Let's not forget that this is a pretty heavily modified NA 4age with ~175hp, however Tsuchiya's 86 is a decent amount of lbs lighter.

the itr doesnt weigh that much. its also a pretty extreme car despite being fwd. actually one of the most fun cars ive ever driven.

This topic reminded me of that kid on a integra who showed up on our touge run showing off his fwd skill going down hill, we let him go on the second pass & we hear this long tire screech well here is a pics

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I got to play with a ITR on the track once in my first Impreza that only had ~120hp. I could outrun him on the corners easily, but he had 100+hp on me (intake/full exhaust/etc.) so thats about as far as that story goes, LOL!

However, If the Toyobaru is anything like a MX-5 in terms of handling, it will easily outrun a stock Type-R. The power/weight is pretty much dead even, but the weight on the FRS/BRZ is MUCH lower and the RWD will let you get on the gas a bit sooner than the Type-R and get out of the corners quicker.

926kg vs. 1056kg, so there's no surprise here!

exactly

With drivetrain losses being less in a fwd car, I'd say both are fairly evenly matched. Honda's R cars.... most of their sporty cars in fact, are tuned to oversteer. It'd likely come down to driver ability on anything but a straight road. I know everyone likes to bash Honda because of the whole stigma to them, but guess what? As awesome a car as the FR-S is going to be, it's likely gonna fall victim to the same mess of ricers.

Driver makes a huge difference. I've passed many faster cars in mine (gt3s, sti, evos, etc) with my basically stock car so that's not really evidence of anything :)

I'm compare autox times in (harder to get both cars to sebring to test there) both once I have an frs/brz. I'd guess if subaru hits the specs posted that they'll be very very close to each other.

i dont think the frs is going to be faster or any where near as sporty as the itr. that car is hundreds of pounds lighter than the frs and i dont think the drivetrain is going to be as race oriented either.

This was one was at the track... right! (pssst no street racing) ;) :bellyroll:

Both start off the line side by side so power is a good match up and as mentioned, the Type in OEM form is a good piece but has some upgrades too (listen to the idle).

True that the AE86 is lighter, by like 300 lbs but the advantage is due those better drive. It's easier to push rather then to pull. Look at 2:45 at the double apex and how much time and drive the Type is losing and then to get on the gas so late.

Here is another example with a Civic Type R! CTR, has a much better jump but the exit drive is what kills it b/c of the oversteer.

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+1 esp with the steady flow of newbs posting up new threads about the same shit w/out even searching.

You can't compare modified cars, well you can but it's ALWAYS a pointless exercise. You can make a Yugo destroy an ITR, a CTR, a FRS and every AE86 in existance if you want to put enough money into it.

His line is all f'd up during that set of corners, early apex, wrong side of the track, and then bounces over the curbing..

Let's stick to comparing cars stock vs stock.

That's Defense by blocking his line or breaking his concentration! :bellyroll:

TBH, even in stock trim a FWD vs RWD comparo is rhetorical...

I think the ITR is the best FWD drivers car out there but I am really hoping the FRS is a ITR but RWD which I think will give it a more sporty feel and more fun due to rwd

Honda gets a bad name due to the scene but their cars are really well made and designed and anything with a Type R is on a entirely different level compared to its regular counterpart

yes its a track at night lol but thats like 7yrs ago I dont do it anymore

only thing I see wrong with a fwd is when elevation change like down hill & off camber turns a fwd will understeer but got to admire how well build a ITR, I remember back then when honda stated that they will bring the ITR here in US soil on limited number & it will be under the acura name and as i remember a lot of honda heads rolled and at the end acura Type-R was a success actually sold out half before it hit the showroom. this reminds you of anything like what going on with the scion FRS right now.