Get a manual, it's got a fairly great shifter and if you want the best deal, email several different scion dealerships in your area with a price you would feel reasonable paying, and don't give them a range, just bottom line price. If they want your business, they will do what it takes to get it.

I was seriously considering the Cayman before buying the FRS. But after doing a bit of research on the IMS issue. I would probably steer away from all Cayman that were made before 09.

But... But... The hideous bumper

No room on the Scion. The GM at our Toyota store is a customer of mine (we own a preschool and his son attends) and while he bent over backwards for us... generous offer on the trade, matched my CU's loan numbers, waived off the $1000 supplemental sticker...his hands were tied as far as needing to show MSRP on the buyers order.

Hop on the "wait for a more powerful model to come out" boat with me. You won't be sorry.

I bought my FRS 1500 off MSRP because they marked ALL of the 10 series FRS on the lot 1500 off MSRP. There is no negotiations on the price, if they want to drop the price, they have to drop it for all the cars that are the same spec on the dealers lot.

My first FRS had like a chip on the paint, I asked for a bumper film instead of a repaint. The dealer switched my car out for another FRS because they said if they offered me paint protection film, they had to give it to everyone else.

Guess i hit a nerve with all these rapid replies-but thanks.

Let me correct - the engine is fine and not a deal breaker. Base Cayman owners bitch about power all the time but still love their cars.

The steering really got me. How did they reproduce that hydraulic feel? I drove a Lotus Exige around Lime Rock for half a day and the 86 is almost as good!!

Don't know why Other manufacturers can't replicate.

Did they at least tell you first?

"Guys, c'mon. He'll never notice."

"Why is my car red now?"

"SHIT."

Yeah, they suggested a repaint of the front bumper, but I wanted original paint on my new 10 series. So I inquired about a bumper film, they said they can't or else they have to give it to everyone else.

So then I asked if they can change the FRS to another one and they said sure. This was after I signed for the car and everything. This was at 10:30 PM, the guy in finance was like "I'm sorry to hear your FRS had a paint blemish, that usually never happens."

Going to be a long boat ride

There are several things the dealer can do to sweeten the deal but still charge full price (if they really want to that is). I got the film protection full window tint and the spoiler thrown in for nothing and a pretty good discount on the lowering springs and TRD exhaust. With the 2015s coming out soon many dealers want to move any 14s they still have in stock.

Get a Subaru STi and you won't look back.

Forget the pretentious comments regarding mt vs at, get what you want, and you will love either decision.

It won't hurt you to try to haggle the price, but it is highly possible to knock off $2000 off a new brz limited.

First things first -- Don't let other people bully you into owning a MT vs AT. If you want the AT, get the AT. They aren't making the payments...you are.

That being said, I drive a 2013 MT and love it. the car is designed to handle the curves and not built for speed so remember that. Backseat is useless so my 7 year old is just tied to the rear trailing arm and dragged to school -- Kidding. The auto trans, in terms of squishboxes, is actually quite impressive and the features it has with it, such as auto downshift, are a nice touch. There are trades to having an auto versus a manual trans (And I am not talking about what people are going to say on a website) so do research first if you're serious about the car.

Lastly, pricing point. Haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle haggle. If you can't or don't know how, then go to google and type "how to haggle"
into the search bar. Understand that even at their "Sticker is the only option" bullshit, the worst they can do is push you for their pricing and at the end of the day, the dealer still needs to make a buck. Selling a car for $xxx is better than letting you walk for $0. I bought my 2013 for $18,500 and traded in a 2007 subaru impreza 2.5i for $5,000 value. after all taxes, licensing, GAP coverage, and the highest level warranty, I walked away with my car for $21,151 out the door.

It takes time, so be patient. And no matter what you drive, enjoy it. Happy driving :burnrubber: