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-   -   Clutch Delay Valve? (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8611)

luxmn 06-13-2012 01:09 PM

wait so what does it mean for newbies, like me, if I want to shift smoothly again? Shift, gas a little then release the clutch slower?

SkullWorks 06-14-2012 02:48 PM

no it means that you effectively can't drop the clutch, even if YOU do, the car limits the speed at which the fluid flows back and therefor the shock to the system is reduced.

it means if you are a newb to clutch it won't matter because this is what you will get used to, don't even think about it just learn to drive by doing what feels smoothest

FRSKEV 02-06-2014 05:29 PM

Glad Im reading this because I thought I was going crazy not being able to figure out how to shift smooth 1-2. All my life I've driven manual cars never had an automatic actually but I feel like I don't know how to drive sometimes with this clutch delay valve thing. Weird I guess I just have to get use to it. I don't like the feeling it gives very much.

Akari 02-06-2014 07:10 PM

Yes, this drives me absolutely insane. If anyone manages to remove/disable theirs please post up specifics on what you did and results!

00NissanNinja 02-06-2014 08:05 PM

I'm glad I saw this too, 1st to 2nd annoyed the crap out of me when I first bought the car. I've been driving stick since I started driving, it made me start thinking to myself, damn I suck at clutch work now. I've gotten mostly used to it now. Still get on the gas a little too soon every once in awhile though. Bugged my Mom too, and she has driven stick since she started driving.

BRZNutt 02-06-2014 09:27 PM

Adjusting the point of engagement lower also helps to minimize this.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8040

BRZfan 02-07-2014 09:23 AM

Some posters here should not be wearing combat boots when driving their manual transmission BRZ.
Try using bare feet (with or w/o socks) for a while and practice to get a better feel of engine rev and clutch actuation. Try to keep your left heel on the floor and use it as a pivot point (and not hip and knee pivoting) The BRZ is not a truck.

Ganthrithor 02-07-2014 09:37 PM

Serious question (I know nothing about clutch-delay valves)-- if there's a delay valve, how can we get wheel chirp going from first to second if we powershift? Is the valve just not effective enough to completely neuter a clutch dump? If so, what's the point of having it since it sounds like it would only make a very minor difference in terms of absorbing shocks?

The thing that kind of annoys me most about the stock drivetrain is the way you get a "bouncing" feeling from the tranny when getting hard on the throttle even after the clutch is fully engaged, which I assume is just an effect of the soft motor mounts and that big rubber donut where the diff meets the rear subframe.

SirBrass 02-07-2014 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 1511151)
Some posters here should not be wearing combat boots when driving their manual transmission BRZ.
Try using bare feet (with or w/o socks) for a while and practice to get a better feel of engine rev and clutch actuation. Try to keep your left heel on the floor and use it as a pivot point (and not hip and knee pivoting) The BRZ is not a truck.

Or do what I did:

Get a pair of Converse All-Stars as driving shoes. Flat, thin sole canvas shoes which allow you to really get a good feel of the pedals.

u/Josh 02-08-2014 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor (Post 1512975)
The thing that kind of annoys me most about the stock drivetrain is the way you get a "bouncing" feeling from the tranny when getting hard on the throttle even after the clutch is fully engaged, which I assume is just an effect of the soft motor mounts and that big rubber donut where the diff meets the rear subframe.

Yep, I'm curious to know which of those things has the biggest effect?

daiheadjai 02-08-2014 12:52 PM

I'm not sure if this is the reason, but it's my bet: Drive-by-wire might be an issue - it seems old-school "cable throttle" cars seem to be easier to drive smoothly.
It took me awhile after transitioning from an older M/T car, but eventually you get the "hang" of it

chrisl 02-08-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBrass (Post 1513163)
Or do what I did:

Get a pair of Converse All-Stars as driving shoes. Flat, thin sole canvas shoes which allow you to really get a good feel of the pedals.

I prefer pumas, but I agree - a good set of thin sole driving shoes makes a big difference in the feel and control you have driving a car (especially a stick shift)

Dave-ROR 02-10-2014 01:04 PM

I'm not concerned about this CDV. I wasn't concerned about the one in my S2K either. It's very easy to learn to live with it.

Akari 02-10-2014 02:56 PM

No offense to anyone in here but a good set of shoes doesn't solve the issue here. The issue is when shifting quickly, especially 1st to 2nd, you have to delay how quickly you get back on the accelerator, otherwise your clutch will not be fully engaged yet even though the pedal is fully released. Yes this is easy to avoid but it's not a behavior that is constructive towards spirited driving or track use.


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