sweeeeeeet

many times actually.... The US got better equipped versions of both the Supra and 300zx than japan. The current crop of japanese cars in the US are definitely equally as good as their JDM counterparts.... It's mostly the european cars that are stupid when they're brought to the United States. Ford of all companies does a terrible job translating their euro models to the US. Look at the focus.... yeesh.

All we can do is speculate until we have some hard info to really help us decide on which version we want. Who knows? Toyota may surprise us and give us a truly fun car regardless of how it's badged.

I, for one, don't care whether its Scion or Toyota. I personally hate haggling and any lack of performance options at the dealership will most likely be made up for by the aftermarket. I'm already saving up for the car, regardless. Personally, I would love to boost it with a rotrex unit.

wow, i'm shocked... are they going to change it to FF now too?

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IDK bout 300zx, but Supra? Really? Did I read it correctly? Supra? Which Supra? I know for sure you aren't talking bout MkIV. Cuz US MkIV Supra never came w VVT-i while Japanese ver did. There are several more better features did JP ver did came, but I'll let Supra owner judge on that

That's because of the price. Those companies don't do direct conversion from Yen to USD, but to keep it lower when they bring those cars to the states. You should NOT expect CHEAP cars to have same feature as the expensive ones.

Sorry Dark, you lost me here...

These dudes are retarded. They think Scion is made for 12yr olds, when the freaking mean demographic that buys them is mid 30's.

Dumb down, no options version....wow, really. Tells me these cats have no idea what Scion offers.

Who gives a crap about factory options anyway, it's called Aftermarket. Aftermarket = 3 Billion Times better than any factory option.

Hard to tell from that vid, but looks like the Scion version will be red.

Bring it on -- who cares if it gets a Scion badge here? It's the same car either way.

Sorry dude, I didn't mean to say to you, but to the other guy. USDM version is more like a step down from the original JDM and EUDM because of the price differences. Cars sell in the US is cheaper than the direct conversion from Yen to US Dollar, so the features the US got is kinda lower than Japan and Europe got. That's what I mean.

^ true, but Aftermarket usually means voided warranty. Not that some people care, like you :) But I don't have the means to have a brand new car and no warranty. My 1995 civic has a warranty for crying out loud lol

No it don't. That's the dealership trying to screw you over. In the "law" it can't be voided unless proven it caused the issue. However, the dealer tries to blame any and everything on something totally unrelated that you done.

Aside from that, I hate the dearlership techs touching my car. This translates to....I can care less about warranty. Cars today are built to last 100k+ miles. So, I enjoy my car now and doing stuff to it now rather than waiting 5yrs till my warranty runs out.


I find it funny how Scion had factory option Superchargers for the tC which by many standards isn't a car some think to put money into making fast. Yet noobs pretend Scion doesn't have any normal factory options being offered for their cars....wow.

Very unfortunate... I hate Scion....really

Ok if we want to start calling people retarded we can say anyone who wants a Scion branded Hachiroku successor over a Toyota is retarded. I get you put a lot of money into your tC. I get that. I'm sure you think it is really cool and what not, but at the end of the day I don't want to be in a Scion if Toyota won't bring it over as a Toyota. Compare factory installed options of a Scion vs. a Toyota/Honda/VW/Subaru.

I can tell you what Scion offers and it aint all that great. That is what I can tell you.

No point in arguing what's done is done..

At this point however it is safe to assume that the first year models are going to be the funnest, before scion begins to make "alterations" due to the high number of accidents. I guess this isnt going to help insurance rates either, one of the highest rates currently for any car is on the tC, I doubt that this car will make them better.

I'm worried less about the options that the factory can install than I am about how easy it is to take off the crap I don't need

I think I just facepalmed so fucking hard I might have scarred my future grandson.



:word: Don't think I have anything else left to say.

not exactly unexpected news. maybe we will be able to rebadge one day :thumbsup:

and make it Lexus FT 200, right?

Rebadge is such a ricer thing to do. Like put a GTR badge on your Civic Si or a BMW M badge on your GTI. Please no rebadging. Please. Just bring it as a Toyota like it should be. Scion already has their stripped down version/uninspiring cars for the masses. This car is not meant for the masses.

Could be a baby FT with two seats, don't pass judgments everyone till you seen it and know it. It might not be as bad as we enthusiast think, heck hate it much? ripp the scion badge out and put on a Toyota. And Also it's not a ricer thing to do it's what more of what a purist do because the definition of being purist is to keep the car as close to it's Japanese counter part as possible.

Scion> Toyota ok

GTR>Scion Not ok


btw... it's RED O___O

Damn. It definitely does suck that its going to be badged as a scion in the US. But honestly as long as it still looks as sharp as it does, and is hopefully powered by a turbo boxer, I dont care. I can rip the badges off and slap some toyota ones on there if I need to.

Gross.

Ichi. Lets write letters to Toyota JP.

LOL

Well then hopefully they will just be smart and release a Toyota model with better everything lol.

I don't think it will be dumbed down, it will cost a lot of extra money to make it too much different than the JDM/Euro Toyota badged one. I suspect the only thing affected will be the packaging and options of the car, and as far as I know, the TC was offered with a supercharger, and if they can offer that as an option on the TC, think of what they can do with this.

As long as they keep to the 200hp/2700 pound RWD 6speed formula, I'm good.

Used S2k here I come!

There isn't anyone on here that want's a Scion branded Hachi over a Toyota. There are only people who want a Toyota over a Scion, and the others can care less what badge is on it.

This isn't about my tC, I asked a question, has nothing to do with what I did with my own car.

I don't need to compare the factory installed options, I own a Scion remember, I know what it comes with. You made a comment, and imo...perhaps you should compare the standard and factory options offered for cars that are in the same pricing structure as a Scion model.

Since you can't answer my question, I can only assume one of two things. A) You don't know what you are talking about, or B) You are trying to compare to cars that are above the Scion pricing structure and making it as if the Scion has poor factory options.

No, no, no. Your example isn't called "Rebadging", that's called "been stupid". Nothing ricer bout rebadging and putting proper emblem on the car. If this come out in Toyota in Japan & Scion in US. It the same thing. Toyota did same thing w SC & GS series. If you see stock looking Lexus GS series that had a Toyota Aristo in US just emblem is changed, you would call that "ricer"? If you are, then I have nothing to say.

You can always take off all of emblems off... or just buy Subie ver

actually the JDM ver of the 300zx came TT in the 2+2 and had a longer production run then it did in the US. Also our prices are way off base for most cars. same goes for hp numbers

Because those that know that history of the Hachi know it should be a Toyota.


It is as much as you have a conflict of interest. You own a Scion and think it is a great car. That is great. But not everyone agrees with you on that. I sure don't

Actually when my wife and I looked at cars we did. That is why we currently don't have a Scion in the family. Scion is an under performing division. Hopefully Toyota kills it off sooner rather than later. That is why I want the 86 as a Toyota for the eventual death of Scion.

aaaand im out. no scion for me. to me scion means cheap, low rent interior with lots of hard plastics for low 20k. i may drive well, but just the fact that its a scion means it will be held back to it full potention because of price constraints. oh well...on to the subie version.

austinguy83 comments has been busted. :bellyroll:

There you go, you're looking at positive side. LOL

Look, I hate the Scion brand as much as the next guy, but that's only because I don't like any of their cars, and most of the people I meet that drive Scion Tcs are douchebags and bitches, but thats's just an observation.

If this comes out with all the right things, I really don't care what they call it. Here's an example.

Let's say this was 1999, and honda was going to bring out the S2000. In JDM land, it would be called, S2000, in USDM land, they decided to make it an acura and call it, oh IDK, the Acura XXSTIGSXR. Would you think worse of the S2000? How about if they decided to let suzuki bring it over for some reason, and Suzuki calls it the Aveo Plus? Any difference? I didn't think so.

If the car comes out, and it is awesome, a little bit of packaging and option difference is not going to put me off. Also, I read somewhere that Scion dealers are some of the best in the country, but what do I know....

So once again, I say, calm the fuck down people, wait for it to come out, if it's awesome, line up to buy it, after me, and if they call it the Scion stinkbugger, debadge it, or rebadge it and call it the JDM name, or Euro name, or just call it bob. Who cares, I'm a driving/car enthusiast, not a name enthusiast.

Did you expect premium leather seats and soft touch everything at this weight and pricepoint? I don't think so....

Screw this car, they just lost a bunch of sales. Let's all write letters to Toyota, who has a marketing department that isn't worth shit.

We don't have to though. We have a better alternative car, and it's a Subaru.

Im raging right now, so DAMN HARD.

BUT.

BUT.

I will give Scion ONE chance - the interior. If the interior is good, nice quality, then fine i will continue my pursuit. HOWEVER, i swear to God if this things interior is cheap like the rest of the lineup, no sorry im gunna wait for the new IS and upgrade after college i dont have the time nor the resources to gut and redo the interior myself.

We dont need premium BMW/Lexus/Mercedes quality leather seats, the Genesis coupe has decent leather anything on that level at minimum is acceptable, but chances of a nice interior feel like they were shot down.

I called this one. No matter though, Ive always been into the Subaru counterpart, just looks like there is going to be a lot more subie newbies logging on in the next year.

And? You are not the masses, there are just as many people who don't care what it's badged bro.



[QUOTE=tranzformer;3362It is as much as you have a conflict of interest. You own a Scion and think it is a great car. That is great. But not everyone agrees with you on that. I sure don't[/quote]

How does asking you to clarify your statement, have anything to do with my car? The only thing Factory optioned on my tC is the LSD (and I didn't buy it from factory, I bought it years after I've owned the car and took out the trans and shipped it off for PTuning to drop my LSD in it).



Exactly the opposite for me. I compared what we would be getting out of a Base RSX and compared to what I got out of the tC. The tC was WAY more car for the price. So rode home with the tC.