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RToyo86 01-29-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3179144)
I think they changed the mileage requirements one of the years but don't remember when. The 4500 may have been the original and the 7500 the new? To lazy to check it.
I agree people like to change oil way too early. It doesn't hurt anything but is an extra cost and has a greater environmental impact. My theory is people do it so often because it makes them feel like they have made a difference.

Toyota says 16,000km and Subaru is 10,000km if I'm not mistaken.

I plan to stick with 10k intervals. Especially considering the winter conditions the car sees along with extra idle time in the mornings.

TorontoNat 01-29-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3179158)
Funny, I go on the pick-n-pull website here regularly and check their inventory. Never once found any twin.

Not sure what that website is. I live near burlington and know of 3-4 scrap yards around... I usually just call them directly.

Tcoat 01-29-2019 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3179189)
Not sure what that website is. I live near burlington and know of 3-4 scrap yards around... I usually just call them directly.

I saw one on the top of the crush pile driving by a yard. Don't think anything on it was much good anymore though!

Tcoat 01-29-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3179185)
Toyota says 16,000km and Subaru is 10,000km if I'm not mistaken.

I plan to stick with 10k intervals. Especially considering the winter conditions the car sees along with extra idle time in the mornings.


Since warranty ran out I do mine at about 20,000K. Due to the nature of my all highway driving even at 20K it comes out looking like new. Not a hope I would do that long if I pushed it or did stop and go.

ermax 01-29-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MuseChaser (Post 3179092)
I would not recommend it as a parent. Too tempting to do very, VERY stupid things.

I agree with you. But.... if you could disconnect or remove the TC/VSC buttons without them being knowledgeable enough to work around it, it isn't a bad car at all. I know I would be dead if my first car was a Twin or any RWD with LSD for that matter. I was a total nutjob (well I still am) in a car when I was younger. A bunch of my racing friends got into sport bikes for a while and they all begged me to get one. I knew for sure I didn't have the self control to stay alive on a bike. I promised myself I would never buy a bike and I stand by that to this day. Hahaha. But I would really love to have a sport bike.

Sapphireho 01-29-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3179189)
Not sure what that website is. I live near burlington and know of 3-4 scrap yards around... I usually just call them directly.

With the value of land here in the bay area we don't have many large yards anymore, and the pick and pull swaps out cars pretty quick. They have a website where you can check their current inventory in their bay area locations.

TorontoNat 01-29-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3179194)
I saw one on the top of the crush pile driving by a yard. Don't think anything on it was much good anymore though!

haha, always a love hate relationship with finding a good part from a wrecked car... don't like seeing them like that but do like taking the parts lol.

Tcoat 01-29-2019 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3179203)
haha, always a love hate relationship with finding a good part from a wrecked car... don't like seeing them like that but do like taking the parts lol.

Between 1981 and 1984 I daily drove a 1958 Chev wagon
Between 2000 and 2003 I daily drove a 1958 Ford Custom 300 tudor.


I was the king of finding parts in the wreckers! It was surprising just how many of both were still sitting out in the back 40 of some of the local yards. Unfortunately it is a resource that is fast drying up as communities grow into the areas where yards were and they disappear forever.

Sapphireho 01-29-2019 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3179211)
Between 1981 and 1984 I daily drove a 1958 Chev wagon
Between 2000 and 2003 I daily drove a 1958 Ford Custom 300 tudor.


I was the king of finding parts in the wreckers! It was surprising just how many of both were still sitting out in the back 40 of some of the local yards. Unfortunately it is a resource that is fast drying up as communities grow into the areas where yards were and they disappear forever.

From 2000 to 2005 my DD was a 1970 Jeep J-3000 Gladiator. I was a regular at the pick n pull. I was amazed how quickly i found all the original parts to upgrade the manual steering and brakes to power. Since then a lot of the yards are now housing.

finch1750 01-29-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3179124)
I have the total opposite opinion on these as a first car. If kids are going to dumb things in a car they are going to do it in one of these or a more sedate practical vehicle. They might as well do it in something they have at least a chance of recovering from. I know as a kid I did some spectacularly dumb things in some extremely sedate and practical vehicles. In fact I would go as far to say the more sedate it was the dumber my actions would be.

The dumbest things I did in a car were in a Saturn SL1. The less I cared about the car, the dumber the risks I took.

Tcoat 01-29-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3179245)
The dumbest things I did in a car were in a Saturn SL1. The less I cared about the car, the dumber the risks I took.

EXACTLY!

Th3rdSun 01-29-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3179185)
Toyota says 16,000km and Subaru is 10,000km if I'm not mistaken.

I plan to stick with 10k intervals. Especially considering the winter conditions the car sees along with extra idle time in the mornings.


Still not necessary. Oil required for the Twins is super thin and synthetic,so it's made to last longer than your common 10w30.If you split the difference,at 13000km,which is just over 8k miles,I'm 99.999% sure it's safe to go 7500 without a change.I'm also pretty sure the engineers wouldn't recommend going that long without changing unless they were absolutely sure as well,which would be backed up by extensive testing.

Again,just check it to see. 4k mile after a change and it will still look pretty clean.I've noticed that it doesn't even start to get "dark" until after around 6k+ mile,and even then,it's just a little darker and not necessarily dirty looking.

Bought my car in 2015 and have only changed my oil three times,soon to be my fourth. I love not having to change my oil so often anymore.

VoltsFRS2013 01-29-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 3179129)
The owners manual says every 7500 miles. Unless you are on the track frequently or do some really hard driving on a daily basis,changing the oil that often is a total waste of money.

In fact,if you check the oil at 4500 miles,it will more than likely have the same golden color as if it were fresh,maybe slightly darker,but nothing to worry about.

Still don't understand why people are so paranoid about this.

My oil cost (roughly) $30 for 6 quarts at Walmart. hitting 4500-5k takes me a few months regardless and my OEM Subie Black filter is $7 on amazon.

not a big deal to me, not really a waste in my eyes to consistently have clean oil in my car.

soundman98 01-29-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3179158)
Funny, I go on the pick-n-pull website here regularly and check their inventory. Never once found any twin.

my local pick-n-pull's never have stocked anything newer then 2008. there was an '08 mustang once. it was so stripped down, parts of the unibody were missing...

TorontoNat 01-29-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3179199)
I agree with you. But.... if you could disconnect or remove the TC/VSC buttons without them being knowledgeable enough to work around it, it isn't a bad car at all. I know I would be dead if my first car was a Twin or any RWD with LSD for that matter. I was a total nutjob (well I still am) in a car when I was younger. A bunch of my racing friends got into sport bikes for a while and they all begged me to get one. I knew for sure I didn't have the self control to stay alive on a bike. I promised myself I would never buy a bike and I stand by that to this day. Hahaha. But I would really love to have a sport bike.

you mean removing like removing the ability to turn them off? that makes me :brokenheart: I say kids wanna drift... take em to the track and let them go ahead... once they (probably) violently spin out the first couple of times they will understand the implications of doing this on public roads.

Yardjass 01-29-2019 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TorontoNat (Post 3179497)
you mean removing like removing the ability to turn them off? that makes me :brokenheart: I say kids wanna drift... take em to the track and let them go ahead... once they (probably) violently spin out the first couple of times they will understand the implications of doing this on public roads.


This. That's also why I support it as a car choice for teenagers.


1. If you're going to own a lot of RWD cars later on in life, you might as well learn on one, and learn how to properly control it.


2. Decent on gas, not so overpowered that it is easy to lose control, reliable and very simplistic so things are unlikely to break very often. In other words, safe and practical.


Really the only downside is insurance is probably outrageous because of all the dummies that crash them.

Tcoat 01-29-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3179472)
my local pick-n-pull's never have stocked anything newer then 2008. there was an '08 mustang once. it was so stripped down, parts of the unibody were missing...

It wasn't stripped down that was how it arrived!

humfrz 01-29-2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3179245)
The dumbest things I did in a car were in a Saturn SL1. The less I cared about the car, the dumber the risks I took.

Yep, I had a Saturn SL. I loved that car because no matter what I backed into, it wouldn't dent - :happyanim:

While I have you on the line there @finch1750 , do you know of a place to eat up in Loche, called Al the Wop's? Have you eaten there?

When I was roaming around the delta, back in the day, I always made it a point to stop in there and have a steak and peanut butter on toast.


Have I asked you this before ?? Seriously ??


:confused0068:


humfrz

humfrz 01-29-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3179211)
I was the king of finding parts in the wreckers! It was surprising just how many of both were still sitting out in the back 40 of some of the local yards. Unfortunately it is a resource that is fast drying up as communities grow into the areas where yards were and they disappear forever.

Yep, when I was a kid back in Ohio, I would spend hours roaming around old country junk yards - just to look at the old cars - :)

Anyone else do that - or was I just weird?


humfrz

Spuds 01-29-2019 09:28 PM

I'm in the 'a kids going to behave better in a car they care more about' camp, in case anyone is keeping score.

Spuds 01-29-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179542)
Yep, when I was a kid back in Ohio, I would spend hours roaming around old country junk yards - just to look at the old cars - :)

Anyone else do that - or was I just weird?


humfrz

I wanted to, but I wasn't allowed to. Welcome to the 90s.

Sapphireho 01-29-2019 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179542)
Yep, when I was a kid back in Ohio, I would spend hours roaming around old country junk yards - just to look at the old cars - :)

Anyone else do that - or was I just weird?


humfrz

All the time.

humfrz 01-29-2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3179546)
I wanted to, but I wasn't allowed to. Welcome to the 90s.

That's a shame you missed that childhood experience.

I was fortunate to have several old time junk yards within the range of my Cushman motor scooter. I got to know the old coots who "managed" them. I would ask them if I could go roam around in their junk yard in trade for me doing some chores that they needed help with, like cleaning out a chicken/hog house or moving some hay.

When I was 14, I got my first car. Then the junkyards became my main source of parts (like @Tcoat mentioned). Now, to pay for the parts, I would have to work quite a bit longer. Sometimes, all I had to do was pull up and have a seat on a bucket,under a shade tree and listen to several "back-in-the-day" stories.

Now, I'm too damn lazy to change my own oil - :sigh:


humfrz

Stephen W. 01-29-2019 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179542)
Yep, when I was a kid back in Ohio, I would spend hours roaming around old country junk yards - just to look at the old cars - :)

Anyone else do that - or was I just weird?


humfrz


At the rate my father and brother's were dragging home old cars my mother thought our place WAS a "country junk yard".
At one point there were both a 1935 and a 1936 La Salle sedan parts cars at the very back of the lot. There was a 1953 Jowett Javelin parts car, a 1956 Pontiac 2 door hard top (with front end damage) hot rod project behind the rear garage and a 1931 Durant four door sedan parts car on the east side of the rear garage. A 1939 La Salle two door businessman's coupe restoration project sat behind our house as did my oldest brother's 1954 Jowett Javelin and my other brother's 1947 Austin A-40. (A perfectly good running car he drove home and then ripped the running gear out of to put into his 1947 MG TC that had been butchered.) Dad's 1960 Buick Invicta four door hard top sat in front of west garage door. His 1965 Corvair Corsa 180 Turbo was always packed between the houses.
The two stage garage consisted of a large 1 1/2 storey over sized two car front with a five car storage addition behind it. The front garage was home to the 1934 La Salle convertible coupe, a Hall Scott four cylinder engine out of a post WW1 JN4 Jenny biplane, a 193? Scott Flying Squirrel 500cc twin cylinder, liquid cooled two-stroke motorcycle and a 1936 Cord 810 Westchester sedan. In the back was a 1931 Cadillac V16 7 passenger town sedan, a 1932 Frontenac four door sedan, 1938 Cadillac 60 Special sedan, a 1939 La Salle four door sedan and my oldest brother's 1965 Corvette coupe.


Yes, looking in junk yards was a thing!
Motor City Auto Parts, (later renamed Dom's) was just a 15 minute drive from my parent's house.


https://www.domsauto.com/images/phot...e_history2.jpg

omadab 01-29-2019 11:25 PM

UPDATE:
Thank you again to everyone but the final verdict is that my parents are willing to give me 2000$ as a down payment, as long as I get a Subaru. They really don't feel comfortable with an FRS even though literally everyone is saying that FRS/BRZ are the same exact cars.
TY again everyone! I feel so welcomed from the ft86 community already haha :p

Edit:
Lots of people are asking about a bit about me so here it goes:

I (M 20) am a uni student. I currently have a Mazda 3 2014 GS auto, but my family needs another car and I said why not give this amazing car to my sister and get myself an even cooler one :)
My mom also specifically wanted a "cool" looking car since we have had boring cars all for the most of our life. IMO the FRS/BRZ/86 is the best bang for buck "least boring" car I could find, so that's why we want it
Hope that clears things up. Feel free to ask if y'all have any more questions :)

Sapphireho 01-29-2019 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179583)
UPDATE:
Thank you again to everyone but the final verdict is that my parents are willing to give me 2000$ as a down payment, as long as I get a Subaru. They really don't feel comfortable with an FRS even though literally everyone is saying that FRS/BRZ are the same exact cars.
TY again everyone! I feel so welcomed from the ft86 community already haha :p


Wait, thought you had cash? Sounds like your parents are buying you a car, so yes, get what they want you to get.

omadab 01-29-2019 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3178780)
You want me to do up a PPT?

idk what a ppt is XD

omadab 01-29-2019 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3179588)
Wait, thought you had cash? Sounds like your parents are buying you a car, so yes, get what they want you to get.

My parents are giving me 2000$ to help me out but the other 150000$ is gonna be me XD

edit: 15 000$ not 150 000$

humfrz 01-29-2019 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen W. (Post 3179574)
At the rate my father and brother's were dragging home old cars my mother thought our place WAS a "country junk yard".

WOW! You were lucky, all you had to do was walk out the door to have fun - :happyanim:


humfrz

Sapphireho 01-29-2019 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179591)
My parents are giving me 2000$ to help me out but the other 150000$ is gonna be me XD

With 152k I might consider a Ferrari, or a down payment on a house.

So a subaru, get the BRZ then.

omadab 01-29-2019 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3179595)
With 152k I might consider a Ferrari, or a down payment on a house.

So a subaru, get the BRZ then.

HAHA good one. I wish I had that money LOL

also mb for typo

ermax 01-29-2019 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179583)
UPDATE:
Thank you again to everyone but the final verdict is that my parents are willing to give me 2000$ as a down payment, as long as I get a Subaru. They really don't feel comfortable with an FRS even though literally everyone is saying that FRS/BRZ are the same exact cars.
TY again everyone! I feel so welcomed from the ft86 community already haha :p

Edit:
Lots of people are asking about a bit about me so here it goes:

I (M 20) am a uni student. I currently have a Mazda 3 2014 GS auto, but my family needs another car and I said why not give this amazing car to my sister and get myself an even cooler one :)
My mom also specifically wanted a "cool" looking car since we have had boring cars all for the most of our life. IMO the FRS/BRZ/86 is the best bang for buck "least boring" car I could find, so that's why we want it
Hope that clears things up. Feel free to ask if y'all have any more questions :)



Just wait until you test drive. Boring will never cross your mind.

humfrz 01-29-2019 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179583)
UPDATE:
Thank you again to everyone but the final verdict is that my parents are willing to give me 2000$ as a down payment, as long as I get a Subaru. They really don't feel comfortable with an FRS even though literally everyone is saying that FRS/BRZ are the same exact cars.
TY again everyone! I feel so welcomed from the ft86 community already haha :p

Edit:
Lots of people are asking about a bit about me so here it goes:

I (M 20) am a uni student. I currently have a Mazda 3 2014 GS auto, but my family needs another car and I said why not give this amazing car to my sister and get myself an even cooler one :)
My mom also specifically wanted a "cool" looking car since we have had boring cars all for the most of our life. IMO the FRS/BRZ/86 is the best bang for buck "least boring" car I could find, so that's why we want it
Hope that clears things up. Feel free to ask if y'all have any more questions :)

Well, after you saying that, I would recommend you get a BRZ - :thumbsup:

Stay focused on your studies.


humfrz

humfrz 01-29-2019 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179590)
idk what a ppt is XD

I suspect he is referring to a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation (file format).


humfrz

omadab 01-29-2019 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179602)
I suspect he is referring to a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation (file format).


humfrz

i though that too. but idk if it was a joke or something related to the forum that i haven't learned about yet

edit: ye im a moron. i just got the joke haha

ermax 01-30-2019 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179602)
I suspect he is referring to a Microsoft PowerPoint presentation (file format).





humfrz


For some reason when I first read his post I read it as PPI as in a pre-purchase inspection. Funny how the brain makes assumptions based on context when not reading closely.

PPT Hahaha

humfrz 01-30-2019 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3179595)
With 152k I might consider a Ferrari, or a down payment on a house.

So a subaru, get the BRZ then.

Who do you think you're kidding - you would most likely blow it on something like this - :eyebulge:


humfrz

humfrz 01-30-2019 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by omadab (Post 3179605)
i though that too. but idk if it was a joke or something related to the forum that i haven't learned about yet

edit: ye im a moron. i just got the joke haha

You're alright there, omadab - :thumbsup:

Presentations over the years went like this:

winging it > chalk boards > transparencies > power point > laser light shows > holograms > winging it.

(I'm missing one - what is it?)


humfrz

humfrz 01-30-2019 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3179610)
For some reason when I first read his post I read it as PPI as in a pre-purchase inspection. Funny how the brain makes assumptions based on context when not reading closely.

PPT Hahaha

Yep, I live that every day - trying to figure out what my 2.5 year old granddaughter wants - :(


humfrz

Sapphireho 01-30-2019 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3179614)
Who do you think you're kidding - you would most likely blow it on something like this - :eyebulge:


humfrz

Reminds me of the only time I got to drive a real Cobra. Back in the 80's, when I was running autox, this guy had a 289 track only car. He let me do a run with it. What a monster. You really had to man handle that thing.

If I had to spend that kind of money on a car, I would probably get an R8.


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