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xrs 09-14-2012 01:47 PM

The Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne RS-68 (Rocket System 68)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngine_test.jpg

:bonk:

Wes B. 09-14-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mact (Post 440459)
The turbocharged version of the FA20.

I don't know why this just didn't use that engine in the first place...
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Originally Posted by ST185RC (Post 440465)
2UR-GSE sounds like a fine swap.

Yep, already been said.
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Originally Posted by xrs (Post 440466)
The Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne RS-68 (Rocket System 68)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngine_test.jpg

:bonk:

You find a way to make that work....

@Art_Mighty 09-16-2012 04:30 PM

S54
 
There's NO WAY it would fit and it would be way too heavy for this car, but I miss this motor...

http://cdn3.worldcarfans.co/2007/7/m...01.Mini17L.jpg

BMW S54

S2kphile 09-16-2012 04:46 PM

I'm surprised no one said a couple of SR20s but they do pull a premium



































before Race Wars

Wes B. 09-17-2012 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty (Post 443715)
There's NO WAY it would fit and it would be way too heavy for this car, but I miss this motor...

http://cdn3.worldcarfans.co/2007/7/m...01.Mini17L.jpg

BMW S54

True story...
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Originally Posted by S2kphile (Post 443730)
I'm surprised no one said a couple of SR20s but they do pull a premium.....before Race Wars

Haha! Indeed!

Rawhyde 09-24-2012 01:21 PM

No way it would fit, but the 1.6 liter supercharged MINI Would be great. (The 210 HP John Cooper Works version). Plenty of power, nice and easy to modulate power delivery, and nice sound effects.

dsmx17 10-01-2012 04:55 PM

4g63. because racecar.

SVTSHC 10-01-2012 05:49 PM

I'll take the H6 from a 911 turbo. Don't know the engine designation.

muffinman 10-02-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 431877)
Motus KMV4: 1.6l V4, 161 hp at 7,800 rpm, and 122 ft/lbs of torque at 4,500 rpm.

http://www.sportbikemarket.com/wp-co...usmst5.jpg.jpg

The awesome thing about this engine is that it's literally half of an LS7.R, just downsized. Like typical Chevy small blocks, the KMV4 is supposed to be incredibly simple and easy to work on.

i never knew motors like this existed. when the ls1 first came out and i rode in a friend's car, i thought cutting off 2 cylinders would make it a pretty sweet 6 cylinder for the base 4th gen camaro. probably 260-270hp in a v6 in the late 90's wouldve been sweet

Captain Insano 10-02-2012 10:40 PM

Subaru flat6 EZ36D might be interesting. In fact, I like the idea of either of the turbo flat4 OR the NA flat6 engines from Subaru making into some later MY or special version like an STi. Coolest would be if they brought the big guns with a new OEM turbo flat6... One can dream.

I think though the easiest to do in the short term would be an EJ207 or EJ257. I especially like the idea of the EJ207. Those are pretty damn stout.

Xanatos 10-03-2012 12:10 AM

If money were not an issue any Formula 1 Engine would be the way to go. Crank that to 17K RPM and a magical symphony of teddy bears, unicorns and rainbows will bleed from your ears.

yomny 10-21-2012 12:44 PM

I was just thinking of an Sr20det, seems small enough to fit withouth issue, then again i could be far from right. I also thought of the 20v 4AGE that were swapped into the original 86s. Is is really hard to just throw in an STI motor in? I would think the swap would be almost drop in?

Wes B. 11-03-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by yomny (Post 511030)
I was just thinking of an Sr20det, seems small enough to fit withouth issue, then again i could be far from right. I also thought of the 20v 4AGE that were swapped into the original 86s. Is is really hard to just throw in an STI motor in? I would think the swap would be almost drop in?

Yes! I totally forgot about the 4A-GE! I'm thinking it would be a fairly easy swap.

From my experience, STi motors are super finicky. I wouldn't be surprised if the swap was just a simple drop-in, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned into the swap from Hell.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 03:23 PM

Just gonna throw it out there: Cosworth YB.

tamsau 11-03-2012 03:23 PM

2jz or ls1.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tamsau (Post 536332)
2jz or ls1.

2JZ swaps have been said and done.

Will an LS1 even fit?

tamsau 11-03-2012 03:53 PM

2jz is what i personally want =), and the ls1 will with a little elbow grease.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tamsau (Post 536371)
2jz is what i personally want =), and the ls1 will with a little elbow grease.

There ya go!

http://www.bestofjdm.com/JDM-ENGINE-...jdmtoyota1.htm

Captain Insano 11-03-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tamsau (Post 536332)
2jz or ls1.

I like LS1 idea if it fits. That has been going into lots of cars as swaps and makes alot of easy, simple NA power.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Insano (Post 536484)
I like LS1 idea if it fits. That has been going into lots of cars as swaps and makes alot of easy, simple NA power.

Chevy small-block swaps have been done, and they are a little unimaginative. The more unique the engine swap, the better I think it is.

LS motors make a lot of N/A power because of their sheer size, but their power per liter is a tad unimpressive in my own opinion.

Captain Insano 11-03-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 536497)
Chevy small-block swaps have been done, and they are a little unimaginative. The more unique the engine swap, the better I think it is.

LS motors make a lot of N/A power because of their sheer size, but their power per liter is a tad unimpressive in my own opinion.

I agree, not very imaginative, lots of people doing it in lots of different cars now... But it's simple, easy, reliable power. I imagine this chassis with 350-400 NA hp and I think it would be pretty awesome.

Wes B. 11-03-2012 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Insano (Post 536850)
I agree, not very imaginative, lots of people doing it in lots of different cars now... But it's simple, easy, reliable power. I imagine this chassis with 350-400 NA hp and I think it would be pretty awesome.

True story...

Wes B. 11-14-2012 03:35 PM

Mugen MF408S -- 4.0l naturally aspirated V8 putting out 590 hp at 9,500 rpm and 383 ft/lbs of torque at 7,500 rpm. Oh, and the entire engine only weighs 289 lbs.

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/mugenv8.jpg

Wes B. 11-15-2012 03:50 PM

Here are a few more engines to add to the list.

1. Audi 4.2l V8 (32v) found in the Q7, A6, A8, S5, B7, and R8 -- 414hp at 7,800 rpm and 317 ft/lbs of torque at 5,500 rpm.
2. Audi 2.5l R5 (20v) found in the RS3 and TT RS -- 402hp at 5,400-6,500 rpm and 354 ft/lbs of torque at 1,600-5,300 rpm.
3. Suzuki 3.6l V6 (N36A) found in Nobuhiro 'Monster' Tajima's Suzuki XL7 "Pikes Peak" Special -- 1,007hp at 8,500 rpm and 752 ft/lbs of torque at 6,250 rpm.

Wes B. 11-21-2012 06:04 PM

Hmmm...how about this?

http://s1.aecdn.com/images/news/ford...se-51970-7.jpg

Wes B. 11-26-2012 11:48 PM

Cosworth YB, anyone?

http://www.jemsracing.co.uk/CLF156.engine.pdf

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...engine_bay.jpg

bestwheelbase 11-27-2012 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 431877)
Motus KMV4: 1.6l V4, 161 hp at 7,800 rpm, and 122 ft/lbs of torque at 4,500 rpm.

Lee and the guys at Motus are cooking up some seriously badass stuff down there in Birmingham. They're good people. :clap:

Wes B. 11-27-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bestwheelbase (Post 576429)
Lee and the guys at Motus are cooking up some seriously badass stuff down there in Birmingham. They're good people. :clap:

I've been talking with Lee on and off for the past few months about KMV4 crate engine details, and, to tell you the truth, I cannot wait for it to be released as a crate engine. I have a 1974 Ford Mustang that is yearning for a new powerplant to replace the sad and lackluster 2.3l.

JackSmiley 11-28-2012 12:10 AM

2UR-GSE in a GT86

http://youtu.be/oeq2PK-mMeQ

Wes B. 11-28-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 578535)
2UR-GSE in a GT86

http://youtu.be/oeq2PK-mMeQ

That combination would be virtually unbeatable, and I do think Toyota should release a special edition version of the GT86 with the 2UR-GSE powerplant.

Wes B. 11-28-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dsmx17 (Post 470390)
4g63. because racecar.

I honestly love this motor, and I think it would be a great swap candidate because it's on par with the Cosworth YB, they are a dime a dozen, and the tuning potential is near limitless! My favorite version of this engine was the 405hp variant found in the 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ400.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ulsmeq1aqB...Engine-bay.jpg

Wes B. 11-28-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanatos (Post 473231)
If money were not an issue any Formula 1 Engine would be the way to go. Crank that to 17K RPM and a magical symphony of teddy bears, unicorns and rainbows will bleed from your ears.

Yeah, because that would be street friendly...

I do like the idea of using an F1 motor though. Personally, I would detune the motor to around 500-600hp and have it redline at 8,000-9,000rpm.

JackSmiley 11-28-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 579329)
That combination would be virtually unbeatable, and I do think Toyota should release a special edition version of the GT86 with the 2UR-GSE powerplant.

For how much though? Im guessing that would be around the GTR price range. Well, as long as they slap in a SC with the version, i'll be happy to empty my pockets out.:D

JackSmiley 11-28-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 579358)
I honestly love this motor, and I think it would be a great swap candidate because it's on par with the Cosworth YB, they are a dime a dozen, and the tuning potential is near limitless! My favorite version of this engine was the 405hp variant found in the 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII FQ400.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ulsmeq1aqB...Engine-bay.jpg

If this car had this engine, i'd name the car "chop suey".:D

Wes B. 11-28-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 579856)
For how much though? Im guessing that would be around the GTR price range. Well, as long as they slap in a SC with the version, i'll be happy to empty my pockets out.:D

$55k. It'll have the performance to rival a lot of other super-cars on the market, and it should be super fun to drive.

JackSmiley 11-28-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 580037)
$55k. It'll have the performance to rival a lot of other super-cars on the market, and it should be super fun to drive.

$55k on top of the frs price huh? hmm...dang! i dont wanna lose my AC in the process.:(

Wes B. 11-28-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 580144)
$55k on top of the frs price huh? hmm...dang! i dont wanna lose my AC in the process.:(

No, $55k would be a reasonable MSRP if Toyota ever did produce a GT86 with the 2UR-GSE engine and manual transmission.

JackSmiley 11-28-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 580273)
No, $55k would be a reasonable MSRP if Toyota ever did produce a GT86 with the 2UR-GSE engine and manual transmission.

I dont think that it'll be the cheap. I mean how much is an IS-F? And considering that the gt86 is in demand toyota would bump-up the price, specially with a whole new powerplant. im pretty sure it'll be GTR pricetag and they'd release it as a lexus brand.

Wes B. 11-29-2012 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JackSmiley (Post 580365)
I dont think that it'll be the cheap. I mean how much is an IS-F? And considering that the gt86 is in demand toyota would bump-up the price, specially with a whole new powerplant. im pretty sure it'll be GTR pricetag and they'd release it as a lexus brand.

IS-F's are about $62k. So, you might be right: a GT86 with a 2UR-GSE might be priced to compete with the GT-R. I doubt Toyota will ever produce such a car, but we all can dream, right?

JackSmiley 11-29-2012 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wes B. (Post 580692)
IS-F's are about $62k. So, you might be right: a GT86 with a 2UR-GSE might be priced to compete with the GT-R. I doubt Toyota will ever produce such a car, but we all can dream, right?

Yeah, all we can do is dream. Unless i find a trashed IS-F and buy the engine and slap that in my FRS, then do some tweeking and tadah!! im living the dream.:D


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