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Enemies 02-12-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 132490)
^Go to Special Events and enter a Top Gear Test Track event (there's Easy, Medium, Hard - Medium actually being the hardest of the 3). Win gold in any one of those 3 and you'll be rewarded with access to the track.

This.

nrclptcnsmniak 02-12-2012 06:11 PM

ok but what about laguna seca? are we doing these on arcade or practice?

nrclptcnsmniak 02-12-2012 06:22 PM

also ive circled this track like 6 times and its not clocking in a lap time... wth is going on? gah!

switchlanez 02-12-2012 06:26 PM

^If you ever see the lap timer numbers turn red (which happens when you go off track) while you are driving, that means your lap time is invalidated. That's probably what is happening.

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Originally Posted by nrclptcnsmniak (Post 132568)
ok but what about laguna seca? are we doing these on arcade or practice?

It might be an unlockable track but I forget how to earn it. Google search? I've been doing all these in practice mode.

ft86Fan 02-12-2012 06:28 PM

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Top Gear Test Track
1:22.891 - ft86Fan - G27 - Paddles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deslock (Post 132547)
Wow your screenshot shows consistently fast times! How about posting a ghost replay so we can learn from you?

Deslock, don't think I'm good enough for you guys to learn from but I'll try to post the replay. First time doing this so not sure if I'm doing it right. Let me know if this is working.

Attachment 4668

Attachment 4669

nrclptcnsmniak 02-12-2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 132576)
^If you ever see your lap timer numbers turn red (which happens when you go off track), that means your lap time is invalidated. That's probably what is happening.



And about Laguna Seca, it may be an unlockable track but I forget how to earn it. Google search? I've been doing all these in practice mode.

i honestly dont know where im going on this track... how do i get laguna seca?

ft86Fan 02-12-2012 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nrclptcnsmniak (Post 132578)
i honestly dont know where im going on this track... how do i get laguna seca?

I don't believe you need to unlock Laguna Seca. Go to Practice-->World Circuits and you should see it.

Laika 02-12-2012 06:57 PM

Damn I was really trying to beat my old time but looks like I'm gonna have to put it up. I'm failing at resizing on imgur (even cleared my cache like it says) so the first link is my setup and second is the time slip.


Laguna Seca

1:46.298 - Laika - G27* - 6MT

*I have a 350mm steering wheel and the Nixim brake/clutch mod if it matters.

http://i.imgur.com/6B5M0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tXs99.jpg


(the 1:45.xxx time was a modded car)

dsgerbc 02-12-2012 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ft86Fan (Post 132577)
Let me know if this is working.

Judging by the size, it's a replay of the whole session. Next time save only best lap replay.

Deslock 02-12-2012 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nrclptcnsmniak (Post 132573)
also ive circled this track like 6 times and its not clocking in a lap time... wth is going on? gah!

switchlanez already replied, but GT5's Top Gear track can be unforgiving when it comes to marking your lap as invalid. Be careful not to cut corners too tight.

You could try running with the driving line a couple times just to learn the track layout, and then turn it off before doing your competition runs. Don't leave it on too long as it'll become a crutch for braking points, which you'll need to relearn once you turn it off.


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Originally Posted by ft86Fan (Post 132577)
Top Gear Test Track
1:22.891 - ft86Fan - G27 - Paddles



Deslock, don't think I'm good enough for you guys to learn from but I'll try to post the replay. First time doing this so not sure if I'm doing it right. Let me know if this is working.

Thanks, I'll trying loading it on the PS3 next time I play (I've been in bed sick... too fatigued to even play GT5).

BTW, you're being modest. Even if I put together a single lap of my best corners, it'd be slower than 1:22.891.

dsgerbc 02-12-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ft86Fan (Post 132577)
Let me know if this is working.

It's working. I had to go and beat that time now ;)

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Originally Posted by Laika (Post 132588)
Damn I was really trying to beat my old time but looks like I'm gonna have to put it up.

Sadly, using paddles is faster.

Latest times. Probably gonna do some more laps @LS during the week, feeling like there's half a second there at least.

Top Gear
1:22.819 - dsgerbc - CSRE - Paddles

Laguna Seca
1:42.842 - dsgerbc - CSRE - Paddles

switchlanez 02-13-2012 02:03 PM

Thanks for sharing your Top Gear replay, ft86Fan. Hard to mimic on a DualShock but it inspired me to drive smoother. My Laguna Seca time improved after watching that! + I can still improve on some corners.

http://i41.tinypic.com/14c9vk9.jpg

Laguna Seca Raceway
1:44.940 - switchlanez - DS --- Buttons

I'm not home right now but I can upload replay upon request.


Question: Do any of you guys with steering wheels have a proper seating/mount setup and what do you think of it?

Gadflyii 02-13-2012 03:09 PM

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What a cool idea!

I took a stab at a few laps on each track, I know I can cut a good second off the Top Gear track, and there is at least half a second on Laguna Seca. My Wheel is the original old school Driving force, (blue and black) that came out before GT3 was released in 2001... Best $50 I ever spent :P


Laguna Seca
1:43.082 - gadfly_ - Logitech Driving force - AT

Top Gear Test Track
1:23.675 - gadfly_ - Logitech Driving Force - AT


Here are the replays:

dsgerbc 02-13-2012 06:07 PM

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Did some more laps around laguna.
Laguna Seca
1:42.323 - dsgerbc - CSRE - Paddles

There's probably more time, since I missed the apex big time for the key turn before the uphill.

Both replays of my laps are attached.

ft86Fan 02-13-2012 06:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 132961)
Thanks for sharing your Top Gear replay, ft86Fan. Hard to mimic on a DualShock but it inspired me to drive smoother.

Question: Do any of you guys with steering wheels have a proper seating/mount setup and what do you think of it?

@switchlanez, definitely get a wheel and seat. Its worth it. You can get a Logitech G27 for $217 with free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NT9TK4/

Here is my setup:
Attachment 4701

switchlanez 02-13-2012 07:22 PM

^Thanks, I'm seriously considering it. What kind of seating/mount setup do you have? Any quirks about it/any recommendations/things to avoid when I shop?

I found this: http://www.amazon.com/Playseat-Limit...uct/B004N0HHV8

But I won't get it if there are options that offer all the same functions for less like this: http://www.amazon.com/Playseat-Evolu...ef=pd_sim_sg_4

Is this http://www.amazon.com/Playseat-Gears...d_rhf_dp_shvl1 worth getting and are there other accessories I should consider?

dsgerbc 02-13-2012 07:29 PM

The pic looks to be playseat Evo. I had it, hated it. Metal bar right in the middle was annoying the hell out of me.

For the money those linked seats will set you back I'd rather get rSeat GTR V2 or Obutto Ozone

switchlanez 02-13-2012 07:37 PM

^Thanks for the tip. I think I would get the rSeat GTR V2 since I don't think I can fit my 40" TV on the Obutto making some parts useless and I'd want to use everything I'm paying for. Do you have personal experience on either of those 2?

Looks like both have a gearshift mount. Wish I could test how each feel with a G27. Anyone know?

MiguelAE86 02-13-2012 07:37 PM

If any of these times are right, look at what this car is comparing to!

1:21.9 Ford GT 1:22.2 Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet 1:22.3 Audi R8 V10 Spyder 1:22.3 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale 1:22.3 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996 mk.II) 1:22.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 1:22.5 Noble M15 1:22.8 Lexus LFA (wet)[13] 1:22.9 Ferrari F430 F1 1:22.9 Porsche 911 Sport Classic 1:23.0 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series 1:23.1 KTM X-Bow (Not Shown on TV)[14] 1:23.1 Porsche 997 GT3 1:23.2 Ferrari F430 Spider F1 1:23.3 Jaguar XKR-S 1:23.7 Lamborghini Murciélago (retested) 1:23.8 Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3 (partly damp) 1:23.9 Aston Martin DBS 1:23.9 Koenigsegg CC8S

Gadflyii 02-13-2012 07:55 PM

Hmm... I hope so... but I doubt the times will translate into the real world...

The 370z did a time of 1:27.5, STi of 1:28.2, Focus RS 1:29.3

So I would make a real world guess of 1:29.... but who knows...

ft86Fan 02-13-2012 08:01 PM

Yes, I have the old Playseat Evo and yes the bar in the middle was in the way originally. They made the backing plate for the pedals with another set of offset mounting holes but it shifts the whole thing to the left even more while what is needed is shifting the whole thing to the right. I had to drill another set of holes so that I can shift the whole pedal assembly to the right. Now that it is done, the bar in the middle doesn't get in the way at all. The newer Playseat don't have that bar in the middle. It comes out from the seat instead. I also got the shifter holder accessory since I don't know how I can mount it other wise.

There are so many different seats in the market nowadays at different price point. The important thing is to get one. The seat and steering wheel/pedals make a huge difference.

MF_DEUCE 02-13-2012 08:27 PM

This thread is an improvement from the others. good job OP!
I'll try and set aside some time to get some laps in.

Deslock 02-13-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86 (Post 133234)
If any of these times are right, look at what this car is comparing to!

You may have missed this comment from the previous page:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deslock (Post 132547)
I expect this car to run a 1:31-1:32 when Top Gear tests it. Remember they do a standing start (while unfortunately GT5's practice mode does not) and the real car's tires will undoubtedly be less grippy than GT5's Sport Hard.


Deslock 02-13-2012 09:16 PM

BTW thanks for posting replays!

Good to see more activity... I know folks are busy, but there were 27 votes for these two tracks and so far we have only 7 drivers!

dsgerbc 02-13-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 133233)
^Thanks for the tip. I think I would get the rSeat GTR V2 since I don't think I can fit my 40" TV on the Obutto making some parts useless and I'd want to use everything I'm paying for. Do you have personal experience on either of those 2?

I have the Obutto. I'm gonna get triple monitors when I convert to PC sim racing, so gotta be prepared ;)

For g27 I'd get the rSeat, I think it's pre-drilled for it.

T13R 02-13-2012 11:14 PM

Hey guys, can someone let me know if skid recovery is set to ON or OFF? It doesn't really mention it in the OP and that would make a difference in lap times, thanks.

switchlanez 02-13-2012 11:23 PM

^I set it to off. I think the only kind of aid allowed is ABS = 1 (optional) or you may set that to 0.

dsgerbc 02-13-2012 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T13R (Post 133379)
Hey guys, can someone let me know if skid recovery is set to ON or OFF? It doesn't really mention it in the OP and that would make a difference in lap times, thanks.


Quote:

No driving line or any other aids
Honestly, I see no harm in traction control, it only slows you down, and grip reduction setting is unverifiable, so about zero sense of having it on the list. Driving line also unverifiable, and only distracts you. But it might help some people who are just starting on the course.

Laika 02-14-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 133392)
Honestly, I see no harm in traction control, it only slows you down, and grip reduction setting is unverifiable, so about zero sense of having it on the list. Driving line also unverifiable, and only distracts you. But it might help some people who are just starting on the course.

With traction control I think the fact that most of us don't use it (at least not in a car with this type of power, as you said, slows you down more often than not) but it still makes it more consistent for the sake of comparing lap times.

I think I'm definitely faster with the racing line on. I don't think I have enough track experience (none) to be able to truly judge what line I should be taking.

switchlanez 02-14-2012 01:16 PM

^This competition was the first time I turned off racing lines. I had to practice with the lines on til I could roughly anticipate every corner with some confidence. Then I turned the lines off and experimented trying to find better brake points that allowed me to carry more speed through corners. This forced every corner to be committed to memory without the lines. Eventually you know exactly to do at every corner; it just becomes a matter of executing.

Zaku 02-14-2012 01:21 PM

Muahahaha :D! I'm improving everyday

1:44.777-Zaku-DS-AT

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...214_131823.jpg

T13R 02-14-2012 10:00 PM

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Laguna Seca
1'43.984 - T13R - SixAxis - MT - All assists off, ABS 1, grip reduction real.

I can see myself dropping to a low 1'43 if I put all my sectors together. 1'42.3 is fast! Maybe if I get a chance to hook up the DF:GT I could dip into the 1'42s, otherwise 1'43 should be my limit.

dsgerbc 02-14-2012 10:37 PM

^Try harder ;). I'm just one division up from you on GTP registry and I'm not at the point where I don't see a reasonable chance of improving my time, so you should be able to match it ;)

switchlanez 02-15-2012 12:23 AM

gahhh Zaku has ousted me! And a new dualshock king has ousted us on Laguna Seca!!

switchlanez 02-15-2012 05:02 AM

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Hey T13R, did you save the replay with you using the DS3?

Laguna Seca Raceway
1:44.326 - switchlanez - DS3 - MT

Deslock 02-15-2012 08:14 PM

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ft86Fan after watching your replay video a few times, I realized you were beating me by a whopping 0.75 seconds just on the last two corners!

I finally got a chance to drive a bit today and improved, though you're still about 0.19 seconds faster than me on the last two corners (that is to say, I have about a 0.2 lead going into them, which on this run evaporated to a 0.012 lead).

Top Gear
1:22.879 - Deslock - G27 - Paddles

Edit: I just remembered that the video I was watching was posted by ft86Fan not dsgerbc, so my original comment didn't make sense (I hadn't noticed that dsgerbc had also posted a ghost replay until this morning).

T13R 02-15-2012 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 134176)
^Try harder ;). I'm just one division up from you on GTP registry and I'm not at the point where I don't see a reasonable chance of improving my time, so you should be able to match it ;)

Cool, a fellow GTPer :) When you say a division above me, you mean a subdivision or entire division? If you're in Division 1, then you are close to what I call alien territory!

Quote:

Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 134333)
Hey T13R, did you save the replay with you using the DS3?

Laguna Seca Raceway
1:44.326 - switchlanez - DS3 - MT

I saved my previous lap, but I managed to improve some tonight so saved that lap and attached it here.

Laguna Seca
1'43.657 - T13R - SixAxis - MT

More than a few times I've been a little over .3 seconds faster to T2 only to have my ghost catch up to me it at the left hander before the cork screw, and then pass me at the cork screw. Right now a 1'43.1 is likely the best I can manage, Laguna Seca was never one of my favorite tracks but I'm starting to enjoy it more and more with this combo.

dsgerbc 02-16-2012 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by T13R (Post 135068)
Cool, a fellow GTPer :) When you say a division above me, you mean a subdivision or entire division?

sub-division.

switchlanez 02-16-2012 03:24 AM

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^^Thanks T13R.

Top Gear Test Track
1:24.363 - switchlanez - 6AXS - MT

Deslock 02-16-2012 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 135127)
Top Gear Test Track
1:24.363 - switchlanez - 6AXS - MT

Times updated but just to confirm, you're now using a Six Axis? If so congrats!

I forgot to reply to your earlier question about what sort of setup we have. This response might be too late, but FWIW I use a Fanatec RennSport Wheel Stand V2 and a common padded folding chair.

A full-blown racing seat would be fun, and my kids would love it, but somehow I don't think my wife would be keen on it in the middle of the living room :paddle: :D


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