Probably 3, but you can only see 2 of the top hat nuts and the strut shaft nut in the picture. You'll be able to adjust it just fine there.

If you lower the fenders you remove space that the wheel and tire can be, so you'd lower the hood and fenders at the expense of multiple inches of potential wheel travel.

Now we've figured out it's a trunk...question now is how the f does it open with them taillights the way they are ...:iono:

Why the hell does it matter if its a trunk or a hatch really?

Nice find. Much appreciated.

Not a hatchback?! The production FR-S is going to be a hatchback, right?

Seriously?

Seriously dude, your jk right? From the original concept to the most recent race mule, every incarnation of the ft86 has had a trunk...It's going to be a trunk...period.

Hm... looking at this pic. I notice weakness in the chassis (AE86 owner might now what I'm talking bout :() or hope they have reinforced it like Silvia

Did you notice the trend for your butt dyno findings?

NA, DA, and EK = double wishbone front suspension

S14, FC, and Eclipse = strut front suspension

Not drawing any conclusions, but thought that was interesting.

wow i actually didn't think of that, you could be right. Which could explain why that strut bar has to be so thick. Taking care of some of that load from this,

There was pic where it has enough of a gap to open.

Weight, storage space, stiffer frame. It's an important factor.


Unfortunately!

What is this a Mustang with half the engine?

No...this car is not (suppose to be) a piece of shit :iono:

For real though...having a trunk somehow not relates it to a mustang...i dont see how that works?
Fortunatly! ( for me)

I'm still secretly hoping for a hatchback. If it's not, it won't be practical enough, and pretty much a deal breaker. Can't see being able to put a set of race tires in there with it being just a regular trunk lid, not to mention other bulky items for daily use.
Maybe the idea of taking race tires, jack and tools is going to manifest as an optional FR-S branded tire trailer and hitch installation. :iono:

It is supposed to make more of a difference on Mac strut cars. Honestly even on those though I never noticed anything. :iono:

I was really hoping it would be a hatchback. I mean, this would have been a perfect vehicle if it had a hatchback. With the functionality of a hatchback I would be able to carry many more items in the car. I plan on traveling the country for future vacations, and that would have meant packing a tent, and supplies to travel all around and work at different offices for my country. I want to live out of my car, and I'll still do that, but the hatch would have made it easier to pack things in. The only bad thing about having a hatch would maybe be a little bit of added weight, but it would have been worth it to make this car a perfect daily fun car.

On top of that, I want to buy this car and keep it for as long as it lasts. That can mean I'm with it for over 10 years, and having that added bit of functionality is crucial. I want my next car to be functional, fun, frugal, and above all else, reliable. I was looking at 4 doors, like the 2006 BMW 330i, but this new car seems to tick all the proper boxes, but the fact that it doesn't have a hatch is a tick against functionality.

That is why having a hatch or notch or liftback is so important, because customers like me need this car to be as good as it can be. I'll have to wait and see when the car comes out if it still fits my needs. I do say, though, that this is looking really good so far.

Also, in case you're wondering, here are my current wants when it comes to my next car:

Must be RWD
Must be lightweight
Must be extremely reliable
Must look good
Must be manual
Must be faster than my current car
Should be easy to work on

Now, my current car is a 98 Honda Prelude, which I have modified to try and deal with FWD, and while it's good, and has a higher output engine, I still don't consider it to be good enough. It has been very reliable for the 4 years I've owned it, but it being made 13 years ago takes its toll. As soon as I get my next car, the Prelude will go onto the track until she dies a dignified death.

Hatchback is just far more functional in my view. You can put things in without having to scrape along that top bar that is left when the seats are folded down on a sedan.

I'm also looking for a fun but practical car that will last a long time. A hatch is important to me. Sedans are everywhere, a hatch would help to distinguish this car. I don't see what advantage sedans have, unless you're in the mafia.

The other thing that concerns me about this car is engine size. I understand they can tune an engine to rev really high and up the power, but how much torque can you get out of 2.0L? That rumor about a turbocharged model sounds great, but why drop the engine size to 1.6L. Why not turbocharge the 2.0L?

Aside from these two issues, this car looks amazing. The lightweight, RWD, 6 speed manual, sports coupe idea is a great one. Just not sure on a couple of these decisions.

cobalt sstc only mods are tune/e85/drop in air filter 12.9@112mph at 4114 adjusted altitude. And its only a 2.0l. multiple others pushing 500whp so unless you're expecting a drag/dyno queen with 600+whp you should be good

http://youtu.be/73EVa43XIl4

That Cobalt is a 2.0L turbo. I said they should release a 2.0L turbo version of the FT86.

How can they say it's inspired by the AE86 and not have a hatch!!:thumbdown: The GTV's were hatchbacks.

That seems to be the trend these days whether it's remake of old cars, movies, music, clothing trends, iconic figures etc. People trying to bring back or associate ideas from the 80's and 90's yet forget the important details. :bs:

Will the whining over the trunk/hatch debate ever stop? If maximum storage space in a vehicle is that important to you... get a larger car. Remove the back seats. If that isn't enough, get a trailer hitch and a track trailer. The FRS is a tiny car, fitting four tires in the trunk of a car its size is already asking a LOT. Be happy with the car, or shop for a larger one one.

:mad0259:

Eventually, I'll come to terms but in the time being, I'll still bummed that they have deviated from the originator. The same argument can be made with the Supra fans that if they announced the return of the Supra and made it a trunk or made it a hybrid.

Truth of the matter and it's all about the details so to say it's "inspired" yet forget the fundamentals enables room for a discussion. :sigh:

I don't really give a shit about the trunk space since I have a truck and can rent a trailer. It will be gutted when it's ready to go to the track.

well, either way, since it's almost confirmed that it's a trunk, then I can't really plead for a hatch. I have made due with the Prelude's trunk so far, so I I guess I can make due with a trunk in my next car. The fact still stands tho, if this was a hatch, it would make the fact that this is a two door car more livable. Now I may have to go look at 4 door cars again, and the only RWD 4 door cars with manuals are offered by BMW. I won't make any decisions until this car comes out though.

To be honest I really don't care either way. I actually welcome the idea of the trunk considering I haven't had a trunk in a vehicle in quite some time. I have no special attachment to my two hatchbacks. As long as I can fit a decent sized duffel bag back there I don't care how it opens up. Hell, as long as I can fit a duffel bag in the passenger's seat I'm happy. Back seats and a trunk are all excessive for my needs. :happy0180:

The AE86 didn't have a boxer engine either though. I don't take automakers serious when they say "this car will be a spiritual successor" to most cars anyways.

Really!! I thought it did!! ;) :bellyroll:


I guess I was expecting too much and set the bar high with this car. I'm still holding off until the official release and have a plan B; MV Agusta F3 or Ducati 1199 Paginale.

I find it a bit disturbing that that bike will have the same power as the FT86 but at 1/6th the weight.

Back on topic...oh wait nevermind it's no use because this one has morphed into another trunk/hatch topic.

Carry on

:wub: F3

So a scion in the states? But i wanted it to be a toyota!!!





Ohh wait...

Ummmm you guys do know that the original AE86 came with a trunk in some models also....its not just a hatch because of initialD........

That is the main goal with motorcycle manufactures; develop a motorcycle capable of winning championships. Last season is yesterday's technology.

Cars are cool n all but nothing beats riding a motorcycle! :thanks:

Listen to this baby sing! Slip on and older 10R ECU=170hp to 188hp!

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Back on topic, we know that this car that was racing is a trunk and C&D article mentioned it was a notchback. Maybe they'll offer a hatch in the future. That would be cool


Got to hand it to the Italians! :respekt:

No way!!! ;) :bellyroll:

Yeah they offered both but the more popular version was the fastback! Even the GTV was a fastback. Regardless of the added weight and less rigid frame, fastbacks/hatches just look better!

Why are we discussing motorcycles?

Yeah seriously good job guys!!!!! :bellyroll:


**BACK ON TOPIC**

mmm rear suspension setup...

http://images.thecarconnection.com/l...00367308_l.jpg

http://blog.toyota.eu/wp-content/upl...0/D53G7746.jpg

http://blog.toyota.eu/wp-content/upl...0/D53G7704.jpg

http://blog.toyota.eu/wp-content/upl...0/D53G8761.jpg

http://blog.toyota.eu/wp-content/upl...0/D53G8764.jpg

http://blog.toyota.eu/wp-content/upl...0/P1030345.jpg

Umm I'm a bit moist...

hi-resolution pics by any chance? I could use a new desktop.

is the coilovers H&R?
I see its a sponsor

No idea what they are but some sponsors are paying for space on the car, nothing else. (In general I mean, I have no idea what deals GR made with the companies who have logos/names on the car)

i doubt it has H&R suspension. there are ATS stickers everywhere and yet the car has BBS wheels so... yeah, sponsor stickers...

PS: i think the car would look sick with ATS WTCC wheels

Can anybody estimate toe in/toe out...and chamber angles?

Everybody has to wear H&R stickers, they are one of the sponsors of the series. Even the LFA wears H&R stickers @ the nurburgring.