Target production of 3000? That's only about eight per dealer in the US. That works out to about one per month per dealer. Less if the 3000 number is for worldwide sales.

Faster? We already know there won't be a FI model even from Subaru at the get-go. So, $31k for what? I'm asking the same question.

It seems like that $31k will be for pretty much everything you'd be able to dealer option onto its -twin- car, the FR-S.

When I say "do myself" I don't mean engine mods to make it as fast as the STi (it'll be the same damn engine with the same damn output), I meant options offered via brochure and end up with a car I want, at the price I want, instead of having to spend an arm and a leg for an entire package deal (STi).

Hell, an STi version hasn't even been confirmed. Its just speculation.

Seems like the agreement is for no mid-grade WRX like model for BRZ, only a STI variant as to not take sales from FRS and "BRZ" well optioned models.

There was talk about a stroked mill with slightly different pistons, airbox, cam profiles, exhaust system and ecu tuning on the existing mill(think about the recent review saying 240hp/200tq@7k, that would be it, they were told vaguely but they confused it in the article saying #s were for normal BRZ when it wasn't).

Q1 2013 is the target. This date is too far away for STI variant it could only mean they are waiting for new gen mill to pass tests(which should of been done 2 months ago) and scrap the bigger tuned N/A idea, but being very tight lipped. They also are faced with knowing 31+k is turbo 4 or 6cyl territory for Japanese sports cars and anything less would be a tough sell in their upcoming line up.

Exactly...the only point I'm making is that $31k is just way too much to be asking unless its what everyone expects from an STi version, that includes Force Induction.

Hell, that car and driver article quotes that executive as saying $28k for the base BRZ. Thats a huge eyebrow raiser. Why so high?

This as been mentioned in other places about rumors that dealers will get 1-2 cars per month. No haggling with that.

Whether it's released 12 or 16months from now doesn't matter, what matters it's coming so save your money for the bigger better picture. Don't be penny smart dollar foolish.

$31k will not be a dealer optioned car it will be a race bred vehicle, optioned would be $34k for premium audio/nav and leather just like an optioned WRXSTI hits 40k with those things.

Say what you want I've came back to point out the things that I've already shared with people on here. Also I will bet you that you cannot make your FRS/"BRZ" faster and lighter than the "BRZ" STI using quality parts for under 31k including the cost of little to no optioned car which will be in the 25k region. Not going to happen, you'll have no interior inducing extra road noise, sacrifice comfort and reliabilty throwing away your powertrain warranty trying to do so.

To put in perspective here's a scenario. A quality intake system, header, cat, and catback that actually gives you gains will run you 2.2k, RPF1 or like new forged lw wheels another 2k with 180utg rated tires, seat pair 1k, aluminum links, brakes, suspension arms add another 3k(not including struts and springs), ecu flash 500. That's 8.7k, your leaving out STI exterior/interior styling, struts/springs/sways, turbo, model value, possible emission issues with header/cat. In the end you are still down on power/tq and not handling as well, the STI will be factory engineered and backed not a modded bolt-on hot mess.

Is that 3,000 Scion and Subaru models together, or just applies to the Subaru BRZ?

Why so few anyway?

I wonder why the Subaru allocation is so low. Toyota has priority? Subaru is planning on stretching the platform for the WRX and AWD, and doesn't want to dilute their AWD brand? They want to differentiate themselves with a higher output model in a year?

I'd expect that's the Subaru allocation for the US. They built a new plant for this and they're not making money on a production run of 3,000 per year. It sounds like Toyota is getting almost all the production for the first year.

Its not its the same as other sport models in the line up.

No

Yes stretch, No could care less

Yes

3000 units a year?!?!?! Dammit!

Ah, so we'll see much more than 3,000 units of the Scion FR-S per year?

If so, whew....

Interesting article. Just wondering how accurate the estimated price is.

Almost dead on.

Oh Rly?

Source?

Man I hate it when magazines dont do there reaserch...
Most things have been done before....one way or another before.

Jowett made flat twin and flat 4 Rwd cars, utes, vans, sports cars. (production started 1910 winding up in 1953 with a limited batch of Jups being made up to 1954 to use up spare chassies)

Heres a tiny list...

1923 Jowett sports
1935/36 Jowett Weasle Sports tourer flat twin 900cc RWD 2 door light weight body.

This is the last flat 4 rwd sports car
1950s Jowett Jupiter is a 1.5L flat 4 RWD 2door sports car....
There are more models availble than there are listed in link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jowett

This is the last boxer engined rwd sports car
1965-69 Toyota S800 flat twin 800cc RWD 2 Door sports car
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Sports_800

They were speaking about current production cars. This will be the worlds only boxer FR. Not that it was/is/has been the only one. Just that it is the only one now.

Want to go on the record with an exact amount?

Yea I go along with that :)

I think production will increase over the next few years.. after the redesign or refresh of the current one, I think sales would blow up.

I hope that's the case for STI ,not a normal BRZ

Cool, that is at least how I read it. :)

It's all sounding too inevitable that there will be a proper hi-po version of this car. It's a shame they didn't get on it sooner to be honest though. Not liking the sound of it basically saying "drive it and very shortly you'll wish it had 100 more HP". The weight game is all fine and dandy, but that only caters to what is possibly the smallest segment, the "sporty car niche segment" type of auto enthusiast.

When I turned 21 I bought a new Celica GT-S, and I heard it non-stop "looks fast", especially when Toyota used that in their marketing. After having a legitimate "fast" car now, it'd be too hard to get into one of these as a main car.

Here's to hoping Subie does the right thing and slaps a turbo on this thing.

Anybody know how the tranny in the IS350 is? Never driven one.

My best friend bought a last gen Celica the first month it came out, he had it for about 6 month before he sold it! For that same reason ( the Car was just to under power for its looks) thaTs why i want to hear the reviews on this car before i make my desision! I also like the 2013 GC.

The automatic transmission on the IS350 is quite good. Not as good as an ISFs but still extremely impressive when compared to slightly older manumatic transmissions. It lets you rev higher and longer without interfering. The early manumatics were pathetic, shifting gears both up and down entirely too early. The IS350 was and still is a very capable car with a great transmission. If the FRS/BRZ adopted that for their automatic, those who choose it shouldn't be disappointed.

As for Motortrend wanting more power, who doesn't? But if a Mazda MX5 can do a burnout, I'm sure the FRS/BRZ should be able to as well.

I'm a bit dissapointed with that statement about the rear cylinders lining up with the front of the car, given the look of this image:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets..._fr-s_side.jpg



It certainly looks like that engine could be backed up a bit to take a bit of weight off of the front tires. Perhaps they ran into issues with the bellhousing cramping foot room? Or does the firewall just go that far forward?