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Laika 01-02-2012 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 106877)
Toyota is already selling a stripped down version of the 86 in Japan.

Probably not the best choice in wording. Unless it was. In which case please send me a link so I can order mine :happy0180:

Max Schnell 01-03-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lfawishes (Post 106921)
Scuby- All ecu monitor those parameters. I've had 4 subies, 2 sti's the latest with an upgraded turbo. Anyways no it only monitors/changes these in the basic way, there are newer ecu's where supposedly you can switch between say 91, and 100 octane and you will increase timing and even boost automatically by filling up gas, not changing any tuning paramters manually.. I can't confirm how well it works.

Subaru offers tons of parts, from strut tower, front cross member braces, pillowball endlinks/ trailing arms, theres pretty much everything.



You make think its a pipe dream but pretty odd if Subaru decided to show the nearly road ready sti concept a couple weeks before the production model was shown, after a year and a half wait with nothing.

I think the pipe dream comments were about the racecar for 15k. Until real pricing comes and in the unlikely event Subaru would even offer the shell for sale for race car build, it is pretty close to impossible that you can do a real track ready BRZ for 15k.

I don't doubt subaru will offer race oriented components at a nice profit margin for the company to people who want it. I am less sure that Subaru would do a "stripped down" version at this point. I think STI version may happen if there is a market. Anyhow its all speculation at this point. Other than a bunch of journalists gushing over the handling we have very little real performance info to go on.

Scubynubie 01-03-2012 09:20 AM

I'm familiar with the stripped down "body in white", but that is not what I was looking for.

I do mean something in the vein of the S2000 CR or 911 RS America. A production car that is street legal, but that you could take to the track or autocross course and be very competitive right out of the box.

This comes out of the fact that the original weight released for the car was around 2600 lbs, and now it looks like it will actually be almost 2800 lbs when it lands here in the US.

If they were to get rid of a lot of those frilly things that don't help with going fast, and put that money towards things that do, then I think that the BRZ/FR-S would be much more appealing to those of us that want to compete in the car.

IMO, I doubt that Subaru especially would do something like this because they really do not support weekend racers at all, and that is what I would like to see change most of all.

chulooz 01-03-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lfawishes (Post 107090)
Yeah, I can tell you know that going about ordering a race car shell form subaru is not going to save you any money. Thats ridiculous does anyone even have a drivers license on here?

Ordering shells like that is for race teams that will be spending 100 thousand dollars a year to compete, maintain and travel their car.

Get real, if you can't afford the regular brz YOU SURE AS SHITE aren't going to be racing one.

Do you realize how many components from a totaled STI would be a direct (and better) swap? There is no need to dismiss the potentially good idea so quickly, especially with wrecks going for ~$10K.

Dragonitti 01-03-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lfawishes (Post 107112)
LOL, you mean the ej engine mounts? THe brakes, the rims, none of that fits, we don't even know the ej25 would fit especially in turbo'ed form. The fuel system/intake would not work, need custom development, not to mention the bell housing.....the sti is awd drivetrain. LOL.

This is a high hopes and totally silly. If you have ever owned/modified a car you know how pie in the sky this idea is.


Shells are for race teams with huge budgets, not for a cheapskate trying to get a brz for 10 grand cheaper.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3104

Most of us think it's Ej swapped..

Homemade WRX 01-03-2012 03:09 PM

I'd certainly hope it isn't EJ swapped, considering we already know they have FA turbo engines in the works. However being if it's just a drift team without engineering support, it may very well be just a shell with an EJ dropped in. It would be simple enough to do.

chulooz 01-03-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lfawishes (Post 107112)
LOL, you mean the ej engine mounts? THe brakes, the rims, none of that fits, we don't even know the ej25 would fit especially in turbo'ed form. The fuel system/intake would not work, need custom development, not to mention the bell housing.....the sti is awd drivetrain. LOL.

This is a high hopes and totally silly. If you have ever owned/modified a car you know how pie in the sky this idea is.


Shells are for race teams with huge budgets, not for a cheapskate trying to get a brz for 10 grand cheaper.

:bonk: Subaru's.
They mean it when they call these cars Legos, most of the stuff you mentioned should be able to fit.
This isnt about being cheap, its about building your own car. If its done with patience and know-how it can be much cheaper than you assume, but you do have to pay to play in the end.

Dave-ROR 01-03-2012 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lfawishes (Post 107166)
I just mean the big reason for subaru to offer something like this is much more likely for a race team with big bucks than for a little guy building a cheaper car, hes's prob better off finding pieces of both cars on his own.

I agree subarus are like that im a subie guy, but the new rwd eliminates the chance of transmission swap, so you'd need custom housing to put brz tranny to ej if it were even possible, were pretty sure of the bolt pattern which is indicating no brembo swap from sti or rims, only 04sti small production relative to other years shares the 5X100, likely the fmic stuff will need to be custom as well. We definitely know the DI will not swap onto an ej plug and play. Not looking like the sti is going to be a great swap candidate at least not older ones,

If the FB shares the same trans bolt pattern as the EJ then the FA will as well (I have no idea if that's the case or not).

All you need from the 04 STI is rotors. Any 04-11 STI front calipers bolt up (although won't be proper as discussed in some brakes threads) and 04-07 rear calipers... and the parking brake stuff if you want the parking brake to function.. and pads of course.

A BIW BRZ will be at least 5k if they ever sold it. Add in all of the parts to build it as a race car and there is no way you'll be under 15k IMO.

WingsofWar 01-03-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 107189)
If the FB shares the same trans bolt pattern as the EJ then the FA will as well.

Exactly +1 I was always under the impression that the FA FB and EJ closer relatives to each other in design than even Nissans VG series.

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All you need from the 04 STI is rotors. Any 04-11 STI front calipers bolt up (although won't be proper as discussed in some brakes threads) and 04-07 rear calipers... and the parking brake stuff if you want the parking brake to function.. and pads of course.
Yep from moto's Article sounds like Impreza 5x100 brake hardware will bolt up properly without much modification. (I hope the factory BMC&BB are big enough to support larger calipers)


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