No. Looks like it's a commercial product.

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Hey, Do you know anyone that wants a used AWD Mustang Dyno?

A buddy just had to Repo a Dyno from a shop in FL

I'm going to post up a classified ad for it.

-John

as a matter of fact I do!

One of my mazda shops needs a new unit(newer, anyway)

email me the details?

I'm curious if you understand how the whole EcuTek thing works in our favor. First a tuner like Visconti or FT86Speedfactory generates a base map for the car that is a decent map to get some added performance, better fueling, etc. Then theres all the added feature sets that the EcuTek software gurus work with to unlock or in some cases even add to the ECU functionality. Once you buy a tune and license any subsequent tweaks or alterations to the featureset is rolled out by your preferred tuner at no cost to you. Also as I have seen and heard from numerous people, with the data logging your tuner can further tweak your individual tune for your specific setup.

As I see it with EcuTek and the tuners, you aren't really buying a static tune. I may be wrong but I think as long as you stick with NA (Gas/e85/Flex) or FI (Gas/e85/Flex) these tuners will support you. You also pay for the added comfort of knowing that these tuners know this car better than we do from the tuning side of things.

I guess if you fancy yourself as an experienced tuner you might be a little miffed about the prospect of being doomed to not decide how to tune your car, but I am sure that these tuners will cater to your wants within reason...and I'm sure they will help push your car to the point where it pops as long as there is a contract of sorts stating you accept the consequences of pushing beyond "safe" limits to cover their asses.

Ultimately the software to be an EcuTek tuner is available...here's their site:
http://www.ecutek.com/Products/ProEC...cion_FR-S.aspx

But if $1000 seems steep to have a good tune, then I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess this is far more than that...

I'll stop you here. And direct you here for an answer to this...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=26

I for one would be glad to pay a premium for a solution that allows me to modify my maps and parameters at will. As long as it has a full feature set to allow for future modifications, boost by gear, electronic boost control, etc.

Open source is always going to lag behind with the features. Im not holding my breath but it would be great if a viable open source solution existed.
ECUtek doesnt allow me to change my own parameters at will. Not paying that much for essentially a flash that i have no control over.

I know im not the only one holding out for a real viable tuning solution that i can pay for, then have a reputable tuner tune, then freely modify as i see fit at home with my laptop. If it has the features i want, i will pay for it. And i'm sure i'm not the only one.

So who's going to be the first person to set up a company, buy the ecutek suite, setup a citrix/terminal server and start renting out ECUTek map tuning access time? ;)

Probably the person who wants to quickly lose EcuTek as a supplier.

http://brzedit.com/index.php/2013-01-22-04-55-54

Software has now been released, $1500 for the pro version looks like decent value to me :)

i always trust companies with my money when they have email addresses such as brzedit@gmail.com and have yet to produce a video or any other evidence of this working on a BRZ.

Lol. Thats funny. I think the same when they dont use domain email.

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Especially when they already own a domain. It would take all of 5 minutes to set up a google apps account. Aren't these guys supposed to be developers?

I guess with no open source counterpart the pricing is higher... The pro WRX software is $150. If it is not clear the personal version lets you edit your own maps.

Who wants to be a guinea pig? :)

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should have my copy of personal today ($499)..

For all the EcuTek guys that are worried about people getting hold of their roms..l don't be. BRZEdit does NOT include a read feature even on the pro version for this reason... Now when ECUFLash comes out with support for the toyobaru... all bets are off.

Pro (1500) lets you tune an unlimited number of cars and includes 1 year support
Personal (499) lets you tune 1 car
lite (199) only lets you install maps and log, this is so tuners with pro can send out maps.

Here is a list of accessible maps i got from epifan.
Interestingly enough, there is no MAP Sensor scaling. Not good news for the boosted crowd.

I'd still run MAF with my tune, but i'd like to be able to put a decent MAP sensor on the car to see boost.


Accel Pedal - Torque Request Drive By Wire
Accel Pedal - Torque Request (Sport Mode) Drive By Wire
Advance Multiplier Increment Ignition Timing \ Learning
AF Sensor Atm Pressure Comp Sensors \ AF Sensors
AF Sensor Heater duty cycle A Sensors \ AF Sensors
AF Sensor Heater duty cycle B Sensors \ AF Sensors
AF Sensor Heater Power On delay Sensors \ AF Sensors
AF Sensor Heater protection Sensors \ AF Sensors
AFR Max Correction Fueling \ AF Correction
AFR Min Correction Fueling \ AF Correction
AFR Sensor Heater Limit Sensors \ AF Sensors
Air Intake Temp Sensor Scaling Sensors
Air Temp vs Air Flow Comp Engine Load
Calc Engine Load A Engine Load
Calc Engine Load B Engine Load
Calculated Torque A Drive By Wire \ Calculated Torque
Calculated Torque B Drive By Wire \ Calculated Torque
Catalyst Warm-up (Idle) Catalyst
Catalyst Warm-up (Moving) Catalyst
Closed Loop AFR Adjustment A Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop AFR Adjustment B Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop Delay (Maximum Engine Load) Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop Maximum Vehicle Speed Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop Min Coolant Temp Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop Throttle Delay Fueling \ Closed Loop
Closed Loop to Open Delay Periods Fueling \ Closed Loop
Coolant Temp Sensor Scaling Sensors
Cranking Fuel Map Trim Fueling \ Cranking
Cranking Injector Pulse Width Fueling \ Cranking
Cranking Throttle Trim Fueling \ Cranking
Delayed Closed Loop Engine Load Timer Fueling \ Closed Loop
DI Quantity Maximum Allowed Injection Control
DI Quantity Minimum Allowed Injection Control
DTC Table Diagnostic Trouble Codes
Engine Cranking Enrichment Fueling \ Cranking
Engine Load Limit A Engine Load
Engine Load Limit B Engine Load
Engine Load Multiplier Engine Load
Front O2 Sensor Scaling A Sensors
Front O2 Sensor Scaling B Sensors
Fuel Cut Resume Manifold Pressure Limiters
Fuel Injection Ratio ECT Switch Threshold A Injection Control
Fuel Injection Ratio ECT Switch Threshold B Injection Control
Fuel Map Fueling
Fuel Multiplier Display Offset Other \ Gauge
GDI Firing Angle (Cold-Idle) Injection Control
GDI Firing Angle (HL cold) Injection Control
GDI Firing Angle (HL hot) Injection Control
GDI Firing Angle (LL cold) Injection Control
GDI Firing Angle (LL hot) Injection Control
GDI Flow Rate Fueling \ Injector Scaling
GDI Pressure Multiplier A Injection Control
GDI Pressure Multiplier B Injection Control
GDI Pressure Target A Fueling
GDI Pressure Target B Fueling
Gear Detection Thresholds A Other \ Gearing
Gear Detection Thresholds B Other \ Gearing
Idle Air Flow vs Coolant Temp Idle Control
Idle Control A Idle Control
Idle Control B Idle Control
Idle Engine Load vs Coolant Temp Idle Control
Idle Target A Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target B Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target C Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target D Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target E Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target F Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target G Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target H Idle Control \ Targets
Idle Target I Idle Control \ Targets
Ignition Advance Ignition Timing
Ignition Base (Normal) Ignition Timing
Ignition Base (Safe) Ignition Timing
Ignition Compensation A Ignition Timing
Ignition Compensation B Ignition Timing
Ignition Compensation C Ignition Timing
Ignition Compensation D Ignition Timing
Ignition Compensation E Ignition Timing
Ignition Retard (Clutch Down) Ignition Timing
Ignition Timing Comp vs Air Intake Temp (Threshold) Ignition Timing
Ignition Timing Compensation vs Air Intake Temp Ignition Timing
Initial Advance Multiplier Ignition Timing \ Learning
Injector Flow Scaling Fueling \ Injector Scaling
Injector Minimum Open time Fueling \ Injector Scaling
Injectory Battery Offset Fueling \ Injector Scaling
Knock Detection RPM Range Ignition Timing \ Knock Control
Knock Retard Decrement Ignition Timing \ Knock Control
Knock Retard Igntion Correction RPM Range Ignition Timing \ Knock Control
Knock Retard Increment Ignition Timing \ Knock Control
Knock Retard Minimum Engine Load Ignition Timing \ Knock Control
Knock Sensor Scaling Sensors
MAF Sensor Scaling Sensors
Mass Air Flow Limit A Limiters
Minimum Open Loop AFR Fueling \ Closed Loop
Minimum PI Quantity Injection Control
Missfire Detection Diagnostic Trouble Codes
Open Loop Delay Threshold (Load) Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Delay Threshold (Throttle) Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Fuel Throttle Enrichment A Fueling \ Enrichment
Open Loop Fuel Throttle Enrichment B Fueling \ Enrichment
Open Loop Gear Threshold A Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Gear Threshold B Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Stationary RPM Threshold Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Throttle Threshold (Manual) Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Throttle Threshold A Fueling \ Closed Loop
Open Loop Throttle Threshold B Fueling \ Closed Loop
PI Manifold Relative Pressure Comp Injection Control
Radiator Fan Control - Vehicle Speed Fan Control
Radiator Fan Coolant Temp Threshold A Fan Control
Radiator Fan Coolant Temp Threshold B Fan Control
Rev Limit A Limiters
Rev Limit B Limiters
Solenoid Control Other \ Solenoid
Solenoid Duty Other \ Solenoid
Throttle Angle - Torque Request Drive By Wire
Throttle Delta Fuel Comp (Delta) A Fueling \ Enrichment
Throttle Delta Fuel Comp (Delta) B Fueling \ Enrichment
Throttle Delta Fuel Comp Threshold A Fueling \ Enrichment
Throttle Delta Fuel Comp Threshold B Fueling \ Enrichment
Throttle Delta Fuel Comp vs Coolant Fueling \ Enrichment
Total Injection Ratio GDI port (Cold) Injection Control
Total Injection Ratio GDI port (Hot) Injection Control
Total Injection Ratio GDI port (Warm) Injection Control
Unkn Temp Scalling (Fuel?) Sensors
VVT Exhaust Angle (Base) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Exhaust Angle (Normal) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Exhaust Angle (Safe) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Exhaust Duty Correction A Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Exhaust Duty Correction B Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Exhaust Duty Correction C Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Exhaust Duty Correction D Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Intake Angle (Base) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Intake Angle (Normal) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Intake Angle (Safe) Variable Valve Timing
VVT Intake Duty Correction A Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Intake Duty Correction B Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Intake Duty Correction C Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
VVT Intake Duty Correction D Variable Valve Timing \ OCV
Warm-up Fuel Enrichment (Idle) Fueling \ Enrichment
Warm-up Fuel Enrichment (Moving) Fueling \ Enrichment
Wide Open Throttle Torque Limits Drive By Wire \ Calculated Torque

Is there a thorough explanation of what each parameter means... and how they interact?

I'll give it a guess (from my experience with Ford ECU's).
Open-Loop Fueling:
MAF * Scaling Factor --> Load
Load + VVT Trim + RPM --> Open Loop Fuel Map --> Fuel Mass
Fuel Mass + Pressure + Battery Voltage + IAT --> Direct Inj PWs + Port Inj PWs (split injection may be enabled)

Closed-Loop Fueling:
Adaptive AFR Target + AFR Feedback --> Fuel Mass Trim
This probably has catalyst cycling built in.

Torque Control:
Pedal Position --> Torque Request
Torque Request - Calculated Torque --> Delta MAF
Delta MAF + Current MAF --> Delta Throttle Angle

Active Knock Control:
IAT + Load + RPM --> Open-Loop Ignition Timing
OL Ignition Timing + Time Since Knock * Ignition Advance/Retard Rates --> Closed-Loop Ignition Timing

Obviously I'm not including anything related to idle, WOT, etc that involves a threshold or limit. Can somebody clarify the structuring the parameters for me?

Did you happen to get a list of loggable params? Mainly want to see if front o2 is included since it is a wide range sensor (12.0 - 20.0 AFR).

Weird, his screenshots show "Air Flow Sensor Scaling" in the top right. Then again, none of the screenshots are from a BRZ, all WRX.

http://brzedit.com/images/yootheme/w.../scr-e-01s.gif

I did not get a list of log-able params. Sorry.
If Front O2 is not included, i would be very surprised.

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i hope to hell you guys know what you're doing.

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SCREENSHOTS. (please)

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So have you tried changing something and reflashing? Like say the rev limiter or something simple like that?

I'm not sure exactly what i want to see...
Is there any indication how the ECU deals with knock?
how about MAF sensor scaling?
I assume "Fuel Map" is open loop fueling?

can we turn off the catalyst DTCs?

It's a Denso ECU and similar to other Subaru ECUs so there is a lot of information out there from the open source. The forums at openecu.org or romraider.com are probably good places to start. The big difference however is the use of Direct Injection on this engine.

I am still a little surprised at the pricing but I guess the point was to compete directly with Ecutek. The cost for the personal edition plus the cable is about $650 with the ability to edit and trade maps, etc.

Does it offer on-the-fly changes? or require the map to be uploaded after each change?

any of the major tuners plan on tuning on this platform as well? May make it easier to expand their customer base due to lower point of entry, but only if the feature sets are comparable (which it currently looks like ECUtek has the advantage there.)

how does the map trading work, given that the pro edition is supposed to be locked to 1 vin? I'm guessing you can save and email the maps, but your copy of BRZedit can only flash to the 1 registered VIN?

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From my understanding after emailing the author a similar question that is correct. The maps are not tied to a VIN/license key like Ecutek maps are, only the flashing procedure is tied to a specific VIN.

It will be interesting to see how things play out with regards to the software and if tuners decide to use it or not. Ecutek has a lot of advanced features such as all of the Racerom stuff, multiple map switching without reflashing, etc. The other issue is tuners aren't going to email maps out like with Ecutek. But from what I understood there is a master/slave mode where someone with the Pro software can remotely tune/flash a car.

So, I have been looking over my stock rom and making changes for the last several hours now. None of this is new to me, just the particulars with this platform. Once thing Interesting that i logged is throttle plate limiting during the "dip" AP is on the floor but throttle angle pulls back a good bit then opens back up as your coming out of the dip and reached full open by about 4500 rpm. VVT maps look like i expected, intake advance in neutered in the middle of the dip.. Lots of torque limits and request tables to adjust.. working on getting rid of the throttle limit at the moment by adjusting the torque limit, request, and calculation tables.

I'll post up more info latter on after i play around some more.

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:happy0180:

:hitcomputer:

This should make the guys that want to self tune happy

John

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this makes me moist

So far Epifan has been quick to take feed back. He already added a requested logging param for me today (Calculated load in Grams / rev) and released a new version.

Right now I am just working on fueling and VVT, with a sprinkle of timing. I played around with DBW enough last night to learn what NOT to do.. the table labeled as the WOT Torque Limit, is actually more of a base value used in the throttle opening calc... if you increase the limit table above the request table you get LESS throttle opening angle.

We should probably start a new thread or threads related to specific tuning topics. I have some tables and logs from last nights trial and error that I will post up latter now that I have this installed on my desktop too.