If your "brand love" is enough to convince you to spend $7000 more for the same car then yes, you're a retard.

Brand loyalty is a terrible concept in the first place... buy products based on sound research, reviews and value!

If the FT-86 was branded a Pontiac Fiero I would still buy one. It's just a badge kids, get over it!

Well it's obvious for me that it be the Brz I like cars with a subtle aggressiveness and a smile that and I've been following the progress of the. Brz and 86 since they were just rumors back in 07,08 and the release of the prototype in 09 I've always followed Subaru side of development. It become part of my interest in cars so I will own a piece of that automotive history. I won't have a problem with owning an Frs but if I can help t I like to own a BRZ now it's time to wait for the after market to build up and possibly the Sti variant.

I think there shouldn't be an argument. If he likes Subie, he gets Subie. If you like Scion better, you get Scion. It's personal preference. You don't want to call someone a retard for doing this or that, and you don't want Hachi to warn/ban you for using offensive response either.

I'm getting the Subie, because I like the lights a little better. But mostly because I currently own a Subie, and I can probably swing a better deal through my dealer...

Your right, it makes perfect sense to pay Subaru a 35% surcharge because they love to kick Canadians in the balls. We should reward them with our business. Not only do we pay 35% extra, we pay 13% tax on that 35% extra.

I'm not going to say one more word against the people that choose to give Subaru money. I'm just going to shit all over the brand to anyone and everyone that will listen until they fix their retarded Canadian pricing.

Subaru Impreza WRX 5 door: USA: $25595 Canada: $33400 - 35% markup Subaru you F-U-C-King bastards!
Scion TC: USA: $19300 Canada: $20850 - 8% Markup
Genesis Coupe 2.0T: USA: $22250 Canada: $24899 (Plus $2500 cash rebate) - Equal when paying cash.
Mazda Miata Base: USA: $23200 Canada: $29000 - 25% markup
Ford Mustang V6 Base: USA: $22310 Canada: $22249 - V6 is cheap here but the V8 costs $9000 more!
Toyota Camry: USA: $20195 Canada: $23700 - 16% markup
Lexus IS 250: USA: $33595 Canada: $33895 - 1% markup!
Honda Civic SI: USA: $22405 Canada: $26000 - 17% markup
BMW 128I: USA: $31050 Canada: $36000 - 16% markup
Audi A4: USA: $32500 Canada: $37800 - 15% markup
Porsche 911: USA: $82100 Canada: $93700 - 15% markup
Infiniti G37 Coupe: USA: $37600 Canada: $46700 - 25% markup
Nissan 370z: USA: $31500 Canada: $41000 - 30% markup

I wanna see that 3rd option FR-S headlight option we have seen. Also, I like the red/black interior, how come you guys don't like em?

Tho, I hate the fact Scion took out the switches, and the frame-less mirror out of the Scion.

I chose the FR-S with hopes it will be less expensive. The radio will be removed as soon as I buy it and gauges will take its place like in the TRD model. Could care less about the hvac shit however I'm sure I can source the controls from the BRZ or FT and swap them. The tray also might allow me to put a single din in with some minor work allowing me to still have some tunes.

Not sure it if read my response correctly.
Just like I said, let him enjoy this BRZ and you enjoy your FRS. People are willing to pay for more expensive alternative, it doesn't make them retards.

Edit: I also choose FR-S because I can have more money to spend to personalize the car.

Will you car come from the UK?

Heh I am - 6'4" here

If nothing else this forum has me torn. I will now go and check out both and make my decisions at or around time of purchase, based on what I learn from the test drive along with attitude of the dealership's etc.. There will be a lot I will be paying attention to with this one. Worked on car lots for quite awhile as a kid, I know the game.

I have some brand loyalty and connection with the Toyo dealer, it's were I bought my truck.. I know the owner in a roundabout way through my relationship's with were I worked in the industry last. So unless Toyo really screws up, by what they bring with factory extras and the like, versus the Suburu I'll go with the FR-S..

Yet to be decided!

BRZ because i want push to start. and looks better and the option are what i want and need. plus no mod really gonna be done to it. price dont matter to me

I understand, you being 30(not bad at all) would like a car with a comfortable interior. But for me being the "Boy Racer" type, I could care less about an interior. :party0030:

I like how the FR-S seems more basic and sporty...

FR-S for me, less is more.

toyota dealer is closer to the house.

FRS for me and for pretty much the same reasons as everybody else. If I have to pick one reason then it must be the front of the car looks so much better than the BRZ.

I am now leaning towards the FRS...if and only if I can get the optional the dual HVAC (for the better look), push button start (i got to have it, its just way cooler), HIDS\LED DRL's, oh and frameless mirror (why you take this out Scion???? this was what was cool about the interior but I know I will be able to add it unless your mirror has homelink then I am cool with that)

I am even ok if I can't get the dual HVAC but I can get the HIDS\LED DRL's and push button start.

Hey if the FRS is $21K plus options...you can't go wrong. I will get the Toyota 86 Steering wheel airbag cover...and it already has the 86 badge on the front fenders...so turning it into a real Toyota 86 is going to be real easy.

Just let us choose each option individually....

Yeah that picture of the middle console is trash. I'd get the Brz if it looks like that too. It shows how much Toyota cares when they rename it to Scion. Scion's first impression is to show us trash, just means they want to give us trash, so we can buy into hype. And that loyal fans will defend them. That look shouldn't even exist even on a low trim. If the rest of the world can't stand for this, bite me Toyota. Thats just extremely bad PR. Thank you for making America worse.

For me trash is trash and I will tell it like it is. And if someone wants to defend trash they are trash. That type of look is something I'd except from the 70s. Now where do i find my cassette tapes to go with the FRS? hah!

:cry:

:word:

FR-S base 6MT in Lava.

I have no need for the extra cost, weight and complexity of dual HVAC/heated everything/AC/Etc. I can add in my own aftermarket radio/touch screen for a fraction of the price that Subaru offers, and that's all I really need.

I love a nice, basic interior in a car designed for sporty driving. It helps that it will be several grand cheaper than the 'base' Subaru as well.

BRZ as of right now. If the GT86 was to come, I'd buy that..I'd pay $6K more for it than the Scion..I would never drive a Scion.

I change my vote to the FR-S because of the simple yet sporty look.

Btw hello from South Florida fellow future FR-S/GT86 owners!!

I change my vote to the FR-S because of the simple yet sporty look.

Btw hello from South Florida fellow future FR-S/GT86 owners!!


Aren't the GT86 and FR-S pretty much the same damn car just with different badges? lol

Shhhhh! Don't let out the secret!

They are... just let them dream, reality will hit them come Detroit when Subaru announces dual zone HVAC and seat heaters only in the Limited for $27k+. I don't even want to think how much extra it's going to be in Europe, Japan, and Australia.

Scion FR-S =21k
Subaru BRZ=24K

Air Intake=200$
Performance Exhaust=850$
Crutchfield Head unit =400$
Performance Chip=300$
Performance Wheels and Tires=1500$
Other or Extra Money in pocket=750$

All this before you even reach a base BRZ's price. But this pricing is not confirmed, i'm just using an example.

I'd say BRZ, but it all depends on the price. Only difference is wheels (aluminum vs. steel) and nav and Scion still comes 1,500 under, I will go for Scion. My image of Scion is that the direct competitor of the brand is Kia Soul.... a car driven by a bunch of hamsters..... That's the only issue.

BRZ for me if it makes it to Australia.

You would think, but ever since Scion showed us an interior that did not match the GT86 version, this forum has been slammed with the same issue being posted over and over again.

In case you have been away, here is a summary of the last 1000 posts on the question of:
Will the FRS offer the same exact options as the GT86 and/or BRZ?

YES they will
NO they won't
I DON'T care
I DO care
YES they will
NO they won't
I DON'T care
I DO care
YES they will
NO they won't
I DON'T care
I DO care
YES they will
NO they won't
I DON'T care
I DO care
YES they will
NO they won't
I DON'T care
I DO care
YES they will
NO they won't
....... To be continued.....:bonk:

Scion said they will have more options available for the FRS than any other car...so yeah I will believe their word that they will offer the options that some of us want.

I'm leaning toward BRZ because I'll be using the Subaru VIP program which usually brings the price down about $2500 from MSRP.

So Scion FRS $21.5k or Subaru BRZ $22.5k?

Is the nicer higher quality interior of the Subaru worth the extra $1k? To me, since I will be sitting in the car 99% of the time as opposed to looking at the exterior 1% of the time, it is.
To others who are focussing on making theirs a lightweight track monster probably not.

(however if Scion releases that blue modified bodykit with the STI type wing, i will seriously reconsider)

Tell us if BRZ is included in the program or not. I'm waiting to get it in the second year of production. :D

I think If they make STI, they will use one-piece solid bumper instead of tape on kit.

I think it's also the age and demographics the two cars are aimed at, I noticed that our older forum members(agewise) who don't track as much and is looking for a casual club racer would choose the BRZ( notice that those people have very fine taste in cars as well they already owned higher quality cars. Lotus, Lexus, Higher end Toyota sports cars) They were already a teir up to begin with They're not the Celica owners or the TC. While our younger member who is just starting out or Track often (Corolla, Si,Celica, tc owners)is looking for the FRS. I also know that people will change their minds on a dime depending what information is released. And the younger of the two crowds is very easily swayed. I like it alot that someone mentioned that one big fact that you'll only be looking at the car's outside about 1% of the time, but you'll be inside it 99% of the time. That is something very true, and I think people forget about it. And honestly I feel like our older members has already either A owned a car that was much more spartan then the FRS, people who have owned old Rx7,Lotus,s2000. Can appreciate both sides because they know how nice it is to have that Extra or how nice it is to not have anything.

And I just like to point out that in the event that you finance the car, 24k and 22K aren't that different per month. If your bent out of shape by paying about 20$ more a month for the better equipped car, then I don't think this scene is for you. You'll spend alot more on parts then 20$ a month. You'll pay to fuel it at the track more then 20$ a month, and for those that say yes there's more options. Options cost money. I wonder how many people considered the fact that by the time they get the car they want it's 24k. or even dealer mark up of the BRZ.

Now it's just your exterior that's objective. To each his own.Premium or Limited etc. the cars wont cost exactly 24K so add that to your factor. You should up your expectation

Expect to pay or see BRZ premium at 26k sitting on the lot.
Expect to pay or see FRS close to 24K sitting on the lot.

Because dealers will add shit and you know it. Even SCION unless you know exactly what your doing and I can tell their's alot of new car buyers out here that wont. Becareful.

Toyota or Subaru?

Now I again do not know. From looks I prefere the Subaru, But from price point the Toyota. I want to strip the car down right after delivery. What use of the Subaru comfort features then?

Subaru... looking for a fun to drive daily driver, plus I think it looks "cleaner" too.

Am I the only one waiting for the BRZ different body kits? Such as the wing, and some lips? I really wanna see something like that...

Nope I'm waiting for it too sonething subtle and not way too out there. And clean. Maybe a functional spoiler? Lol

Me too. I hope Subaru will show some STI/SPT accessories at lunch, likely before.