Even if you remove the conditions and tires the maneuvers he described were overly aggressive and could have warranted being pulled over, hell losing control of his car as he described constitutes reckless driving.

Without a doubt irresponsible regardless of any other information.

The car is a RWD and despite all the noise to the contrary, has a fair bit of torque delivered to the rear wheels.

If you are not used to driving a (somewhat) powerful RWD car is low traction conditions, you are going to have a few tank slappers like your described. The stock tires are certainly going to make this a regular event.

Was driving around in a fresh snowfall this morning. Had a little fun with the nannies turned full "OFF" and then switched back for the commute. Even with the nannies set to full "ON" this car manages to shake its tail. The "Sport" mode allows some pretty good slip angles before it steps in and unless I wanted to be focused the whole time I am driving, I would not bother.

It would be educational to drive a Mustang in similar snow conditions to see how it behaves.

I think the question was more regarding storing the tires in cold weather. I also don't have access to a heated garage. Its well-insulated, but it can get below the recommended temperature depending on which direction the wind is blowing.

Mine are on the car now (which is in the garage for the winter), but in the future they will be stacked in the corner when I put my winters on. Please clarify.

"Additional flame comments directed at the OP"

Even with winters, I accelerated a bit hard around a corner that I always take hard except this time the temp was in the teens and I was surprised at how easily the back wanted to brake loose. Lesson learned. Drive it like a normal car when it's cold out.

well i deserve the flame, at the same time im trying to learn. im 22, i didn't have an option yesterday cuz my other car wasn't in the garage. I always had vsc sport on like i said bc i find shifting gears to be smoother not to burn rubber. I'm not driving it much, i just didn't have an option yesterday n i had class. I was stuck in the traffic at steeles bc of a 4 car accident on the bridge on 404 steeles, normally takes me 30mins to drive to skool, it took me 1hr yesterday. I got ticked off thats why i pulled that stupid move. though like i said, i don't like driving in daylight typically, so traffic really gets to me... thats why i cut between lanes when im forced to drive in daylight. but at nite i drive at the speed limit, no traffic, no cars, = happy me.

Sorry if I sound too much like a teacher, but we do offer Driver's Education at my school. I like to start each lesson with the fact that the frontal cortex (decision making) of the teenager's/young adult's brain isn't fully developed yet and that emotions and driving don't mix.

The reason you think that VSC sport mode is 'smoother' is that you are slightly slipping tires each time you release the pedal, rather than learning the clutch point on this car (not the easiest, admitted) with all traction nannies on.

Please don't make your car the one we get to scavenge for parts from the junkyard.

With that said, it is easier said than done when trying to remove one's emotional state during driving... Good luck, save the aggression for the autox/track.

Eric G

its all kool, the reason i joined a forum is so i get more knowledge on this car and cars in general.

actually the VSC maybe a mentality thing, but i posted before, i found it extremely annoying how 1st - 2nd always have a minimal jerk. I want that to be gone completely. it seemed to help with it on, prolly its my mind set. guess i'll leave it on from now on.

oh no don't worry, after that... i won't be driving it in the winter unless i get some winter tires... for now i'm stickin to the winter beater.

I know you Canadians are odd and all, but can I get that translated into English please?

lmfao You guys crucified the poor kid for not knowing car basics. but seriously, they call them summer tires for a reason. lol
Driving with them in winter weather is like trying to play ice hockey in dress shoes.
btw a tune through ecutek or unichip will help with the throttle smoothness. also anything lightens rotational mass will help as well.(i.e. lightened pulleys, flywheel,carbon driveshaft)

If you drive winters in Toronto with the stock summer tires you WILL get into trouble, guaranteed. It doessnt matter if there is snow on the ground, the temperature is enough to eliminate traction.

Summer tires on the FR-s in winter is utter foolishness.

I don't understand why you are driving with VSC sport mode when you don't even know how to drive the car

Just take your time and learn the car. The reason for it being jerky from 1st - 2nd is probably your footwork. You are probably either getting off the clutch too fast. It might be hard to admit, but like many other posters have state "The car only reacts to driver inputs." Very rarely is something not driver error.

Driving is an art and takes time to master. Do some autocrosses or driving schools. It's really humbling when you do one. I still remember one of my first instructors. I thought I was driving fast before. Then the instructor asked if he could drive my car and showed me how much faster the car could actually go.

Best of luck and stay off the roads in the winter with the summer tires! :happy0180:

FORCED? IN the Unites States of America we have the Bill of Rights.

when you posted this it was -22C and there's snow everywhere and you're on summer tires and you're wondering why there's no grip?

what do you expect? summer tires are straight up dangerous in the winter, get some proper tires before you kill someone.

Its recommended that tires are stored in climate controlled location. Cold weather conditions on a performance tire can cause and accelerate dry rot and crack the treads. Plenty enough people do store them in sheds and have no issues, but is it worth the risk? Your tires are the only thing that keeps your car planted on the road. Compromising their integrity is taking a big gamble. All season tires (more like 3 season tires) are typically a harder compound, making them fair a little better in the cold, but still not recommended. i try to store my extra tires in closets, corners, under beds, even put the couch on top of a set for the season

Am pretty sure storing tires in the cold (no driving) won't affect anything because compound will slowly adjust to temp without losing its properties when back to normal spring/summer temp.

Any guys working in tire shops on this forum?

Snow or not, these tires don't get much grip at all in the cold. It's caught me off-guard a couple of times.

from tirerack.com:
"Place the tires in a cool, dry location. It is better to store tires in a dry basement or climate-controlled workshop than in a standard garage, storage shed, hot attic or outdoors. While basement and shop surroundings tend to remain cool and dry, conditions found in typical garage, shed, attic and outdoor locations often include a wide range of hot and cold temperatures, as well as seasonal precipitation and humidity. "

i'm canadian and i also had a hard time reading what he wrote...


still... summer tire... in winter.... in canada.... dont need to be a rocket scientist to understand what's wrong...

I have experienced similar issues with the FR-S. The Scion will snake bite anyone that is not cautious on wet roads. Much more dangerous in the snow and ice. The electronics are helpful. It's quite a surprise the first time it happened. Rear end started sliding out after turning onto an entrance ramp. It was a low G turn but the road was wet. Adding 100 pounds of salt to the trunk helped traction in the snow. I am not an engineer but the car was designed with "Drifting" in mind. This may effect the ability of the cars rear end to break out. Love the car. As an Ex Pilot I learned quickly its a car that I needed to be aware of its idiosyncrasies. Caution in less than ideal driving conditions is important until I learn the limitations of the car.

What do you recommend for Winter tires? Low to medium budget.

"Place the tires in a cool, dry location. It is better to store tires in a dry basement or climate-controlled workshop than in a standard garage, storage shed, hot attic or outdoors."

That's the best solution i agree Grishbok but doesn't mean storing them in a shed will make them obsolete...doing it since many years and no issues so far.

Continental Extreme winter contact $128 or General Altimax Artic $111 each on Tirerack.com
Size 205/50/17 if you sticking with OEM mags. 205 work well in the snow because less wide a bit than stock ones...

Great info. Thanks. Same rims?

Sideways? Fishtailing? I thought that was normal for this car.

Show the car proper respect or it can get away from you.

[QUOTE=Lebowdia;687527]Great info. Thanks. Same rims?

If on a budget yes. If want to keep them nicer for long time can buy steelies. You could then drop to 16 in wheels with 205/55/16 i believe.
You could also try to find used 17 in Subaru mags for winter ( or summer if nicer them OEM mags). That's what i've done...

Agreed. Respect is needed. Didn't think I was pulling anywhere near the edge of a slide or Fishtailing. I was very surprised. Going to try a Winter tire.

[quote=JSUB;687556]Great info. Appreciate it. Any recommendations for an All Season tire for my Wife's 2003 Celica GTS? Costco tire salesman convinced me the BF Goodrich was a good match for her car. I had a different brand and tire in mind. Her car handles like a truck. Huge roll resistance. Costco agreed to take them back especially after I mentioned the Tech said they mounted the front tires backward. Costco is a great company. No questions asked. Good philosophy. A medium priced tire that handles well and good in rain, decent in snow....

Yeah, was referring to this:

That's the part that makes no sense. I know not to drive on them.

Hehe, even with winter tires, my Mustang is too much fun in the snow! :)

[quote=Lebowdia;687570]Goodyear triple treads rocked in my '01 Celi, not sure if they sell them still. They were even good in snow, but not ice.