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JDKane527 06-25-2015 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 2299744)
Sorry to hear.

I've recently noticed something a little weird on my clutch.

When I clutch in all the way down, the bottom 10% feels very rough and makes weird noise.

Other than that, the car runs strong and fine.

Should I take it to the dealer? Anyone having the same issue?

You probably should. That sounds like a failing throw out bearing on its way out.

JS + BRZ 06-25-2015 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDKane527 (Post 2299756)
You probably should. That sounds like a failing throw out bearing on its way out.

Will do. Thank you.

My car has been to 7 track days and countless canyon runs. 15K total at the moment.

Wheels/Tires/Coilovers/Catback exhaust. That's it.

JDKane527 06-25-2015 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 2299765)
Will do. Thank you.

My car has been to 7 track days and countless canyon runs. 15K total at the moment.

Wheels/Tires/Coilovers/Catback exhaust. That's it.

My clutch throw out bearing was doing that around 38k miles after >10 track days. Then one day on the highway I downshifted and the clutch made a horrible noise whenever I was disengaging it. Turns out the throw out bearing totally seized. I was able to baby it to a local shop and installed an Exedy Stg 2 clutch that I ordered a week before just in case.

The clutch itself was in good condition, just the throw out bearing was shot.

JS + BRZ 06-25-2015 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDKane527 (Post 2299793)
My clutch throw out bearing was doing that around 38k miles after >10 track days. Then one day on the highway I downshifted and the clutch made a horrible noise whenever I was disengaging it. Turns out the throw out bearing totally seized. I was able to baby it to a local shop and installed an Exedy Stg 2 clutch that I ordered a week before just in case.

The clutch itself was in good condition, just the throw out bearing was shot.

Ah, thanks for the info.

I just made an appointment at the local dealership. Is this something that they would cover under warranty?

jvincent 06-25-2015 07:14 PM

Wow. Clutch go boom.

JDKane527 06-25-2015 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 2299811)
Ah, thanks for the info.

I just made an appointment at the local dealership. Is this something that they would cover under warranty?

They say they would if I brought the car in. They may just request to inspect the clutch and you pay the labor to take out the trans, and if they warranty, then they pick up the bill. If they don't, then you have to take the bill. It's a gamble, see what they say they may just warranty it right from the get go.

I didn't want to go through the hassle and figured it was a good time to install a new clutch anyways.

JS + BRZ 06-25-2015 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDKane527 (Post 2299842)
They say they would if I brought the car in. They may just request to inspect the clutch and you pay the labor to take out the trans, and if they warranty, then they pick up the bill. If they don't, then you have to take the bill. It's a gamble, see what they say they may just warranty it right from the get go.

I didn't want to go through the hassle and figured it was a good time to install a new clutch anyways.

Got it. I'm bring it in on Tuesday... I'll just shut up when I go in first. They will probably tell me if I need to pay before they inspect it, right? LOL I hope so.

On the phone, I just told them the clutch feels very rough and makes weird noise when it's fully engaged. They said just bring it in so they can inspect it.

UMB FR-S 07-06-2015 05:55 PM

ok so new update.


My warranty claim was denied last Monday. Citing that I have sticky tires and my car is a race car (news to me... guess that mace me a race car driver?). After being told that the claim was denied I tried to call Scion Canada again to see if I could get someone on the phone who could make sense of this. After talking to the lady she told me it was denied nothing could be done so I asked to speak to a manager and she said I would get a call back in some time. I told her that this was not good enough I had already waited 5 days since my original discussion with Scion Canada and hadn't received a call back yet. I told her that my car was sitting in non running condition and I expected a bit more urgency in dealing with the situation. I then demanded that I get a call back within 24 hours. I was told that she could not guarantee that but we eventually agreed that 48 hours was reasonable for both ends. that again was last Monday and I have yet to receive any contact from Scion Canada. I would call that poor customer service to say the least.

After reading the post by @Tcoat I started to wonder if this could have been the cause for my failure also and found rivets missing in one of the pictures above. today I went to take more detailed pictures of everything.

starter

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1363.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1364.jpg

flywheel looking in excellent shape

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1368.jpg

clutch parts

notice the rivets missing and the piece looking in good shape on the bottom left

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1369.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1370.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1372.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1373.jpg


still a rivet in this piece

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1374.jpg

close up of missing rivets

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1376.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1377.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1378.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1379.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1380.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1382.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1383.jpg

bell housing

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1384.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1385.jpg

you'll never guess what I found in the bell housing

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1387.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1388.jpg

notice in this picture 2 of the rivets are missing their backs but the 1 was pulled out and still has its back attached.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1390.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1391.jpg

another pic of the piece with missing rivets

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7/f0x12/IMG_1393.jpg


for those who might be wondering why there is blue on the clutch plate i also thought this was odd but when looking at possible replacements I found....

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/exed...h-kit-988.html

that is a new stock clutch from exedy the oem supplier also with the same blueish purple markings on the assembly

Now with no signs of abuse to any wearing items and no reason to not warranty this clutch I need to get their attention so that maybe I can get an explanation as to what they assume went wrong.

Tcoat 07-06-2015 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UMB FR-S (Post 2311628)
ok so new update.


My warranty claim was denied last Monday. Citing that I have sticky tires and my car is a race car (news to me... guess that mace me a race car driver?). After being told that the claim was denied I tried to call Scion Canada again to see if I could get someone on the phone who could make sense of this. After talking to the lady she told me it was denied nothing could be done so I asked to speak to a manager and she said I would get a call back in some time. I told her that this was not good enough I had already waited 5 days since my original discussion with Scion Canada and hadn't received a call back yet. I told her that my car was sitting in non running condition and I expected a bit more urgency in dealing with the situation. I then demanded that I get a call back within 24 hours. I was told that she could not guarantee that but we eventually agreed that 48 hours was reasonable for both ends. that again was last Monday and I have yet to receive any contact from Scion Canada. I would call that poor customer service to say the least.

After reading the post by @Tcoat I started to wonder if this could have been the cause for my failure also and found rivets missing in one of the pictures above. today I went to take more detailed pictures of everything.

starter



flywheel looking in excellent shape



clutch parts

notice the rivets missing and the piece looking in good shape on the bottom left







still a rivet in this piece



close up of missing rivets










bell housing




you'll never guess what I found in the bell housing




notice in this picture 2 of the rivets are missing their backs but the 1 was pulled out and still has its back attached.




another pic of the piece with missing rivets




for those who might be wondering why there is blue on the clutch plate i also thought this was odd but when looking at possible replacements I found....

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/exed...h-kit-988.html

that is a new stock clutch from exedy the oem supplier also with the same blueish purple markings on the assembly

Now with no signs of abuse to any wearing items and no reason to not warranty this clutch I need to get their attention so that maybe I can get an explanation as to what they assume went wrong.

That is almost exactly what I was talking about.
Don't know if you are aware of the Canadian Auto Dispute Resolution Program but if Toyota said no luck I think you have an out standing case for them.
Check it out here: http://www.camvap.ca/media/Auto-Disp...Auto-Industry/

Poodles 07-06-2015 07:42 PM

Wtf... those holes aren't even deformed, so how the hell did the rivets come out?


I'll admit I'm usually skeptical when it comes to clutch failures (missed shift causing an over-rev could cause a clutch to come apart) but this is pretty sketchy.

swarb 07-06-2015 09:12 PM

Do you have the denial on paper? I've read before that people have been denied with no paper work. Pretty shady.
I also wonder if you do your own work if they will warranty an item. I've seen people get charged and bend over for the tear down after being denied on the warranty.

Packofcrows 07-06-2015 09:47 PM

dafuq???! How does that happen to the starter? Did someone drop a screwdriver in there and have you start it? Something caught and blew up in there!

Hope its back on the road asap bro.

Tcoat 07-06-2015 09:48 PM

Being in Canada OP has a great option when his warranty is denied (see my post above).
However... he is better off not discussing any further details of the work or problem on any public forum until after the issue is resolved.

Tcoat 07-06-2015 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2311915)
dafuq???! How does that happen to the starter? Did someone drop a screwdriver in there and have you start it? Something caught and blew up in there!

Hope its back on the road asap bro.

Starter spins the flywheel, clutch contacts the flywheel. Any parts that get flung around can end up in the starter gear.


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