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s2d4 06-03-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by charged86 (Post 976463)
Because Jon@visconti knows his tuning. I said believe I don't have raw data of my own vehicle yet

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37528

charged86 06-04-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by s2d4 (Post 978938)

I that suppose to be a burn. I don't have a turbo. Jv worked directly with vortech for the file I have

ft_sjo 06-04-2013 08:55 AM

There's nothing wrong with the seals. The issue is with the calibration which has since been fixed. No aftermarket tuner is going to know more than the OEM or have the same testing capabilities.

2forme 06-04-2013 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo (Post 979947)
There's nothing wrong with the seals. The issue is with the calibration which has since been fixed. No aftermarket tuner is going to know more than the OEM or have the same testing capabilities.

Once the seal is blown, it's blown. No amount of tuning will fix a seal that broke.

In all honesty, this should have never been an issue. Are they saying that Subaru never tested high temp combustion environments when designing this motor?

ft_sjo 06-04-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 2forme (Post 979957)
Once the seal is blown, it's blown. No amount of tuning will fix a seal that broke.

In all honesty, this should have never been an issue. Are they saying that Subaru never tested high temp combustion environments when designing this motor?

Engine dyno testing would have been unlikely to exhibit this behaviour due to it's high-speed transient nature. It's unfortunate that the road testing before release didn't seem to highlight it either. It is what it is.

This is not about 'high temp combustion environments'. It's about transient detonation. A problem you want to solve (via a new calibration), not try and cover up with an aftermarket 'fix'.

Dezoris 06-04-2013 01:32 PM

It would be nice to get some transparency from Vendors as to their knowledge and what they know about the situation, including how they address it in their tuning.

ft_sjo 06-04-2013 01:44 PM

You fix it by increasing the remit of the transient spark control tables from 5200rpm to something higher and populate the aforementioned table with appropriate data.

The actual changes from Subaru have been posted else where on this forum. You don't need no vendors to repeat what's already out there.

Dezoris 06-04-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo (Post 980580)
You fix it by increasing the remit of the transient spark control tables from 5200rpm to something higher and populate the aforementioned table with appropriate data.

The actual changes from Subaru have been posted else where on this forum. You don't need no vendors to repeat what's already out there.

And how exactly do the masses get this done?

s2d4 06-04-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by charged86 (Post 979932)
I that suppose to be a burn. I don't have a turbo. Jv worked directly with vortech for the file I have

No, it just means you are not immune from past results.

If it is because of knock causing injector movement rendering it more exposed to heat from combustion, the tuning didn't cater for it.

ft_sjo 06-04-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 980584)
And how exactly do the masses get this done?

Get your dealer to update your ecu for free or pay a tuner to do it.

CSG Mike 06-04-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo (Post 980144)
Engine dyno testing would have been unlikely to exhibit this behaviour due to it's high-speed transient nature. It's unfortunate that the road testing before release didn't seem to highlight it either. It is what it is.

This is not about 'high temp combustion environments'. It's about transient detonation. A problem you want to solve (via a new calibration), not try and cover up with an aftermarket 'fix'.

You can't possibly be implying that a bunch of enthusiasts can replicate a problem that Subaru/Toyota can't....

/sarcasm

killerkid08 06-05-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by charged86 (Post 976281)
The frs/brz/gt86 needs your help!!!. we need and adequate fuel solution to the following: (anyone please help me add or delete these requests)

1. Direct injector O-ring solution.
(higher temp rated Teflon or billet aluminum or ceramic


2. Fuel return system (we need one)
@Visconti @Don@Accelerated


3. Fuel canister rubber ring (whole canister revision?)
(oem Subaru part # 42025CA000. beginning to believe this should
replaced and included in aftermarket pump sales)
*also we need a better diy*

4. root cause of the reason for failure. ECU tuning, fuel type, etc

Since all of us forced induction guy have no warranty left and these issues are a major part of any FI system we need to have something fool proof and reliable. Please help. GOD Speed. :w00t:


@Visconti @Don@Accelerated

@FT-86 speedfactory FT-86 SpeedFactory

@FullBlown

@Jesse@JDLAuotdesign JDLAutoDesign

@AVOturboworld

@Abel_PTUNING

@FA20Club.com

@Brian@Vortech

@Evasive Motorsports

@Titanmotorsports

@PERRIN_Jeff

@RallySport Direct

@MAPerfomance MAPerformance


found this on direct injection o rings
http://www.pspglobal.com/oscillating.html


found this on mk6 Volkswagen forums
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37349

just to speak toward number 3:

why do we need this ? proper installation won't damage it. It's not thin rubber, you just have to be careful with it.

charged86 06-06-2013 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by killerkid08 (Post 984509)
just to speak toward number 3:

why do we need this ? proper installation won't damage it. It's not thin rubber, you just have to be careful with it.


i was wondering about a whole revision of the fuel canister

killerkid08 06-06-2013 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by charged86 (Post 984633)
i was wondering about a whole revision of the fuel canister

An updated enclosure wouldn't be a bad idea. Would make fuel pump upgrading eaiser, but would also add $$$ to things especially when deciding to use a fuel pump larger than the DW65C. I know many people, including myself, cursed the gods when they had everything ready to go back together only to realize, WTF this thing wont close, and then had to get creative.


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