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Dadhawk 10-06-2014 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1973799)
The trade in value was at 0 at the toyota dealership because they felt that the car had no value... it is by no means a good car at all, but it is still drivable and I think I could at least get a grand for it... Hyundai offered 900 for the trade in comparison btw.

Secondly, as my parents are helping me pay for this car, they would prefer for me to have an automatic transmission to avoid any potential problems on such a high priced car for my age.
I would private sell it. Any running car is worth $1000-$1500 on the open market.

Reminds me of the time I traded a 1999 Chevy Astro with 250,000+ miles in on a (slightly used/new) one. The '99 looked OK outside, but the inside had the Arabian tent saggy look going, and the upholstery looked like it had been through 10 years of car seats, baseball and hockey teams (because it had). The dealer said "We'll give you $1,750 in trade". I laughed and said I would pretend I believed he was giving it to me as a trade in value if it made him feel better.

projekkt 10-06-2014 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 1973847)
Can't you get a new BRZ premium for that price with some negotiation? Might be something to consider.
Just as an fyi, the 2015 MY premium is manual only. The '14s should still have the automatic premium. I guess subaru wants to push people towards the limited model.

spicyricecake 10-06-2014 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by projekkt (Post 1973846)
If buying manual equates to "avoiding" any potential problems on a "high" priced car, my impression is that this purchase is gonna put financial strain on you. [Especially when its considered an affordable car] As such, I'm gonna play devils advocate and say you should probably look more milder car. reasons below:

-more maintenance versus a toyota/honda
-insurance premiums
-limited cargo flexibility vs a sedan or cuv
-the RWD risk
-snow tires in the winter
-potential ticket magnet
-if you want more iI'm sure the members here can think of more reasons

As someone who does personal finance for friends, I was wanted to put it out there that you should really consider the impact of getting this car especially if its financially straining. Also consider how important traveling the world is to you as well. But if you've considered all of the above and still are set on buying this car, good luck shopping!

As spoiled as this is going to sound, I'm only covering the down payment (around 8k) and my parents are making the payments. As I will only have to worry about maintenance/insurance I should have no problems actually owning the car.

The transmission issue is that since I've driven an automatic car for what little time I've been driving (22 yrs old, so about 6 years) the folks feel that a response would not be immediate and second-nature in the case of a catastrophe.


As for selling privately, I have been considering that as an option and will have to see what I can do...


Lastly, the budget is 25k with little wiggle room, so paying 28k for a BRZ is out of question haha. I WISH!

spicyricecake 10-06-2014 02:43 PM
oh and no winter worries for me... I live in the panhandle

mav1178 10-06-2014 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 1973758)
Why did they value your trade in at Zero?!
Trade-in value needs to be worth something on the used car wholesale market, so one dealer can sell to another. If it's below a certain threshold (~$1500-2000), the dealer won't even bother to make an offer.

At that point, it's easier to just sell it private party, or donate it to claim tax benefits.

-alex

Tcoat 10-06-2014 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1973844)
Ok thanks a lot.

So does anyone see that the Tallahassee dealership is full of **** on their prices? or is that just me?
If they are selling well around there they will cost more.
Supply and demand is king when it comes to pricing!

DarkSunrise 10-06-2014 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1973869)
Lastly, the budget is 25k with little wiggle room, so paying 28k for a BRZ is out of question haha. I WISH!
Keep in mind Subaru allows you to substantially negotiate off MSRP (unlike Scion). There are stories of members getting their BRZ's for under $25k.

spicyricecake 10-06-2014 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 1973961)
Keep in mind Subaru allows you to substantially negotiate off MSRP (unlike Scion). There are stories of members getting their BRZ's for under $25k.
Now that I did not know! :drool:

I would love to have the BRZ at 25k... :3



What would be the best way to search for the success stories you are referring to?

RoadKillGrill 10-06-2014 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1973695)
if I can't meet this budget, I'll be getting a genesis 2.0t instead. Is there anyone who can give me an unbiased opinion on this car in comparison to the FR-S?
Unbiased... no I cant admit that (this is an 86 forum everyone is going to be biased :p)

But overall the FR-S was a more fun car to drive. The shifting felt better, better steering, nice seats.

I test drove the 3.8 R-Spec not the 2.0T. The Genesis looks great on raw specs, it has the horsepower, FULL back seats for human beings!! Its got the features but I had no where near as much fun test driving it as the FR-S. The gauge cluster in the center looks like cheap plastic. The seats bothered me after the test drive too, the weren't comfortable.

Keep in mind i only have a test drive of experience on the Gen coupe and 6+ months of ownership of the FR-S.

I got a good deal on on a FR-S 10 series. All the comforts of the BRZ and the looks of the 86 and in a color I like.

DarkSunrise 10-06-2014 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1973984)
Now that I did not know! :drool:

I would love to have the BRZ at 25k... :3



What would be the best way to search for the success stories you are referring to?
Yeah I tried to search a little but couldn't find it. If you go onto TrueCar and look up the BRZ Premium and click on national pricing, they show that out of 820 people reporting 2014 BRZ purchases:

- 12 people bought the car for $24.9k - 25.1k
- 23 people bought the car for $25.1k - $25.3k
- 36 people bought the car for $25.3k - $25.5k
- 36 people bought the car for $25.5k - $25.7k
- 53 people bought the car for $25.7k - $25.9k

And so on. I suspect many of these may be manual purchases though, so you may need to add the cost of an automatic in there.

Try looking here:
https://www.truecar.com/prices-new/subaru/brz-pricing/

spicyricecake 10-06-2014 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadKillGrill (Post 1973992)
Unbiased... no I cant admit that (this is an 86 forum everyone is going to be biased :p)

But overall the FR-S was a more fun car to drive. The shifting felt better, better steering, nice seats.

I test drove the 3.8 R-Spec not the 2.0T. The Genesis looks great on raw specs, it has the horsepower, FULL back seats for human beings!! Its got the features but I had no where near as much fun test driving it as the FR-S. The gauge cluster in the center looks like cheap plastic. The seats bothered me after the test drive too, the weren't comfortable.

Keep in mind i only have a test drive of experience on the Gen coupe and 6+ months of ownership of the FR-S.

I got a good deal on on a FR-S 10 series. All the comforts of the BRZ and the looks of the 86 and in a color I like.

That's pretty much how I felt about the 2.0t. It was ok driving, the interior was superb, but just not quite there for me.

the FR-S on the other hand really made me excited when I test drove it. Plus the FR-S' exterior looks better in my opinion.

spicyricecake 10-06-2014 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 1974014)
Yeah I tried to search a little but couldn't find it. If you go onto TrueCar and look up the BRZ Premium and click on national pricing, they show that out of 820 people reporting 2014 BRZ purchases:

- 12 people bought the car for $24.9k - 25.1k
- 23 people bought the car for $25.1k - $25.3k
- 36 people bought the car for $25.3k - $25.5k
- 36 people bought the car for $25.5k - $25.7k
- 53 people bought the car for $25.7k - $25.9k

And so on. I suspect many of these may be manual purchases though, so you may need to add the cost of an automatic in there.

Try looking here:
https://www.truecar.com/prices-new/subaru/brz-pricing/


Wow, those are not bad prices at all... but the automatic price ends up being 28800.
Now, If i were to pay 29k for a car I'd get the higher trimmed BRZ, but that's not the case so :3

25k FR-S, is it really not possible?

How strong of a buying power is the certificate from Truecar.com?
I wouldn't mind paying the average price people pay there.

projekkt 10-06-2014 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 1974043)
Wow, those are not bad prices at all... but the automatic price ends up being 28800.
Now, If i were to pay 29k for a car I'd get the higher trimmed BRZ, but that's not the case so :3

25k FR-S, is it really not possible?

How strong of a buying power is the certificate from Truecar.com?
I wouldn't mind paying the average price people pay there.
It all depends on leverage and volume. Dealers get bonuses based on their monthly sales. Toyota dealers near metropolitan areas can be notorious in cutting into the invoice pricing if they can hit the higher bonus brackets.

If you have multiple dealers in the area. A typical strategy is to put the dealers against each other. However this is a bit of a niche car. I got my brz simply by walking into the dealership and telling them what I was willing to pay and for the most part it was close. I did order my car though so the wait is brutal. Manual and in the lower quarter of truecar.

projekkt 10-06-2014 07:48 PM
Don't forget scion has a college grad and military discount if you qualify


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