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-   -   Its a scion? (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30822)

sho220 03-11-2013 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gusbarragan (Post 786678)
Do any of you FRS owners forget you own a scion and not a toyota? I know i frequently do.
BRZ/FRS/86...Same thing, different badge, different "options"...

fistpoint 03-11-2013 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gusbarragan (Post 786678)
Do any of you FRS owners forget you own a scion and not a toyota? I know i frequently do.
No, it's a Subaru regardless of what it says on the back.

gusbarragan 03-11-2013 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 786844)
No, it's a Subaru regardless of what it says on the back.
Whys that?

fistpoint 03-11-2013 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gusbarragan (Post 786851)
Whys that?
Because Subaru engineered and built it? The only Toyota in this car is the key fob, the HPFP, the direct injection system, and the design of the body panels. I believe other every last nut and bolt is Subaru.

It's a Subaru from start to finish.

naikaidriver 03-11-2013 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 786857)
Because Subaru engineered and built it? The only Toyota in this car is the key fob, the HPFP, the direct injection system, and the design of the body panels. I believe other every last nut and bolt is Subaru.

It's a Subaru from start to finish.
Word to the wise... you better go back and read Tetsuya Tada's own words concerning the development and building of the GT86 before you start spouting off such drivel.

Scott

rice_classic 03-11-2013 05:53 PM
When I'm asked: "What is it?"

I just say: "I don't really know, nobody does."

quasimoto 03-11-2013 05:55 PM
I tell people it's a Toyobaru 86 and leave it at that :)

Trojan_SC 03-11-2013 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jahdai42 (Post 786686)
nope... says so on the steering wheel :D
Mine doesn't :happyanim:

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/...4/32407350.jpg

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 786801)
So you have UK ver :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:
I just say I imported it and they look at me like :eyebulge: lol

fistpoint 03-11-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by naikaidriver (Post 786865)
Word to the wise... you better go back and read Tetsuya Tada's own words concerning the development and building of the GT86 before you start spouting off such drivel.

Scott
Link? I would like to refresh and read more on that.

However, I was talking about construction. Just because a Toyota person said "do exactly this", doesn't change the fact that the part in question was still built/manufactured by a company other than the one that would normally be responding to the order. Toyota has their own engineers, Subaru has theirs. If Toyota requested a cake by Gordon Ramsey and Martha Stewart respectively, the cakes would be made to order but still unique.

naikaidriver 03-11-2013 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 786900)
Link? I would like to refresh and read more on that.

However, I was talking about construction. Just because a Toyota person said "do exactly this", doesn't change the fact that the part in question was still built/manufactured by a company other than the one that would normally be responding to the order. Toyota has their own engineers, Subaru has theirs. If Toyota requested a cake by Gordon Ramsey and Martha Stewart respectively, the cakes would be made to order but still unique.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...830#post732830

Read this and you tell me if your "cake analogy" still fits.

Scott

mrlewistan 03-11-2013 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fistpoint (Post 786900)
Link? I would like to refresh and read more on that.

However, I was talking about construction. Just because a Toyota person said "do exactly this", doesn't change the fact that the part in question was still built/manufactured by a company other than the one that would normally be responding to the order. Toyota has their own engineers, Subaru has theirs. If Toyota requested a cake by Gordon Ramsey and Martha Stewart respectively, the cakes would be made to order but still unique.
Seems like that is just getting into semantics. Ultimately this car represents both companies because if either one was not involved, the frs brz 86 would not exist.

naikaidriver 03-11-2013 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mrlewistan (Post 786921)
Seems like that is just getting into semantics. Ultimately this car represents both companies because if either one was not involved, the frs brz 86 would not exist.
:thanks:

Scott

whaap 03-11-2013 06:29 PM
I have no difficulty saying my car is a Scion. I became calloused to the name on my car when I owned two Miata's.
:burnrubber:

DSOmegaX 03-11-2013 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mrlewistan (Post 786921)
Seems like that is just getting into semantics. Ultimately this car represents both companies because if either one was not involved, the frs brz 86 would not exist.
Agreed. It's hard to define who creates what these days anyway. My company constantly acquires new products and technologies, whether through acquisitions or partnerships, and regardless whether we absorb their manufacturing site or still have them produce it, the end product is still rebranded as our own and is perceived that way. In addition, you have to account for parts that are supplied from third parties. Honestly, how many components in our cars do you think are actually designed and manufactured at Fuji Heavy Industries? A good number come from suppliers we've probably never heard of and then rebranded as Subaru on the end product. Easiest analogy is Apple. Why aren't our phones called the Foxconn iPhones because isn't that where its manufactured? An end product is the result of multiple resources from multiple sites. What ends up on the final product is just a matter of who is supplying the final product to the customer as a business.


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