-na-hr.html

This isn't really a DIY.. but here's my setup with pics. Anyone should be able to figure theirs out from this, the line cutting, routing, fittings, etc took the longest and caused the most bloodshed :)

Post 1: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=113

Post 2:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=126

Dave-ROR 06-21-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jasper (Post 1017062)
I was told the car starts to pull load at 230 not entirely sure how accurate that info is but it came from a reliable source that has never given me bad information before.

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I don't doubt that, I just meant from an oil health/protection point of view. I've heard similar on it pulling power, on the track I haven't noticed any difference between 230 and 235 :) I'd have to look at datalogs to see if top speeds were lower without the cooler, but sadly there were other changes also so that's probably not a good real world test of anything.

Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1017087)
I don't doubt that, I just meant from an oil health/protection point of view. I've heard similar on it pulling power, on the track I haven't noticed any difference between 230 and 235 :) I'd have to look at datalogs to see if top speeds were lower without the cooler, but sadly there were other changes also so that's probably not a good real world test of anything.

Oh yeah I totally agree that for oil health on a 0 weight oil 250 is far to high. I was just letting you know because you said your temps were going past 230 so just encase you were noticing it losing a little bit once it gets hot that is probably the culprate.

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Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1017075)
This isn't really a DIY.. but here's my setup with pics. Anyone should be able to figure theirs out from this, the line cutting, routing, fittings, etc took the longest and caused the most bloodshed :)

Post 1: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=113

Post 2:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=126

I like the mounting style I was just going to use the $7 zip connectors and mount it to the ac condensor. Also if anyone has questions about the lines or the fittings they are looking at send me the part number and the question and I will do my best to help you out.

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iketeru 06-21-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1017075)
This isn't really a DIY.. but here's my setup with pics. Anyone should be able to figure theirs out from this, the line cutting, routing, fittings, etc took the longest and caused the most bloodshed :)

Post 1: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=113

Post 2:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=126

awesome, thanks!

Captain Snooze 06-21-2013 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jasper (Post 1017112)
Oh yeah I totally agree that for oil health on a 0 weight oil 250 is far to high.

I am not sure but I don't think your statement is correct. I am suggesting it is not 0 weight at 250F.

Dezoris 06-21-2013 06:24 PM

Well the question of pressures is also critical, and more so for track use which I have not started to monitor yet.

I think this is the first thread of its type to actually discuss anything relevant on this topic with data.

There is definitely the divide as usual, what is good for the track is not so good for the street and vice versa. The question is where is that middle ground. If you are in a hot climate and track all the time 0w20 is not your oil and you should absolutely monitor oil pressures.

Dave do you have data on where your pressures are at and what oil you are running.

Example: (Oil temps, Ambient Temps, Coolant Temps, Intake Temps)
WOT PSI, HIGH AND LOW RPM
IDLE PSI
CRUISING PSI

Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 1017162)
I am not sure but I don't think your statement is correct. I am suggesting it is not 0 weight at 250F.

I'm not a huge person on quality oil but I was under the impression 0w-20 was a 0 weight oil. On air craft if it's a 10 weight it is 10w.

By saying I'm not huge on quality engine oil doesn't mean I'm against using it just that I'm not very good on all the detergents and weight classes for it. Normally use what the dealer recomends.
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Captain Snooze 06-21-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jasper (Post 1017170)
I'm not a huge person on quality oil but I was under the impression 0w-20 was a 0 weight oil.

There are 2 numbers there: 0 and 20. This means it's a multiweight oil. The "0" refers to the viscosity at the testing temperature for that "W" grade and the "20" refers to the viscosity at 100C. So it would be better to say "Oh yeah I totally agree that for oil health on a 20 weight oil 250 is far too high."


http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/m...ity/index.html
http://www.kewengineering.co.uk/Auto..._explained.htm

Dave-ROR 06-21-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1017165)
Well the question of pressures is also critical, and more so for track use which I have not started to monitor yet.

I think this is the first thread of its type to actually discuss anything relevant on this topic with data.

There is definitely the divide as usual, what is good for the track is not so good for the street and vice versa. The question is where is that middle ground. If you are in a hot climate and track all the time 0w20 is not your oil and you should absolutely monitor oil pressures.

Dave do you have data on where your pressures are at and what oil you are running.

Example: (Oil temps, Ambient Temps, Coolant Temps, Intake Temps)
WOT PSI, HIGH AND LOW RPM
IDLE PSI
CRUISING PSI

I gathered data with 0w20, after switching to 5w30 pressures were great but I don't recall documenting them. I posted a thread on here somewhere :)

Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 1017287)
There are 2 numbers there: 0 and 20. This means it's a multiweight oil. The "0" refers to the viscosity at the testing temperature for that "W" grade and the "20" refers to the viscosity at 100C. So it would be better to say "Oh yeah I totally agree that for oil health on a 20 weight oil 250 is far too high."


http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/m...ity/index.html
http://www.kewengineering.co.uk/Auto..._explained.htm

Ok that makes sense now in hydraulic fluids we only have one number so I never paid attention to the second number. I am very much an old school V8 no ecu type of guy and the only oil I have ever bought until now has been 10w-30 I am trying to find time to read up on engine oil but it's been pretty crazy with time lately. Thanks for the links!

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Dezoris 06-21-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasper (Post 1017685)
Ok that makes sense now in hydraulic fluids we only have one number so I never paid attention to the second number. I am very much an old school V8 no ecu type of guy and the only oil I have ever bought until now has been 10w-30 I am trying to find time to read up on engine oil but it's been pretty crazy with time lately. Thanks for the links!

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The more you read about modern ecus and setups the more annoying it becomes when you realize how much of it revolves around emissions.

Accurate Race Shop 06-21-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1017722)
The more you read about modern ecus and setups the more annoying it becomes when you realize how much of it revolves around emissions.

Yes emmisions are a big enemy of the V8 people I'm working on a 351 Windsor that will gain 125hp once I remove the emmsion control stuff. But now that's it's not as simple as ripping some stuff off and tossing it in the dumpster I have to start hitting the books.

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