Losing something completely useless to drop 25lbs and reduce cabin noise, all while no one being the wiser unless they are familiar with the 86 and know it should have rear seats. That’s ricer?

Combined with 175lbs of other weight reduction that no one not familiar with the 86 would have any idea was done besides 24lbs from bucket seats since that’s obvious. got me 200lbs of weight reduction with almost zero sacrifice besides money and my time, But losing rear seats only cost me about $50 and one weekend well worth it. Is that still ricer?

A 2900lbs car at 340 crank = 8.5lbs per hp
A 2700lbs car at 340 crank = 7.9lbs per hp

2900lbs divided by 7.9lbs per = 367 crank hp
So 200lbs weight reduction keeps my power to weight the same as
If instead I gained 27 hp.
Still ricer?

Point was miata’s storage space is adequate enough 99% of the time a brz would be. I aint moving or picking up a big screen Tv with a brz. I think and would hope most people have access to a more practical truck or suv when needing to haul stuff whether their own or someone they know. Most of the time the necessary cargo space is a random gym bag, school bag, groceries, hat sunglasses etc... in which a miata can do no problem.

So a brz really only gains rear seats which again are almost useless and most people I would hope have another option to not need to use the rear seats.

Yes. Becos race car

Not everyone here has the intention of making this car into a race car. If u are so anal about weight reduction, u should have started with the ND miata

I gotta say I've never once thought I needed more space with the twins. My now 11 year old boy grew up in one, had just enough space for childseats and it was perfect after he got a booster seat. I've carried TVs, ikea furniture, guitars, small coffee tables, some very large passengers...taken 4 average sized folks to vegas twice..it is a perfect only car. A Miata can be an only car if you can guarantee that you're gonna be pretty much by yourself all the time. Imagine having to pick up your 6'4 300 lbs uncle from the airport in your miata..(totally feasible in the twin). Miata works best if you got other cars.. Civic Si is cool if you don't care for RWD..

Like i said 200lbs with zero negative impact to daily driving, many actually adding comforts. Hardly race car. Just getting rid of useless things and changing one thing for a lighter thing. Only down side is money.


I wish, have a time machine? Although the 2019s weren’t out when i got my 2017.

It's 2021 now and it's doesn't sound like money is an issue for u. What's stopping u from getting the ND Miata now? :iono:

Because I got the ultimate gtr killer sleeper family sedan instead.
Infiniti AWD Q50
Kind of the exact opposite “sports car” compared to a brz/miata.

If it wasn’t for the kid’s I’d get a 400z once released.

Based on your posts, it's pretty clear you having a CX5, you never have to think about the options a fold-down back seat offers you. Not everyone has access to someone else's car to haul something (which happens more often than you expect) For someone with only 1 car, the BRZ will give OP a lot more flexibility.

"At least with a miata it isn't even an option..." So, you you're not a jerk to someone by saying you can't fit them in your 2 seater, yet it's okay to bother people every time you want to haul something around that any other car with a back seat can hold?

We may have to agree to disagree. But a lot of people here have said the BRZ/86 is fine for young kids, hauling things, and bringing people around in a pinch.

It was sit in my car or be the 7th and 8th person in a mini van. Hell I took out the passenger seat for a year or so and never ran into a time when someone would have needed it.

TIL that Miata is more practical because you don't have to explain to people that they can't ride in back because there are no back seats (weirdly this has never been an issue for me way back in 2019 when I used to go to lunch with co-workers...). Also learned that FT86 rear seat area is "useless", which I wish I would have known before I violated the law and used that space to transport race wheels/tires to the track a buncha times.

I love the Miata. It is objectively less practical. I do wish they'd make a fixed-roof coupe or hatch version. RF looks cool but is $$$$ and weight :(

Posts should be tailored to the OP,
1st car and likes the miata most
Doesn’t plan on carrying too much stuff.
Wants a fun car for turns.
His order of needs are fun>reliable>practical

Hasn’t posted since.

Based on his entire post I deduced and assume (but very well could be wrong)

He is younger with no kids and doesn’t plan on tracking the car or using it to haul things around.

Based on that the only real practical thing a brz can do that a miata can’t is the brz has back seats that would primarily be used for adults. Adults who I’m assuming have vehicles of their own and like everyone i know when i drive the 86 and not the cx5 refuse to get in the back and would rather we take their car instead.

I tried taking my wife and son 1 time years ago first and only time the rear was ever used. Eventually just removed them as i knew they’d never be used again.

Yes if you track the car you can use space for tires, tools, etc.. that the Miata can’t do, but I don’t think OP is tracking the car hence why using it for tires and tools wasn’t in the discussion.

99% of the time for general daily needs like groceries, duffel bag, laptop, backpack, hat, umbrella, random paperwork, that kind of stuff the miata is more than capable of. Unless OP responds and states otherwise, the miata will be practically just as practical as the brz for the OP. Maybe not for you or other individuals posting.

Miata can totally bring track goodies along with it.
https://www.miataforumz.com/attachme...ine=1313552438

You're talking cars that cost over $50k new...

the nd miata feels just as fun as the gt86 in assetto corsa.

just thought i'd throw in my .02 cents

2017 AWD Q50 premium w/ premium+ Package, nav system, splash guards, fully tinted, 36k miles, 1 owner, clean title, $24k dealer / $26k OTD, New MSRP sticker $48,500

You can get signature rwd for under $40k new all day.

Ok hang on, how is the BRZ not reliable. As long as you get a 2014+ there shouldn’t be any problems. I and think even the reliability issues with 2013’s are blown out of proportion. If the OP is referring to a 2nd gen, you would always run a small risk of first year issues with the new version of the FA24. Not enough to keep me away from it though.
But as a daily driver in New York, I would vote for the Civic Si. It’s practical, fun, reliable (aside from some blow by oil issues with the turbo engine), and should be ok in the winter. FWD is better than RWD in bad weather conditions for a new driver. IMO
The ND Miata wouldn’t even be a consideration, unless it’s a weekend car. Too small, no storage, and the RF hardtop option gets pricey.


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Wow. That's a lot of depreciation. Thanks for the reminder for never buying a new Infiniti

It’s not out of the normal range of depreciation. Just got to shop around and negotiate. 3-4yrs old with 35000-40000 miles half msrp sticker price is pretty normal.

Bought the 86 new and always regretted it. they get hit pretty hard with depreciation. Now that 17-18s are in the above range they are pretty solid buys used. Just not as solid as a 19 miata lol. Especially if you can wait another year.

but be sure to look up insurance rates. in '14, a brand new brz was about $1,000 cheaper per year for insurance than a '08 g37, despite the g37 being way cheaper.

Mine didn’t really change. Insurance is primarily based on value of the car, driving record, level of coverage, and avg cost to repair. Switching from a 17 86 to a 17 Q50 went up about 20$ a month or $240 a year. Roughly proportional to the value of the 86 vs Q50.

It's a bit odd, but Nissan/ Infiniti depreciation is a lot higher than Toyota & Honda cars, although you get the same japanese reliability. I've bought multiple Zs, Gs, and Qs over the years, and a 3yr old car is about 1/2 the price of new (In 2018, I bought a 2015 Q50s with 24k miles for $23k..)

Depending on how long you keep cars, that depreciation thing can be a boon or a bane. Since I buy slightly used cars and keep them until they wear out, depreciation is great for me since I get a good car for cheaper. I drive them 200k + miles and then dump them for $3000 and move on.

If I were buying a new car and keeping it 2-3 years, I'd be more interested in a Honda or Toyota that keeps pretty high resale value for the first few years.

I can buy a whole lot more car for $25k this way than I can new.... when I bought the Q, I was actually shopping for 2017-2018 Civics, WRZ, 86.. then saw this car on the lot while I was waiting on the sales guy to "find the keys" to the WRX. The torque of the VQ37 is WAY more fun around town than a sub-2L 4 banger, and it still handles pretty well around the turns when you put enough rubber under it. 275s on 19x10 under factory fenders? noooo problem.

I don't mind hauling my boss, coworkers, or clients to lunch or business meetings since the Q looks and sounds like an adult car.

Also, because I'm an old (40s) married man and we both have clean driving records, I pay less than $1200 a year for three street cars combined. So insuring an 86 for "$1000 less" than my Q just ain't gonna happen- at least not in my world. :)


All that said, if I had the choices of the above I would still pick the Si for a daily, BRZ or ND for a second car. If I was opening the choices up and had to do it over again? I'd still look at Infiniti- maybe spend more time looking for a 3.0tt instead of the 3.7 because they are so moddable. The 3.7 is no slouch, but the 3.0tt can make insane power with a few inexpensive mods.

Miata Is Always The Answer

Gonna say save some bucks and get a used BRZ/FT86

Hey guys, just following up after looking at the posts. After doing a bit more research, I decided I like the upcoming BRZ the most as the primary option for now. Mainly because of the mix of daily drivability, and fun. On top of that, If the upcoming BRZ is good as i think it will be, It will be better than the miata IMO. As for some of your questions, Im young and wont be carrying people 9/10 times. Im also slightly concerned if i get the 2022, the reliability will be an issue like the 2013s. Hopefully not considering its built off of the ascent platform without the turbo and is a revised version of the current model. Also after doing some research my modding preferences have changed a bit. I'm probably not going to do that many mods to the performace besides exhaust, tune, (maybe) headers, exhaust, and coilovers/ springs. Ill probably be doing some cosmetic mods such as wheels and aero etc. My specific location is NYC but I also commute to long island and will likely drive other places besides the city.

Just get what you like bro.

Have to disagree on them being useless. You can fit 4 race tires in the back. I’ve also had grown adults in the back. A baby seat in the back. My running stroller (Bobs fixed wheel) also fits easily in the trunk. I’m 6’2” and I’ve sat in the back before. Clearly it’s not an Audi A8L in the back but to say it isn’t more practical than an ND is borderline ignorant.

I’ve had forward and rear facing seats in mine. Rear facing was more of a pain but I had the docking type so I just dropped it right in. My little one is 3 now so he get in the seat on his own and then I reach around from the drivers seat to buckle him. I also have a 14 and 15 year old and one of them can sit in the back. I’m 6.2 so no one sits behind me. So it’s more like a 2+1.

My mom was a die hard sports coupe with manual transmission kind of mom so I grew up crammed in the back of small cars. I turned out just fine and have zero traumatic memories. Hahaha

you sound like a masochist.


You clearly aren't commenting in regards to the OP and his situation either. All of what you said has been discussed.

Wait... are you 6'2" ?

As a young guy who lived in NYC the last few years, I say YOLO get the ND Miata. I wasn't expecting much when I rented an ND1 on Turo, but the car really blew me away. Easily the most driver-oriented mass-market car available right now. The only problem is...I need the seat all the way back, my face is still in the windshield, and my knees are touching the wheel. I don't think a fixed bucket seat all the way to the floor would alleviate all the issues.

Are you really ever going to have passengers? I've almost never even had visitors to my apartment, I've never heard of anyone owning a car (aside from my boss who had an M3 just for fun), and I've never heard of anyone not taking cab/public transit everywhere. I bought my FR-S when I lived in SF for practicality and it was honestly a huge waste, I would just occasionally cram an extra roommate into the rear seat and give them a free ride somewhere nearby when it would've been cheaper if all of us just split an Uber (parking was crazy expensive, came out to >50 dollars every time I took the car out).

Recently, I bought a G35 coupe thinking it could be a dual use toy and practical car, and I think I made the same mistake again. A G35 with a manual transmission is still not a good toy, it's a mix of cruiser and practical hauler. I'm going to get rid of it for a 2 seater sports car and just rent a van when I need it.

You're buying this car as a toy. The ND is a fantastic toy. You can save money and get an ND1 and swap the cams and give it a tune so it performs close to an ND2.

Trying to decide between an ND Miata, upcoming BRZ, or Civic si
 

Do you even know the definition of masochist because noting I said in my post matches your accusation.

But yes I am commenting in regards to his post. He was saying he is afraid the ND wouldn’t be as practical as a Twin and your making it sound like the Twins have useless backseats which is just nonsense.

What are you critiquing my format for feet and inches? Did you notice my post just above? Dude get over yourself.

None of your examples relate to him.

No, just thought it was funny you stated your height in back to back posts.

Great post and points. In very specific rare situations that probably don’t apply to the OP it’s more practical. Otherwise that “practicality” is wasted and you made unnecessary compromises for no reason.

The ND is perfectly capable of doing the usual needs, groceries, daily luggage etc..

Have to agree, my 86 was very practical. I got surprising amounts of cargo in it, and even made use of the rear seats a couple times in a pinch. MX-5 couldn’t have done any of that. The lack of long item storage is the main reason I couldn’t justify an MX-5 RF in my one car garage. It would be fine 90% of the time, but I have to transport long sporting gear each week and there is just nowhere to put it in an MX-5. 86 with rear seats down ate it up with ease. My Z does it, just, but it is tighter due to the very shallow boot under the hatch.

Count me in the group that thinks the 86 is amazing space wise. I *am* 6'2" (maybe a little shorter now as I am 48), wife is 5'10" and my kids when they were younger fit fine in the back cross legged for easily an hour trip. Now that my older one has hit 5'10" its not as fun but still could be done in a pinch. More useful is I can comfortably carry both my daughters for a long trip with the front passenger seat moved forward. Plus a spare seat for food, books, whatever we need. With an ND or any true 2 seater, I'd need a second car - funny enough I have my 4runner now so I have the option to go with a 2 seater if I like, but would have never gone 2 seater before. YMMV but I love the extra 2 seats in the 86.

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The interior space/storage areas, rear seats and trunk space on the Twins really put it into another category compared with cars like the Miata and s2000. That allows the Twins to work as a second car for a lot of families (can take the family/kids if necessary) whereas a Miata or s2000 would have to be a 3rd car for a lot of families. Twins are like a lighter/smaller rx8 or E36m coupe in that way.

I went from M4 to ND Miata, then to a MY13 brz, then civic Type R. Ultimate came back to a 18 BRZ TS.

Honda is bringing back the Si hatch for the 2020 model year.

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