vary's from state to state man! NJ was like that, as I described it

WA totally different. AZ even more f-d up.

I'll give you illegal advice.

best way is to call a traffic ticket attorney and have them fight it for you. yelp is useful for finding some.

If I were you, I would probably flee the country.

how old r u? 16? legal advice for what?! just go to court say sorry, or simply pay the freaking ticket. you'll probably not even lose points for this dumb infraction.
dumbest thread ever :thumbdown:

Did the same thing when is had my dc2.. Paid the ticket went to traffic school so I won't get on my record then weeks later got a letter saying I didn't pay for the traffic school and the check didn't go.. Went on record but now its gone due to I have my own insurance.. Now I stop for 2 seconds.. Learned my lesson.. Not worth the ticket.. Them pesky Porks be hiding in every bush

$42 fine....you have 5 more violations before suspension...next time. just stop. that little bit of time to stop could prevent an accident.

You want legal advice, you got it! :slap: There, lol

Do not admit to anything, fight the ticket. Hopefully prevail.

A few other really, totally true bits of legal advice:

-The constitutional objection cited above only works if you used the super-secret, legal eagle words of power when the officer pulled you over: "I demand to know why you are hindering my means of transportation in interstate commerce, in contravention of the Bill of Rights, Magna Carta, Code of Hammurabi and Robert's Rules of Order."

-If the flag in the courtroom has a yellow fringe, then it is an admiralty court. Assuming you were not pulled over in US Territorial Waters, the judge must dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction.

-Go to the notary and declare your car the sovereign state of Eightysixia, of which you are the head diplomat. Claim sovereign immunity.

-File a Writ of Habeus Derpus. I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it works.

Let us know how it goes. The judge may rule against you, but that just means he is part of the conspiracy.

I sense your sarcasm and lack of knowledge. It is OK, however, as long as you know how to read and do proper research you might be able to save yourself. And maybe once you get out of high school your mind may open up to new and better opportunities!

I have a long time friend, he is an engineer living in California, who has challenged TWO speeding tickets and due to its unconstitutionality his tickets were waived. No need to pay and nothing was on his record. It really comes down to whether or not you principally believe it is worth spending time on defending yourself.

Good luck!

Sarcasm? If you said that this happened to your friend once, I might have been skeptical. But twice? That is indisputable.

Do you realize how big this is? Every year millions, perhaps billions, of dollars in speeding tickets are issued. We need to put together class action suits against every single state. Anyone who has been issued one of these unconstitutional speeding tickets will could be a member of the class!

Here's what we'll do: You explain why speeding tickets are unconstitutional. I'm guessing its the Interstate Commerce Clause or the Privileges and Immunities Clause, but you're the expert. We'll probably also need to throw in a few citations.

I'm going to go out and drive really, really fast on the highway until I get pulled over. That way I can be the lead plaintiff in our suit against Pennsylvania.

So, I'll go speeding, and you get Shepardizing. Via Con Dios!

As I said previously, good luck!

Who needs luck? I'm pretty sure I can get a speeding ticket.

Tell you what, just point me towards the correct part of the Constitution and give me a few cites. You don't even have to Bluebook them. I'll run with this thing.

When I get my millions, I'll give you a cut.

We are so lucky that no law professors or big law firms have figured this out! What are the chances? I mean, those guys are pretty smart, and they deal with this kind of stuff all day, every day. I can't believe no one has picked up on this yet!

Best you go to a lawyer if you're looking for legal advice. I think most law firms still offer free consultation (first visit).

ib, you definitely need some luck, ha. If only you personally knew constitutional lawyers...or better yet read a little. Sad. Continue to remain ignorant though. Good luck!

Forza--I know you are trying to not rise to the bait, but at the same time, you make a pretty compelling claim there that would have some pretty far-reaching consequences if it would be proven and explained.

Calling someone "ignorant" without providing a single sentence of explanation, other than your "friend" has done it twice, is a weak attempt at justification at best.
@ib raised a legitimate question--Please, cite your source.

I did this twice and got off with a warning on both occasions. Apologize and admit that you were wrong. That's about it

Check the contest/not guilty box, show up to court, most of these (especially first offenses) end up nollied out. If it were a speeding ticket you'd probably end up with a reduced fine for first time visit to court. Court isn't like on TV...you wait in a line and sit with a magistrate who will ask you some questions (did you take off work today, always answer YES), why do you think we should contest it (don't mention the data issue, just say you stopped but didn't fully apply the brake b/c you downshifted, so the brake lights probably weren't visible, then you made a cautioned turn). Wear slacks/khakis and a shirt with a collar to court.

Just to go slightly off-topic, it amazes me how completely stupid people can be about dressing in court. I've heard stories about how someone showed up to court in ripped-up jeans and a hoodie, and had a speeding ticket turned into a week long jail sentence because he didn't show any respect to the court and looked like a hoodlum. :slap:

pay ticket. the end.

wow seriously? the scion is under the toyota corporation. jesus christ /smmfh

Haha for sure, man. I did and it is the u.s. constitution :D

Great, you just did the equivalent of flashing a textbook at us. Please do some work and cite the specific section and paragraph. Sentence, if you are feeling particularly motivated. Though part of me doubts you will bother.

I'm waiting...:popcorn:

I have a way better idea. Do some work for yourself. If you are so interested, go and figure it out on your own :thumbsup: I have done so and I am thoroughly convinced, why? because I did proper research, consulted with the right people and came to my own conclusion of the actual truth. Writing it out will not do justice, that is why I consulted with attorneys face to face. I simply made a side note and planted a seed.

I must have made an impression on you, however, so I appreciate the flattery. If you are feeling particularly motivated to enlighten yourself you should DEFINITELY do so, on your own. Though part of me doubt you will bother...

I am happy I was able to influence you and spark such an interest!

But I am not waiting because I am already ahead... :burnrubber:

peace & love.

he just made an "honest mistake" transferring the info to the ticket.
he still did see the infraction unfortunately,and he's prepared to testify to that fact. pay the ticket! you did the deed!

This is the most ridiculous thread ever. It's a minor violation, pay the goddamn ticket. Citing the Constitution to fight a traffic citation is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

I just found this website: https://www.ticketsbite.com. The idea is so intriguing that I might just sign up for this. If I had known earlier, I wouldn't have had mounted my front plates. :D

^^ won't work with vehicle code violations.

Plus I'm not paying a premium on top of my insurance premium when all I have to do is be a better driver.

Regarding the speeding is unconstitutional thing:

I'm guessing this has to do with the whole not all speed limit signs are legal thing I heard a few years ago.

To the OP:

Just pay the ticket.

I don't think the info on the ticket regarding the make/model is going to affect anything.. It's close enough...
You failed to stop, and got caught... It happens.. Pay the fine and move on...
If someone slammed into you for not stopping at a stop sign... You would think differently about things... I hate getting tickets.. I have had my fair share.. Each one was well deserved...
Good luck..

The make/model won't matter if they have the vin. I got a parking ticket on my bike and he had no idea what it was so he wrote down Tokico (that's who makes the brake calipers) for the make and motorcycle for the model. :bonk:

You can't fight a moving violation in this situation since you were actually rolling across the stop sign. The Car's detail won't be enough to dismiss this and yes (like the others said) you'll piss off the judge.

Pay the ticket --

If you were getting a speeding ticket, then you may or maynot have a chance to fight it. In court show up, ask for a reduced fine and state that you may not have enough money to pay -- but you got a new car so that might be out the window.

Good luck friend, and I hope the legal system doesn't bite you in the ass.

On a similar note -- California Speed limits are a "suggestion" and not an absolute limit. So you may be able to fight the ticket when speeding. Look up www.ticketassassin.com

Got a lawyer, ticket gone:) and I cant afford to have my premium go up. In the long run I saved money. However it was a 300$ lawyer fee that could have been avoided. Oh well it was a costly lesson. For those saying I'm some 16 year old, nice try. I'm 18 in college working two jobs to make payments and pay for insurance. I didn't have to get a Frs. Coulda got something cheap but whatevs. No regrets. And no my parents didn't buy my car. I'll die before someone buys my love. I worked hard to get where I am, don't assume I was sponsored by mommy and daddy because of my age

Well that's what you get for doing a California Rolling Stop in Washington.

I'm sure you have a good reason for refusing to share the citations. A more skeptical person might think that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Congrats! Gettin'er done the Asian way! Lol

never refused, because I did cite. read please. thanks.

No. You didn't, aside from pointing a finger at the entire document. But thanks for playing!

And I also don't plan on putting myself in the situation where I will need to consult a lawyer on constitutional law in order to get me out of a speeding ticket which would likely be earned. Is it lazy of me? Maybe. Do I need to do it? No, which is why I am asking you. Given your previous (albeit questionable, given lack of details) experience, you should be easily able to find your specific source that you interpreted to get yourself out of a ticket on Constitutional grounds.

Your callous, superior attitude (dare I say "troll-like?") is the problem here. If I state an opinion or little-known fact, and someone asks me for my sources, I provide them, specifically. In my line of work (engineering/sales) you better DAMN well be ready to back up any claims you make with specific citations. I would never have been able to make it through school if I had just pointed to "this paper" or "that report" as my sources.

What you are claiming sounds like an interpretation of a portion of the Constitution of the USA (assuming that is what you are citing, you weren't even that specific). Please give us the Paragraph, at least the Section that you are referring to. Allow us to do what all great lawmakers have done since the inception of the United States of America, and debate the meaning. This is the last time I will ask.

LOL

You know, I usually appreciate a chill attitude, but you're just doing it to upset people. Consider yourself reported.