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how do you preorder the brz?
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Another shinning review. This really is the car I have been waiting for for over a decade. Now which one is going to be the better value?
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Top Gear is back on Sunday. I wonder if they will drive the BRZ/86 this series or if we will have to wait until next year.
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1st modification: Not Prius tires.
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^My 1st mod: Spares on all 4 corners. :thumbup:
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I have yet to read a bad review. Man I cant wait till I get my car.
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IMO it's good to have a relatively grippy tire for the street for safety. |
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Are they offering something stickier now? If so, then I recant. The AMG vid was pretty neat, but I still personally prefer grip over sliding around. And again, we're talking about on the road here... |
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^Same tire manufacturer and dimensions as the Prius optional tires, yes, but different tire model and tread compound. Don't quote me on that; this is what I vaguely recall reading somewhere on this forum. Calling them "Prius tires" is a misconception.
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The stockers are going to be Michelin Pilot Premacy's.
Almost all Toyota's sport trims use this tire. (Sienna SE, Prius performance/sport package, Corolla XRS, etc) the only reason they say its 'prius tires' is for shock value, just so you can go "WTF this is with PRIUS tires?? I can't imagine how it will stick with real tires...." |
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I would swap the Prius tires for some Bridgestone Potenza RE-11s…
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Everybody will swap the tires especially when they get new rims.
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I'm probably going to tear up the stock tires on the autocross and use that as an excuse to get new tires later. :)
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Yep. That is--after there is enough saved money for spankin' new Wheels. |
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And not to forget they bashed the Jaguar XK-R for being too much of a 'track' car instead of it being more of a Super GT. Yes children, Jeremy bashed a British car. It does happen. |
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For anyone who still thinks the stock tires do not suite this car, I think the ideas brought up in that video switchlanez posted show fairly well why the FR-S/BRZ has the stock tires it has. With all the engineering that went into this car, does anyone really think they put no thought, if not just as much into the stock tire selection???? The stock tires are skinny and do look skinny compared to other sports cars, but not without reason. Look at it this way. The tires are balancing two main things. Performance numbers being a far behind number (3.) 1. Safety (its a globally marketed car, which is meant to double as a daily commuter) 2. Fun (and driving pleasure, the whole point of this car) (1.)The tires should have grip to be SAFE on public roads even with spirited driving and safe enough on the track. So drivers with little experience aren't going to slide around too much and too easily causing accidents. MORE GRIP = GOOD (2.)The tires should have little enough amount of grip to have FUN with the car and slide it around. Face it, in dryish conditions, the car will not have enough stock power to throw the back-end out and slide around on demand ONCE you throw tires on with significantly more grip. And in my opinion that can only lower fun and enjoyment. LESS GRIP = GOOD MORE + LESS = AVERAGE (or something like that). A purpose built sports car with just average grip, skinny tires???? Mind = Blown. I know right. The car was built for affordable fun, not affordable performance and numbers. The stock tires help achieve this. Now for performance. Many seem to be under the illusion that this car is going to get noticeably better laptimes/performance with just more tire grip. IT'S NOT, until you get significantly more power out of the engine (ie a lot more than just bolt ons, so pretty much FI.) In fact once the amount of grip and tire width become excessive, not only is the fun factor going to be ruined, but overall performance will noticeable decrease. I think its safe to say now, that it is well known fact that if you buy this car expecting impressive laptimes/0-60/quarter-mile and all that stuff, without A LOT of modification, then you just bought the wrong car. I think Toyota/Subaru did a good job in picking a tire with enough grip to drive to work safely and have a blast on the weekend. For the reasons above ill probably be looking for less expensive, comparable tires to the stock ones. (since they will definitely need to be replaced fairly often compared to most average commuters) Okay done ranting, and stating nothing new, with my first try-hard post. ON-TOPIC, glad they finally got to drive the 86, and put the nail into the coffin of the "BRZ better than 86" crap started by the Top Gear magazine article. |
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the tyres i imagine were also picked to increase the MPG figure quoted in the stats - us europeans ill get taxed less because of this plus- these tyres are going to be cheap to replace in comparison to a 225/255 set up etc I hope they do drive this car on the show though - looking forward to watching it tomorrow regardless :P |
Great post steve, makes a lot of sense. I guess it will be a matter of personal preference in a way. People that want a more planted, harder handling car can always increase the tire width slightly to 225 or 235. I still haven't decided if I'm gonna want to get bigger tires or not. Your post is making me reconsider. Guess I'll have to judge it once I drive it.
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Yeah great post Steve. Just want to rearrange your wording a bit: The average of MORE + LESS = OPTIMAL. We got what you were trying to say though. lol :D
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:) mm can't wait for a test drive
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Has Clarkson actually driven the GT86?
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I don't think people will go back to stock tires when they wear out. Honestly who would put the prius tires back on to have "fun"? Owners will put extreme performance tires if the weather permits. I would. Wouldn't you?
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I dunno, to me a middle ground like a LRR summer tire, but not ultra-high performance or whatever sounds nice. Especially in California, where summer tires are suitable year round. Anywhere that snows, I'd want special winter tires, not all-season. The all-season tire doesn't make sense philosophically to me. More grip is safer when you can't afford to slide, aka on the road.
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Since I put snow tires on stock wheels, whatever aftermarket wheels I get will have a summer tire. I guess I am ruining the purpose of the car and should be chastised :(
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I'll be trying out the stock tires and see how they feel. If they're not up to the job then they'll be getting a set of performance summer tires. I always use snow tires in the winter.
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Just a tid bit regarding the tyre width and size.
- Some countries require cars to pass some driving vibration requirements, tyre is critical in this requirement. - The stock wheel size is chosen the way it is, because of 2 purposes (1) Performance and (2) Cost. Sometimes Cost and Performance are actually evenly looked at... - With that said, 17 x 7.5 is not big at all. For people looking for new bigger wheels.... I dont see any issues with 18 x 8, or even 18 x 8.5. 9+ wide tyres may be overkill and for this type of car, no performance benefits can be attained from having such wide tyres... (the car is not a torque monster etc). With that said... 18 x 7.5 (225s) Fronts, 18 x 8.5 (245s) is my ideal selections :-) |
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A mustang GT with 300+ hp runs 235 width... |
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As far as looks, I am in complete agreement that this cars body work demands a staggered setup (which I think is the main reason people are looking as getting a staggered setup). If aren't too worried about taking this car around corners at high speeds on the track, you can probably stop reading and order your wheels/tires. As far as handling, I personally would not even consider putting a set of staggered tires on this car until, 1. I drive this car and get a feel for the car balance (which as far as reviews go so far is that it is perfectly neutral) because... 2. Not enough, if any at all, thorough testing has been done with staggered tire setups to see exactly how this is going to affect the cars balance. It is pretty much guaranteed that the car is going to either tend to understeer, or oversteer more once a staggered setup is put on this car. I think logically the car will probably tend to understeer since with the added grip the back end will stay more planted, although I read that the staggered setup on an s2k produces more oversteer (and that a non-staggered setup on extremely common on japanese tuned s2k's.) I'm pretty confident in assuming that the 86/BRZ, a sports car built solely for handling and driving feel, is sold with a non-staggered tire setup because it is optimal. |
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