Originally Posted by TuxedoCartman (Post 490121)

Ingen, that's the second thread you've made this assertion in. Where are you getting this from?! Source?! Because if they had a "non competition agreement", they wouldn't be selling both cars in the same market at all. It's not like Ferraris and Fords, where someone's driving an FR-S today, but really dreams of winning the lottery so he can go buy a BRZ.

Also? See every other market in the world that gets multiple trim levels; and America's history of getting ****ed over by foreign car makers, and getting whatever scraps they decide to throw us (e.g. 240SX instead of Silvia, only three years of the FD3S, etc...) There is no non-competition agreement: Toyota simply made the decision that it was not financially viable to send over multiple trim levels (probably right), and this segued nicely with Scion's loathsome "no trim levels, one spec model" business plan. Subaru obviously felt differently about the idea of trim levels (though I wonder how many people specifically wanted the Premium and not the Limited trim, versus how many settled because that's all they could find).

Originally Posted by Ravenlokk (Post 489758)

Theres so many little things they cheaped out on, that would add a lot of value.

Originally Posted by Texas FR-S (Post 490175)

You have a point, but there are enthusiasts out here who have owned two-seat sports cars prior to their FR-S / BRZ, which have made a compromise out daily driving in the past. I would've loved to own a fun-to-drive, lightweight sports car with at least some versatility to take my small kids and car seats to go along... And now that day has come.

Yeah, it's tight back there... But I can take my two kids w/ car seats anywhere without making myself feel guilty or selfish. And that's significant for me... Just because this car is a two door sports car, that doesn't mean that a family man can't get the best out of it.

Now, don't get me boiling... :mad0260: ;)

(Sorry for the rant!) :D

Originally Posted by jmaryt (Post 489914)

i believe if you are over 5'0" tall,you will
end up a "deformed" human when exiting
the back seat,and may possibly be wearing
a ''colostomy" bag for the remainder of your life.
also,i would NOT recommend attempting to "fu*k"
back there either, as there is no sun roof option!..just sayin'

Originally Posted by Synack (Post 490397)

I think it's funny how we complain about the speaker situation yet I remember very vividly that before 2005 speakers in cars were SOOOOOOOO SHITTY. You literally were FORCED to go aftermarket if you wanted a half decent sound. I'm fine with the speakers we have now. Just the rattle thing is a small downer.

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE (Post 490272)

I'm enjoying the insurance break!, my son loves to go drifting with me, its always "oh shit!" face, then clapping lol... hes 3 and when it starts raining, he runs to the front door and look at me with "you know we gotta go right now!"

Originally Posted by hippari (Post 490425)

Word.

I think more of you guys need to live with an old beater for a while or something. lol

I came from a 99 Miata and the FR-S just feels so much more accommodating in everyway while still delivering all that fun I used to have.

Originally Posted by Books (Post 490167)

Did you happen to change the mode to FR-S? By default it's set to TC (Another Scion Model) It sounds terrible if you don't set it and it seems like so many dealers don't know about it.

Originally Posted by T-SoL (Post 490673)

can you elaborate on this? how do i know it is in TC mode? and how can i change to FR-S mode if that was the case?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Carban (Post 490663)

It sounds like many of you have forgotten what this car is about. Ive been following the FR-S longgg before production, and it is everything i wished for +plus more. I did not buy this car for "steering wheel controls" or "auto headlights" , or in that case, AUTO-ANYTHING. This car is built for the DRIVER to DRIVE. Not to push a button, let it crank over, and relax in luxury on your way to the store. If you wanted that you shoulda bought anything but an FR-S.

...so strange hearing some of the complaints about this car. its like ppl just thought it looked cool, bought it, then started crying because the computer didnt do everything for them.

From the ground up it was built to modify and drive. Instead of dwelling on the sound system (which i think sounds freakin great stock), try thorwin a roll cage in ur car, thats right the dash was built for adding a roll cage. and thats just one example.
how about a track day? no complaints.

Originally Posted by T-SoL (Post 490673)

can you elaborate on this? how do i know it is in TC mode? and how can i change to FR-S mode if that was the case?

Thanks

Originally Posted by jarviz (Post 490202)

I would gladly save the $2k you get from buying a scion over a Subaru. Personally, the features that came with it for that price wasn't worth it to me. That $2k went straight to a clear bra and opti coat lol.

Originally Posted by Texas FR-S (Post 490490)

I wish I had the guts to that... The closest my 4 year old and 1 year old girls get to do with me are the 'parade laps' between a track event (slow cruising laps on the road course). If I were to push on the acceleration ever so slightly, my 4 year old would throw a toy at me in anger, lol! She goes after her mom! :bellyroll:

Sorry for dragging this off-topic... :D