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colHolm 03-14-2012 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Saber_TRD (Post 155800)
Edit: Actually, by your logic, you're saying Subaru is Toyota because Toyota owns majority shares in Fuji Heavy Industries, which owns Subaru.
Not really... Toyota isn't the largest shareholder of Scion. They are Scion. Subaru is a separate, outside company of which Toyota owns a majority of shares.

SUB-FT86 03-14-2012 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Saber_TRD (Post 155800)
As I said they're a brother/sister company, well more of a child company. They do not have the same operation as Toyota or vision. (Pure pricing garbage with one model and they go cheap/affordable instead of quality at slight extra cost which is huge to me.) I will not argue that they are the same family, but they are different.

Edit: Actually, by your logic, you're saying Subaru is Toyota because Toyota owns majority shares in Fuji Heavy Industries, which owns Subaru.
Do me a favor. Look up Toyota Zelas/ Toyota Corolla Rumion/Toyota Ist/Toyota IQ/Toyota 86. All of these cars is branded a Toyota in different parts of the world but what is all of them called in NA? Scions. So the whole vision crap is absurd.

Saber_TRD 03-14-2012 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909 (Post 155815)
How do you feel about the Lexus SC300/400?
You mean the Toyota Soarer made Lexus for N.A.? I'd rather they have kept it a Toyota as well. Love actual names vs letters/numbers. However in Lexus' case they keep quality in mind and toss in some more luxury at even more cost, don't really care for the extra luxury but at least they are not cheaping out on things and forcing you into one trim.

In that case though I'd have to opt for a Supra. A) It's a Toyota (brand loyalty again) B) Same engine, different purpose. (Depending on year of Soarer)

Dadhawk 03-14-2012 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by preetham (Post 155808)
+1. ...I think you can even take it to a toyota dealer for Oil change\regular maintenance and they might not say no. In most cases the scion and toyota delalers share the same building\lot, atleast the one i am talking to does.
In my case, I'm actually buying it from a Toyota dealer. They sell Scion on the same floor under a banner that says (and I'm paraphrasing) "Yo, we have these cars over here too".

That said, I respect Taber_CRD's opinion on it. I wish it said Toyota as well. I'm just not hung up on the badge thing as much because it seems to be saving me money and avoiding things I really don't care about in the car (remember I'm the guy that wants manual windows).

Even better I wish it had a "Ferrari by Toyota" badge on it.

ichitaka05 03-14-2012 12:51 PM
going off topic~ c'mon, at least make first page on-topic lol

Saber_TRD 03-14-2012 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 155836)
going off topic~ c'mon, at least make first page on-topic lol
Sorry about that, I'm not helping by responding to the counters of my opinion. I'll stop.

chulooz 03-14-2012 01:02 PM
In before theyre all subarus anyway.:thumbup:

xrs 03-14-2012 01:03 PM
You should really add "if the price is right" to your poll.

preetham 03-14-2012 01:47 PM
Yes, this all given that the price is right (dont want to open that can of worms). That is specified in the post below the poll.

Dragonitti 03-14-2012 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 155754)
#1 & #3 for me. I gotta do every little things before actually buying it. Even thou it looks good as is, THAT doesn't mean anything. Gotta look around again, touch exterior & interior, sit to feel comfy, and test drive to make sure I like em... before buying it
+1 :thumbsup:

tranzformer 03-14-2012 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Saber_TRD (Post 155800)
As I said they're a brother/sister company, well more of a child company. They do not have the same operation as Toyota or vision. (Pure pricing garbage with one model and they go cheap/affordable instead of quality at slight extra cost which is huge to me.) I will not argue that they are the same family, but they are different.

Edit: Actually, by your logic, you're saying Subaru is Toyota because Toyota owns majority shares in Fuji Heavy Industries, which owns Subaru.
Guess you don't know business world that well. Majority share doesn't mean much unless you own 51% of the company and can single handly make decisions. TMC can't do that with FHI.

NERO 03-14-2012 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Saber_TRD (Post 155800)
As I said they're a brother/sister company, well more of a child company. They do not have the same operation as Toyota or vision. (Pure pricing garbage with one model and they go cheap/affordable instead of quality at slight extra cost which is huge to me.) I will not argue that they are the same family, but they are different.
It's not supposed to have the same vision, it's geared towards a completely different target audience, thus the reason for pure pricing and the reason they are built with less luxury items in them.

Scion is no less a Toyota product than Lexus is. Would you say they are cheap because they are not a Toyota product as well? You need to look at Toyota's business model and reason for having the Scion name before saying something so dumb.

Alias 03-14-2012 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 155926)
Guess you don't know business world that well. Majority share doesn't mean much unless you own 51% of the company and can single handly make decisions. TMC can't do that with FHI.

Guess you don't know business world that well. Owning 51% of the company in no way means that you can "single handly make the business decisions" for the company unless you're part of hollywood movies like Mr. Deeds.

Most companies require 2/3 majority vote of shareholders for major decisions. In most states it's a legal requirement, and even where it isn't there are still laws to protect the minority shareholders and if the decisions don't make sense for the business they can sue the majority shareholder's pants off.

86fanatic 03-14-2012 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Alias (Post 155948)
Guess you don't know business world that well. Owning 51% of the company in no way means that you can "single handly make the business decisions" for the company unless you're part of hollywood movies like Mr. Deeds.

Most companies require 2/3 majority vote of shareholders for major decisions. In most states it's a legal requirement, and even where it isn't there are still laws to protect the minority shareholders and if the decisions don't make sense for the business they can sue the majority shareholder's pants off.
Exactly, especially in publicly traded companies the "majority shareholder" tends to own 10% of the company or less. Majority shareholder also tends to mean the shareholder who controls the most shares, not the shareholder who controls 51% of the company.

In the case of FHI, it does look like Toyota is the majority shareholder:

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/ir/share_info/share.html


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