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Xxyion 12-03-2016 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2807993)
Unless you are a hardcore racer, radiator is fine. If you are driving in 85 degree weather every day and want to check oil temp and coolant temp, get an ELM 327 BT OBD2 dongle for $20 on Amazon, then download Torque on an Android device. There is an extra step to install oil temp plug-in.
I have monitored temps NA on a track and doing lots of pulls while FI both with and without an oil cooler.
With my setup I made the following observations:
-While NA on the time attack track, it took maybe 5 mins to reach dangerous temp. 125 C/230 F is where most 0W30 thins out.
-FI with oil cooler can go all day no oil temp issues
-FI without oil cooler gerts up to 120 C after several pulls on my drive home from work.
-Coolant has never gotten far above normal range ever.

Conclusion- Oil cooler definitely advisable, but not ESSENTIAL for daily driver. Upgraded radiator not needed. If your hot days are that bad, get a lower temp thermostat. Not Mishimoto, supposedly they are having breakage issues.Catch can highly variable. I collect a few drops every few thousand miles, literally.
Do use thicker oil especially if no oil cooler. I don't recommend the oil warmer/light cooler from Subaru EJ and FA20T engines. It is probably mostly there to heat up the oil quicker for the turbo. Not much cooling effect vs conventional air/liquid heat exchanger.


Awesome thanks man. Will invest in an oil cooler. This will be more a light daily driver main weekend car but not too much track time yet.


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menikmati 12-03-2016 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by johl (Post 2807981)
May as well look at the Jackson racing dual radiator and oil cooler

Heat soak and IAT are increased without air ducting modifications.

TofuJoe 12-03-2016 05:24 PM
@Xxyion - Neal advised against the Jackson radiator/oil cooler due to the way the lines are routed. The Perrin oil cooler works fine - that's what was on the car that got an Edelbrock when I was at the shop yesterday.

For iOS you can use DashCommand to monitor temps. It's $10 plus another $10 for the 86 specific PIDs. You'll need a wi-fi dongle instead of Bluetooth. Be careful with the OBD2 port - my cheap wi-fi dongle bent the pins after repeated use. I recommend getting an OBD2 extension cable and plugging the dongle into that. Can post some Amazon links for you later. Happy to demo the app for you at the shop or a local meet sometime.

Amputechture 12-03-2016 05:59 PM
I have one of the OEM liquid coolers. The highest I've seen it reach is 109C, it usually stays around 90C with normal driving. I have noticed it does not do exceptionally well at keeping peak temps down, but recovery/decrease times are much better than without it. The fact that you can get up to operating temp so quick is worth it's price tag alone imo.

Does the Edelbrock kit come with a map sensor? If not, you'll definitely need that.

Xxyion 12-03-2016 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TofuJoe (Post 2808068)
@Xxyion - Neal advised against the Jackson radiator/oil cooler due to the way the lines are routed. The Perrin oil cooler works fine - that's what was on the car that got an Edelbrock when I was at the shop yesterday.

For iOS you can use DashCommand to monitor temps. It's $10 plus another $10 for the 86 specific PIDs. You'll need a wi-fi dongle instead of Bluetooth. Be careful with the OBD2 port - my cheap wi-fi dongle bent the pins after repeated use. I recommend getting an OBD2 extension cable and plugging the dongle into that. Can post some Amazon links for you later. Happy to demo the app for you at the shop or a local meet sometime.


Thanks so much man! Yeah I was already looking at the Perrin Oil Cooler as it was recommended to me from a few friends. I'll definetly have to check out that app you suggested. I'm curious if I can actually use my Dashlinq head unit and side load an android app and connect via Bluetooth. It would keep the interior a lot cleaner


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TofuJoe 12-03-2016 06:38 PM
There are definitely some people using the Torque app on Android head units. Seems like a really clean setup.

CSG Mike 12-03-2016 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2807993)
Unless you are a hardcore racer, radiator is fine. If you are driving in 85 degree weather every day and want to check oil temp and coolant temp, get an ELM 327 BT OBD2 dongle for $20 on Amazon, then download Torque on an Android device. There is an extra step to install oil temp plug-in.
I have monitored temps NA on a track and doing lots of pulls while FI both with and without an oil cooler.
With my setup I made the following observations:
-While NA on the time attack track, it took maybe 5 mins to reach dangerous temp. 125 C/230 F is where most 0W30 thins out.
-FI with oil cooler can go all day no oil temp issues
-FI without oil cooler gerts up to 120 C after several pulls on my drive home from work.
-Coolant has never gotten far above normal range ever.

Conclusion- Oil cooler definitely advisable, but not ESSENTIAL for daily driver. Upgraded radiator not needed. If your hot days are that bad, get a lower temp thermostat. Not Mishimoto, supposedly they are having breakage issues.Catch can highly variable. I collect a few drops every few thousand miles, literally.
Do use thicker oil especially if no oil cooler. I don't recommend the oil warmer/light cooler from Subaru EJ and FA20T engines. It is probably mostly there to heat up the oil quicker for the turbo. Not much cooling effect vs conventional air/liquid heat exchanger.
Oil cooler w/ 0W20 will have MPG benefits on a daily driver, compared to xW30 without oil cooler.

CSG Mike 12-03-2016 07:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputechture (Post 2808077)
I have one of the OEM liquid coolers. The highest I've seen it reach is 109C, it usually stays around 90C with normal driving. I have noticed it does not do exceptionally well at keeping peak temps down, but recovery/decrease times are much better than without it. The fact that you can get up to operating temp so quick is worth it's price tag alone imo.

Does the Edelbrock kit come with a map sensor? If not, you'll definitely need that.
A TMAP is included with the Edelbrock kit. It's unlikely that anyone will outgrow it :)

enivid 12-03-2016 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xxyion (Post 2807732)
What can i expect?
Your engine to blow up.


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menikmati 12-03-2016 11:18 PM
2.5 bar Bosch.

Kodename47 12-04-2016 04:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputechture (Post 2808077)
Does the Edelbrock kit come with a map sensor? If not, you'll definitely need that.
it does, but it's utter rubbish that you need one if it didn't. It's not a turbo.... You can't overboost. In fact, why do you think the D-Box makes such a difference? You wouldn't have that issue with the OEM MAP sensor, nor a TMAP with the same range.

Amputechture 12-04-2016 03:33 PM
D-Box? Can't say I'm familiar with this 'd-box' you speak of. Boost amount can vary by atmospheric pressure and weather dictating density. Even with a set amount of boost per the pulley...I would not want to risk my ecu not being able to properly correct fueling/timing because I didn't want to spend 90 bucks on a MAP sensor.

CSG Mike 12-04-2016 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2808220)
it does, but it's utter rubbish that you need one if it didn't. It's not a turbo.... You can't overboost. In fact, why do you think the D-Box makes such a difference? You wouldn't have that issue with the OEM MAP sensor, nor a TMAP with the same range.
Because of the TMAP's location.

paiceyfan 12-04-2016 08:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2807769)
Oil cooler if you track it or illegally drive as if you were tracking it. Not a necessity for a daily driver as much unless you do one pull after the other repeatedly.
Catch can also not a necessity unless tracking. It might collect a few drops of oil here and there.
Next oil change switch to thicker 5W30 for keeping viscosity at higher temps.
If you haven't already upgraded your tires now you will be thinking very seriously about it while spinning in 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
Xxyion, couldn't help but notice you list your colour as WRP. World Rally Poo?
Like this guy...realistic, common sense answers...


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