Of course it's all conjecture and of course speed caused the accident. Don't be dumb. This thread is about discussing whether it's possible that stance caused the accident when at speeds like that, a normal car would have been fine. Could something have been in the road? Yup. Could he have been messing around with the radio or getting a hummer from his girl? Sure.

I think it's more likely that his lowered car with retarded wheels bottomed out and a cheap or poorly installed suspension setup failed though. That road is not perfectly flat either- it's not a terrible road but it is a public road.

True. But as we have seen, stanced cars are fine at the speed limit. As long as there are no abrupt movements, like acceleration, cornering, or dodging, the car should maintain itself.

"Chasing speed with patience"

When a Golf R ISN'T stancetarded out, it lives at much higher than 120mph all day long on the autobahn, so either the driver made a gross error, or his pouly engineered build failed.
Street racing was not a factor on a completely dry, flat, straight road. Pour driving skill and/or a poulry engineered build were.

Or braking or maneuvering or just about anything else that needs to be done AT THE SPEED LIMIT on the road where there are other cars!

You dont have other cars making u-turns on the autobahn.

There's a reason why streets have a low speed limit, so drivers can stop in time for pedestrians, parking cars, cars doing u-turns, cars leaving a driveway, etc.

At 120MPH, could a normal unmodified Golf R stop fast enough to avoid an unexpected obstacle?

It was a divided highway. There were no u-turns going on. No pedestrians or parked cars either.
An "unstanced" Golf R carries a much more reasonable expectation of stopping for an obstacle at a 120mph, using all of its contact patches than a "stanced" one which isn't. Simple physics for that one.

Ok better analogy:
"Stancing" your car is like:

Making it unsafe for use on the streets because you have "handicapped", "impaired", or "hindered" the suspension from doing the job intended by the engineers.

Or does:
Lowering the car so that the suspension has little or no travel
Tilting the wheels so that they have little to no contact patch (or WORSE riding on the sidewall)

Make the car = MORE SAFE?

NO it clearly makes it less safe INTENTIONALLY!

So - intentionally making your car less safe, and potentially unstable, then driving it on the street is an accident waiting to happen.
(go ahead ANYONE try to argue that point).
So by making your car intentionally unstable then driving it in such a manner as to crash on the street - what is the cause???
MAKING THE CAR UNSTABLE!

It's like a pilot saying "I am going to land with my eyes closed" and then landing too hard and blowing a tire and spinning off the runway - THEN BLAMING THE TIRE!
You were a stupid motherfucker for trying that shit in the first place.

Or If I want to skateboard down a hill with a blindfold, then crash and blame
"speed" for the crash. - NO - you hindered your ability BEFORE trying dont blame the activity for your stupidity.

Well said ....... :thumbsup:


humfrz

In this case it was lethal x 5.

I'm not sure who you think you're speaking to, but if by stupidity you mean stance, then yes, probably, but as you can see, I'm anti-stance.

*raises hand*
Ok, let me try.
This thread seem to be, for the most part, an either/or, black/white argument -> "Stance equals less safe therefore dangerous."

I am suggesting shades of gray.
Stanced car driven at 40 km/h by mature driver. He treats stance as an art form. Safer than Golf R driven by hooligan at speed on busy road.

Economy tyres (tyres with low rolling resistance) are less safe than sticky performance tyres. Therefore everyone should buy performance tyres because wearing sticky rubber reduces braking distance.

Fitting a BRZ/86/FRS with a turbo makes the car less safe because it is faster.

I am suggesting in the crash from the op it was not the fact that car was stanced that caused the crash. It was the fact that the driver was driving in a manner unsuitable for the conditions (which includes the car he was driving).

"Stancing" your car makes it LESS safe and less stable at any speed.
That is a fact.

EVERYTHING else on this thread is speculation.

The only place it's safe to drive 40km/h, is in a 40km/h zone, and an, "unstanced" Golf R is safer at 40km/h than a, "stanced" one, at any speed.
Trailer your art project to the art shows and keep it off the streets.