I cleaned some things up.

Try not cussing, bitches.

The irony :bellyroll:

These should be 8 pot front and 6 pot rear, respectively.

With a pair of 18x8.5 38 offset work meister s1 3pc wheels and the endless front and rear brake setup, you would be the hog with the big nuts ;)

12 pots or GTFO. ;)

I hope everyone understands that more pistons does not equal better.

Since I already mentioned caliper stiffness here, a 4-pot is pretty much always going to be stiffer than a 6 or more piston caliper.

The main benefit for going to more pistons is to have a longer and larger pad, which might last longer, without uneven wear. Anything more than 6 is pretty silly IMO.

until you get into silly aero and alms rubber, you won't need more pad than a 4 pot could handle anyway.

Exactly. When you're Jackie f***in' Ickx driving this car in spec racing,you can look at brakes like these. Until then, the most I would do is a 4pot front, 2pot rear setup through Wilwood, which would probably cost ~$2500. Otherwise, upgraded pads, rotors, fluid and lines will be more than enough.

yes , i think the caliper is good, the price is stupid...:barf:

Something like this, found on the Stillen site makes a lot of sense, I can get a Ferodo DS2500 pad for it too. :)


STILLEN is proud to announce the release of the AP RACING 4 Piston and 6 Piston Big Brake Kit for the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ.
The 4 Pisont front kit under part number AP3120 uses a 330x28mm two piece disc and you have the option of getting either crossed drilled and slotted or just Slotted. You also have 2 color options when it comes to the 4 piston caliper: Red, or Black will look really nice in the wheel well of any BRZ / FR-S.

RED
http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/u...ru-BRZ-red.jpg

BLACK
http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/u...-BRZ-black.jpg

If you’re looking for the next level of braking performance we also offer the AP6100 6 Piston kit.
The AP6100 kit uses the AP RACING 6 piston caliper with larger 355x32mm two piece discs. You also have the option of three different Caliper colors, and two rotor styles.
http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/u...subaru-BRZ.jpg
As you can see, we also offer the Slotted and Drilled, or just Slotted rotor options for the AP 6100 brake kit rotors.
http://blog.stillen.com/wp-content/u...BRZ-rotors.jpg
Both of these AP RACING kits bolt up to the factory locations and are designed to work well with the factory ABS systems and brake master cylinder. They also feature dust seals over each caliper piston to ensure reliability and high performance for as long as you own your vehicle.

Mmmm, AP Racing.... wanted these for my MR2 but a front kit was more than twice what a Wilwood kit cost, and I don't need them that badly.

Why all the hate? Anyone own an Endless setup before? AP? Alcon? If you like something and can afford it, great. While i don't think everyone with an fr-s needs a kit like these, they are useful for a machine that sees frequent track use.

If you don't think the quality is there, or your wallet/wife doesn't allow it, then move on. Endless doesn't care if you like them on the interwebs anyway. :)

i think 12k for BBK is ridiculous too, but this is endless' full blown racing model, and is priced similar to brembo's GT-R series. the brembo GT-Rs are 8000 just for the front, and another 8000 for the rears. so for 16k, the brembos for all four wheels are 4k more than the endless racing setup.

both brembo and endless have more regular for street use BBKs at more reasonable (but still expensive) prices. these endless racing and brembo GT-R kits are for full blown race cars with ridiculous budgets.

Screw endless even their name is ridiculous!! Endless? So its endless braking thats scary lol when will it end!! What a dumb name for a brake manufacturer. Id stick with AP or Stoptech!!

Absolutely correct. I was just about to post this.

This is the full blown huge budget motorsport race team kit. You can get a street/HPDE kit for MUCH LESS (although still very pricey)

I almost feel like this and the Brembo race caliper is the same. They look almost identical.

Yeah, but with the whole "limited to 86 sets only" thing it seems to be marketed more toward show cars and jdm fan bois than actual racing.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/ima...s/facepalm.gif
um no. can you read japanese? the lower price is the only thing that's limited to the first 86 sets. all remaining sets after that will be the full $12k price.

This is your opinion.. It is not a factual statement. :happy0180:
Just as it was my opinion when I stated Endless > TRD preceded with a <3 (heart) sign.. I'm sure the TRD kit that people are comparing this (price) too is also a fantastic kit. And will far exceed what 99% of the owners need.

In other words.. it is all different opinion. I have quite a bit of track time with Endless, Project Mu, AP, Brembo, Stoptech, Performance Friction, etc.. I just prefer Endless. I have had good experience with most of them fwiw. It is my profession to be on circuit. I'm not pulling this out of my ass or by watching races on tv. :) for example - today I was playing with 400mm carbon brakes on a MP4-12C.

Endless, Brembo, Alcon, AP, etc., etc... all make quality products. Again, most drivers/owners never even need that level of braking performance to begin with. But, people are going to buy what they want and can afford for their car.

Take care.

How about 'They have had more success at higher level motorsports than Endless.'?

Re-read my post above. I edit to add more to the conversation.

What are you using to source who wins what? What do you consider "high level motorsports"?

Do you really believe that brakes were the only winning factor for your references? I guess that the driver, team and every other part on the car had no relevance, right?

Give me a link to some stats on AP winning more "high level motorsports" than Endless. Follow that link up with Endless being overpriced heeps of junk.. Please.

Come on, man. It's your opinion plain and simple. :)
No, wait! Endless, Brembo and Alcon are shitty and 100% inferior to AP.. :lol:

Have a good one.

I'd like to add to that equation: bling brakes+blind fanboi+blind hater=crap discussion

If you have positive experiences with the brake brand in question on the street and on the track, and as a result are a fanboi, that's awesome and your opinion counts in this thread. If you have bad experiences with the same brand on the street and track, and as a result you're a hater, your opinion counts as well. But if you are hating on a brand with a racing pedigree when you yourself have no experience with said brand, you are just as bad as the blind fanboi, and cluttering the thread with trash. If you hate on one brand for making a ultra high end bbk when all the brands are doing it, you're being biased. And if you hate on one brand and love another, even though the brand you love is a subsidiary of the brand you hate, you are not contributing anything of value to the thread, and only adding clutter. Humbly recognize that your lack of knowledge and experience prevents you from contributing anything of worth to the thread and don't post until you do have something of worth.

Endless makes some of the best brake systems but in this case, I believe there are better value (better performance is a question mark since I have no experience with any brake kit for now) from AP Racing or other vendors for the price they are charging on this special 86 kit.

Personally, I think the car works fine with a floating 2 piston caliper, uprated pads, brake lines and high temp brake fluid for its 200 odd whp setup. :)

So you posted a lecturing comment toward me saying 'if you cant contribute to the topic, dont post'... thus your post is the one with no contribution to the brake topic.

My quoted phrase was not all I posted, I let readers know that actual WRC brake setups can be had for less, thats a contribution beyond the fluff in your post. Look here: http://www.subaruwrcspares.com/2.html


Take your righteousness elsewhere and 'humbly' dont post rants toward people. :thumbdown:

EDIT: 'socal' ;)

F1 and LeMans. (These figures include their clutches, though.)

http://www.apracing.com/Aboutus.aspx?cid=5


http://www.apracing.com/blog/post.aspx?Page=45

(Was it here that it was brought up that Brembo is AP's parent?)

Never said that Endless sucked. Just that AP is better.

i quoted you not because my post was directed at you, but to make a point. there's a lot of crap in this thread, and if you read my post and the rest of the thread it should be clear who my post is directed at.

fanboi posting his fanboi internet stats to prove a point. 1st this is your opinion. 2nd have you ever worked with endless brakes? if you haven't your opinion is not worth anything.

He asked for facts that supported my opinion. He got them.

No, you stated more of your opinion. It's ok, it's not worth the time posting back and forth.. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what my opinion is. Or yours. But, stating things as fact is silly at best.

I've run Endless brakes on several track vehicles for the last seven years. They are not inferior or overpriced to me or any of my clients. Nor did anyone ever say "that car is fast but would be better off with AP btakes". You know why? Because it's ridiculous. :happy0180:

Missed the edit.

But my adjusted statement is still accurate.

I'll leave this for now.

This thread is still open??

Endless makes great products, but their pricing is ridiculous!

There's a reason why Endless products are that pricey. Alot of R&D is involved with wins from various circuits to back it up. Also, its not meant for everyone. If you're not pushing you car to the limit then its really not the best BBK route to go too.

Das a lot of dimp.