To all those who think the GT86 would be easy to drive at the 'ring:

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/06/toy...s-painful.html

Never undestimate how much someone can noob it up ;)

Convertible? Any LS7 powered Vette is a "427" that's the C.I. of the motor. The Grand Sport is LS3 powered.

They also have a model specifically called the '427'

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-42...ports-car.html

No harm no foul :happy0180:

I thought the 86 was slow before it was cool. :p

I think it's funny how many excuses this forum gives the car. The car is SLOW. The handling is okay. This is a $25k coupe, what do you guys expect?

I suspect it has to do with age, or at least "maturity". One look at something like the Rocket Bunny catalog will show you the answer to that!

Tetsuya Tada said it himself that this car wasn't designed to go "fastest" from point a to b. The whole idea was to enjoy the thrill and pure fun of low-powered, incredibly balanced and affordable FR sports car!

IDK what do you expect?

You are right its a 25k coupe.

Is it slow? Compared to what, other cars in its price class?

Mustang/Genisis/Focus ST - yes, miata/civic - no

Its handling is ok? Wrong Its handling is excellent if not superb. Handles comparable to a miata and far superior to a Mustang/Genisis/Civic.

While the tires may sound like an excuse (because it is) the fact is the tires on the car suck and the second you change them the car benefits immensely. For some people (myself included) its not a factor because no matter what car they buy they are going to put custom wheels/tires on the thing regardless of what comes stock.

It really hurts that bad guys? Oh well.

A bread truck could be faster. Hang your heads in shame at owning such a POS car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC...=CLuNA***uBvtE

8:20 ring time
 

Google it. 2 videos.

Stocks brz except for federal tires and ss brakes

Who cares. VW's are garbage cars. Junk. FR-S is not a ring time car. It's a car that is fun, and was meant to be modified by it's owner, if needed.
:thumbsup:

What do you drive? Handling is superb, not okay. And it's quick, not fast, not slow. Go back to the video game in moms basement.

My 2002 (commonly considered the 'worst' era for VW products) Audi TT (read golf) has so far been the most reliable car I've owned. Never needed anything outside scheduled maintenance. Something tells me you haven't had any first-hand experience with German cars. I get it though it's cool to bash on them.

The BRZ is my first Japanese car and so far it hasn't impressed me with reliability. Stupid little things need replacing more often than any ofy German cars. Parts are much cheaper, but this is the first car that I've ever had to buy a coil pack for, or a door switch, or a front bumper seal strip, or a window seal, or lug nuts.

The fun factor makes up for this, but as a whole this car isn't any cheaper to own than any of the Audis, BMWs, or Benzes I've had. Sorry, just remembered, the Audi TT did need an unexpected repair once; a fuse for the auxiliary fan. That sucked, like ramen for an entire month.

This thread is old enough to be starting first grade!

I appraise cars for a living. And German cars rarely pass inspection, and their resale values are the worst. Yours is the exception. Next.

It's funny how people get mad when you point out the time is slow. "it's not about numbers" but that's not what they respond to posts about the numbers.

This horse is so dead it's nothing but hooves and teeth.

There are plenty of better track cars than the GT86/FRS/BRZ. I believe the new Civic SI has a better suspension setup and handles better around the track than the twins. It also has a lot more available torque. And it's $3k cheaper.

When these cars first came out, they were thought of as track monsters, but they are pretty average.

^ I hope people who can do actually something read these kinds of posts and realize it's time to bump the power and quiet the masses. When a front wheel drive Civic is faster and cheaper then it's time to change it up.

For people who don’t want to google. The car you are referencing ran an 8:20. Wouldn’t consider that slow at all.

Screw that, I'll take a RWD car with a 9 min ring time over a FWD one that does it in 8 minutes

Who cares about "ring" times, I don't, it's lots of stroking and circle jerks IMO.

I like a little RWD manual platform than can be trown around town.

And its cheap, and reliable, and some suspension and tyres makes it a super fun little beastie.

Fast is not a word I would ever use to describe a 86.

Fun cheap little car, yes.

I sold my modified 2015 STI for one, no regrets at all, I find it much more fun and engaging than the STI, even though it has half the power of the STI.

It is twice the fun of the STI though.

Opinions may vary.

Toyota/Subaru execs looking on - "yeah, we are good still...I think we can hold out for just a while longer...." :D

Same boat here, from Impreza GT MY00 > STI MY04 > EVO 9 > MY18 BRZ that is by far the most rewarding car of the above, who cares if it hasn't 300ps if you interested for high power plenty of them out there, but how many "driver's" cars like the BRZ/GT86 out there in this price tag?

I gladly gave up some power and a quicker lap time to have a good looking car.

The little 2 door looks the goods, I could never own a civic or a golf, to me their looks are uninspiring.

I love walking up to my 86, it just looks right IMO.

As for more power, how much more are you willing to pay above the current RRP for this added power, $5k, $10k, $20k

That would put it in, or close to WRX and STI money, Subaru ain't going to do that.

That leaves Toyota, want more power you say, Toyota says "here's the new Supra, what color sir".

The 86 is priced right for the kids, and people like myself, old farts who like sporty little cars, but have to compromise due to family commitments, hell, I wish I could afford a Porka GT3 RS, but I cannot, so I compromise.

Me, if I require more power, there are tons of aftermarket options, which I guarantee will give better results than anything OEM could do for the money.

Hell, how much more do they charge for limited/special/TS editions, that give no real power advantages and compromised suspension upgrades.

In saying that I grabbed a 2017 limited (Solar Orange), it cost $4k more than the normal GTS, I was happy to pay more for the color (I've never seen another one on the street) and the little Brembo's, but, the PP rims were swapped out for RPF-1, the tyres were swapped for RS4's and the Sachs suspension was swapped out for MCA gear.

These simple mods have greatly improved performance, and I mean night and day improvement.

Everything but the paint could have been done to a regular GT/GTS, and it would have cost me less, well maybe not adding in the Brembo's, but now the car is suited to my driving requirements, not the requirements of the Toyota/Subaru engineers who design a "one size fits all" car.

If I want more power, I've been quoted $12k drive in drive out for a "quality" 300hp turbo upgrade, add another $6-8k for built bottom end and supporting mods for more power.

So, in closing this epic rant, you could have built a new GTS with a reliable 300hp atw and a hand picked handling package for less than $16k above sticker, how much more would a similar package cost from Toyota or Subaru, how much more power would you be happy with, and would it even be 300hp and tailored to your requirements?

You could even do it well cheaper than $16k if you have the time and inclination to do alot of the work yourself.

T;DR, install good suspension, tyres, exhaust and tune for a easy and cheap bump in handling and HP, or buy a Porka

All the prices are in AU, we have a special "because Austraia tax" which makes everything IRT car parts cost more.

I'm going back to working out if getting a header, and which design, is a viable and good bang for buck option before getting my ECUTEK tune, at this stage, from looking at it over the last few months, it isn't looking that good dollar to gain wise.

But the death was too slow, it should have been oil and gas by now.

And Fulvio still has room for improvement. I get similar laptimes and I think the car could go close to 8:00 with stock engine/drivetrain. Not bad for a "slow" car.

Horst Von Saurma did an 8:44 with RE050A tires(everything else stock). Full lap. That would be around 8:1X BTG.

Definitely not bad at all... I think it's the stability and handling of the car that allows it to keep it's momentum.

On the other hand... I think the best bang for bucks goes to the Civic Type R.
That is a beast of a car and it's not even that expensive...
Time was like.. 7:45 for MSRP $43k CAN brand new.